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Westjet In Turbulence Incident  
User currently offlineLxlgu From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3587 times:

According to News 24
A Westjet aircraft flying from Calgary to Halifax Thursday was hit by servere turbulence
At least 8 paxs were injured
The captain had asked paxs to buckle up but some did not were thrown to the ceiling and some
fell from their seats
A nurse on board provided first aid to the injured whom most escaped serious injuries but two pax
were taken off by stretcher in Halifax

Cheers!
Tony

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User currently offlineUAEflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1084 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

I am one of those who are very scared from turbulence, although i fly alot, but i couldn't stop hearing my heart beating (BP high) until i dis-board the aircraft

User currently offlinePacifica From Canada, joined May 2006, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3566 times:

Not to be mean but this really is sort of karma...Every flight I'm on there are always a select few who I notice don't put their seatbelts on when the captain announces to do so for whatever reason. Now if all of these people were injured due to their own ignorance, I have no sympathy (sounds harsh eh?) but if they got hurt because it wasn't there own fault (maybe they were in the washroom already, maybe they didn't hear the announcement) then that really is unfortunate as turbulence like this isn't all that common.

User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3563 times:

That is why cabin crew always ask their pax to buckle up especially when the seat belt is sign. What some pax talk back to cabin crew is, " Is it bumpy,huh?!" They jump a little up and down as they talk back just pretending it is really bumpy. Afterall it is pax's choice whether they want to buckle up or not. Just like some on the street still choose to J walk without watching the traffic. Your choice, your risk.

R Panda


User currently offlineRed Panda From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2000, 1521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

Quoting Pacifica (Reply 2):
Now if all of these people were injured due to their own ignorance, I have no sympathy

Pacifica, I am totally with you.

R Panda


User currently offlineManu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 406 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

Injury count is 9 according to the CBC.

Main CBC story


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5471 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

Add to that the dozens of people who unbuckle as soon as the wheels touch down to grab their carryon and scramble to the front, bumping passengers the whole time, just to be first in line.

I think is should be standard to snap the brakes on hard at least one while taxiing to the gate...just to test them...



What the...?
User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3309 times:
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Quoting Red Panda (Reply 3):
Your choice, your risk.

Not exactly - you fall off the ceiling during severe turbulence where are you going to land? Quite possibly on the guy next to you. So no, it's actually for EVERYBODY'S sake, not just your own personal choice to buckle up or not.



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User currently offlineAvroArrow From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 1045 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3183 times:

I guess the people can't have been injured all that badly since the CBC article says they hit turbulence north of Sudbury yet they continued to Halifax and didn't divert. I guess having a nurse on board who helped out made it an easier decision for the crew.


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User currently offlineJimbobjoe From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

Does anyone know at what altitude this occurred? Would this have been with a 300 series or an NG series aircraft?

User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25346 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2852 times:

Quoting Jimbobjoe (Reply 9):
Does anyone know at what altitude this occurred? Would this have been with a 300 series or an NG series aircraft?

39,000 ft. according to news reports. All WestJet 737s are NGs. They operate the 600, 700 and 800.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2839 times:

I hope they sue, and get nothing. Perhaps booted off the court with Westjet's legal bills.


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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2825 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 7):
Not exactly - you fall off the ceiling during severe turbulence where are you going to land? Quite possibly on the guy next to you. So no, it's actually for EVERYBODY'S sake, not just your own personal choice to buckle up or not.

Good point, however that should probably be settled between the injured/victim pax and the rule-offender pax, not Westjet. Ultimately Westjet can't force someone to buckle up*, short of pulling a gun (which wouldn't be right).

*Even enforcing it would be difficult. Certainly exposes their own employees.

[Edited 2007-09-07 22:00:55]


"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineBoeingluvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2630 times:

Quoting Pacifica (Reply 2):
Not to be mean but this really is sort of karma...Every flight I'm on there are always a select few who I notice don't put their seatbelts on when the captain announces to do so for whatever reason. Now if all of these people were injured due to their own ignorance, I have no sympathy (sounds harsh eh?) but if they got hurt because it wasn't there own fault (maybe they were in the washroom already, maybe they didn't hear the announcement) then that really is unfortunate as turbulence like this isn't all that common.

Agreed.


User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1985 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2609 times:

Quoting Pacifica (Reply 2):
Not to be mean but this really is sort of karma...Every flight I'm on there are always a select few who I notice don't put their seatbelts on when the captain announces to do so for whatever reason. Now if all of these people were injured due to their own ignorance, I have no sympathy (sounds harsh eh?) but if they got hurt because it wasn't there own fault (maybe they were in the washroom already, maybe they didn't hear the announcement) then that really is unfortunate as turbulence like this isn't all that common.

I dont think anyone here things your mean, I fully support what you said. Perhaps next time they will learn from their mistakes. If they sue (not hoping they do) I also agree that they should also have to pay WS's legal fees and this is coming from someone who hates WS :p.



Keep the shinny side up!
User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2613 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

Well...I buckle up before pushback and unbuckle once we stop at the gate. Only exceptions being (very seldom) if I have to use the can. I guess there is a reason to do so.
OTOH I'd like to be on this flight. Call me crazy, but I love turbulence.


User currently offlineBoeingluvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

If they sue... How is turbulance WS's fault? It's not like a fault with the aircraft that caused injury or on the airlines policies in flight could warrant it... perhaps. But the thing is they advised of turbulance, the captain put the seat belt sign on light on and the fact that they didn't means that as they were given sufficient and fair warning and advised of what to do for safety reasons by the crew, it is their own ignorance for the injury. I could see them right now in a court gettin questioned... "so you claim you banged your head on the overhead compartment because of turbulance, yet your seat belt was done up?" Like how would someone justify sueing them. It's retardedness and it's people trying to get something for nothing from an airline... I can't stand retards... the worlds full of em.

User currently offlineSFO777200LR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 11):
PPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 3883 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted Fri Sep 7 2007 12:55:50 your local time (6 hours 44 minutes 34 secs ago) and read 423 times:


I hope they sue, and get nothing. Perhaps booted off the court with Westjet's legal bills.

Couldn't have said it better myself!


User currently offlineJimbobjoe From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

Quoting Boeingluvr (Reply 16):
How is turbulance WS's fault?

Severe forms are often but not always avoidable. A 300 meter altitude change is pretty intense. (I'm estimating 30 meters/sec for about 10 seconds. Is that reasonable?) Naturally there will be some sorta investigation, as indicated in the article, to see if there was something that the pilots failed to do.

Having said that, all of the successful turbulence suits I've heard of had to do with psychological trauma. (The fact is, moderate to severe turbulence is traumatic for a wide variety of individuals, it's "reasonably" avoidable and it's not common enough to legitimately say it's a part and parcel of the flying experience.)


User currently offlineBoeingluvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

Yes that is true. Turbulance however, especially that of unforecasted turbulance in this incident is at no fauilt to WS. I can understand if it was forecasted or had they known and taken earlier precautions then it is understandable. An act of nature is simply that. Bad winds or weather is not the fault of the airline.

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