GWYIRE From Ireland, joined Sep 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8108 times:
DL 102/123 today completed in 757 ETOPS with new Livery. It just arrived back in JFK from SNN This is the first of several that will be starting over the next few months. Nice also to see the new livery in Ireland
ManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1192 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7976 times:
This is great. I love flying the 757 transatlantic. I wish DL would bring them to MAN.
Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4590 posts, RR: 26 Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7921 times:
DL will be flying the 752 on JFK-MAN starting Jan 7 2008. Schedules are already loaded. JFK-MAN will be the first one with the reconfigured planes, i.e., new Recaro Business seats, AVOD at all seats, and the new slimline Y seats.
JFK-FRA on the reconfigured 752 will start on March 1, while JFK-EDI starts May 1. So far those are the ones that have been loaded.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7818 times:
Quoting Panamair (Reply 4): DL will be flying the 752 on JFK-MAN starting Jan 7 2008. Schedules are already loaded. JFK-MAN will be the first one with the reconfigured planes, i.e., new Recaro Business seats, AVOD at all seats, and the new slimline Y seats.
JFK-FRA on the reconfigured 752 will start on March 1, while JFK-EDI starts May 1. So far those are the ones that have been loaded.
Thanks for the info......it was said that DL would right-size several JFK-Europe routes; I wonder if JFK-AMS and JFK-BRU will also be added to this list as the 763ER is too much capacity for DL on these routes. Its interesting to watch DL adjust its schedules, and a good business move.
JFK-FRA surprised me; I heard that its not a great performer for DL, but I thought that DL could maintain the larger airplane in this key market. DL has a very good reputation and a large following in Germany, any info?
DTWAGENT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1283 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7630 times:
I would not mind it either if it is not like USAirways 752's. They are down right crappy. I would not fly with them again over the pond.
DALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2366 posts, RR: 15 Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 7520 times:
ManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1192 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7429 times:
Quoting Panamair (Reply 4): DL will be flying the 752 on JFK-MAN starting Jan 7 2008. Schedules are already loaded. JFK-MAN will be the first one with the reconfigured planes, i.e., new Recaro Business seats, AVOD at all seats, and the new slimline Y seats.
Wow, dreams do come true.
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Papatango From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 500 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7320 times:
What other cities do you see getting the 757 trans atlantic, maybe BOS-MXP would be a canidate.
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7296 times:
Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 5):
You are one of very few people that love the 752 across the pond!
Regardless as to how many times you hear the contrary from people/kiddies who probably cross the oceans once every 10yrs, on an FFP redemption at that--- there are MANY pax who enjoy taking the 752 transoceanically due to having less others to contend with at (dis)embarkation, customs, and baggage claim...... and even more so who have absolutely no idea/couldn't care less what type of airplane they're on; so long as it has wings, engines, and completes the trip in one piece at a decent price.
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7156 times:
The story of DL's deployment of 757s from JFK to Europe is more about freeing up 767s to fly more routes..... they clearly have a long list of markets where there is little or no competition and where they will do well. Africa and the Middle East are doing very well for DL which should paint a picture of what's next.
B4REAL From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2595 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7091 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 12): The story of DL's deployment of 757s from JFK to Europe is more about freeing up 767s to fly more routes.....
Cactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2380 posts, RR: 34 Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6985 times:
Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 7): I would not mind it either if it is not like USAirways 752's. They are down right crappy. I would not fly with them again over the pond
as you've said countless times since your trip....
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 50 Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5382 times:
Quoting Papatango (Reply 10): What other cities do you see getting the 757 trans atlantic,
IMHO, besides the 4 already known (JFK-EDI/SNN/MAN/FRA), I'd add JFK-AMS/BRU/LYS/ARN/CPH/LIS for a total of 10 flights. Of course I would also hope for JFK-HAM, but I don't really give that flight much of a chance...
PYP757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 148 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5339 times:
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 11):
Regardless as to how many times you hear the contrary from people/kiddies who probably cross the oceans once every 10yrs, on an FFP redemption at that--- there are MANY pax who enjoy taking the 752 transoceanically due to having less others to contend with at (dis)embarkation, customs, and baggage claim...... and even more so who have absolutely no idea/couldn't care less what type of airplane they're on; so long as it has wings, engines, and completes the trip in one piece at a decent price.
I have to disagree with you. With just one additional seat per row, the 767 offers 2 aisles (hence faster service and more ease for passengers to move around the cabin) and seats that are never more than one seat away from an aisle. And the 50 or so additional passengers will not make such a huge difference in terms of boarding/disembarkation, or baggage claim. I love the 757 (hence my username!), but I would rather choose a widebody on a long transatlantic flight.
Seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5300 times:
Quoting PYP757 (Reply 17): I love the 757 (hence my username!), but I would rather choose a widebody on a long transatlantic flight.
Are 757 TATL flights really that different from other 757 service? No one bats an eye at flying long US transcons on 757s -- they are the most common aircraft on those flights. Would people who routinely fly six and a half hours on a 757 really go far out of their way, make an extra stop, and add hours to their trip just to avoid flying eight hours on a 757? I know I wouldn't.
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DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 50 Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5095 times:
Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 18): Would people who routinely fly six and a half hours on a 757 really go far out of their way, make an extra stop, and add hours to their trip just to avoid flying eight hours on a 757?
Probably only a.nutters that could actually tell the difference between a 757 and a 767 .
PYP757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 148 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5061 times:
Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 18): Would people who routinely fly six and a half hours on a 757 really go far out of their way, make an extra stop, and add hours to their trip just to avoid flying eight hours on a 757? I know I wouldn't.
No, I would not got that far out of my way to avoid going on a 757 to Europe. But if I have the choice between two airlines, with very similar prices, offering a 757 vs a 767/777 on the same direct route, I know which one I would choose. Unlike what Concordeboy is saying, I am actually one of many many travellers for whom a plane is more than just wings and engines, and who care what kind of plane they are going to travel in before booking a flight.
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5983 posts, RR: 9 Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5020 times:
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 11): Regardless as to how many times you hear the contrary from people/kiddies who probably cross the oceans once every 10yrs, on an FFP redemption at that--- there are MANY pax who enjoy taking the 752 transoceanically due to having less others to contend with at (dis)embarkation, customs, and baggage claim...... and even more so who have absolutely no idea/couldn't care less what type of airplane they're on; so long as it has wings, engines, and completes the trip in one piece at a decent price.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4930 times:
Quoting PYP757 (Reply 17): but I would rather choose a widebody on a long transatlantic flight.
And this is the key point......in most cases, its not a choice: its either fly nonstop across the Atlantic to your destination on a 752 or take an additional connection in order to fly with a widebody. Passengers overwhelmingly prefer nonstop flights when available, and have no problem with flying transatlantic on the 752.
Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6): JFK-FRA surprised me; I heard that its not a great performer for DL, but I thought that DL could maintain the larger airplane in this key market. DL has a very good reputation and a large following in Germany, any info?
Quoting PA101 (Reply 22): Surprises me as well to see JFK-FRA to change to a 752... however, seems to be an upgrade in comfort (AVOD, new seats).
We agree, it is odd that JFK-FRA will be one of the first routes to change over to a 752.
Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 11): Regardless as to how many times you hear the contrary from people/kiddies who probably cross the oceans once every 10yrs, on an FFP redemption at that--- there are MANY pax who enjoy taking the 752 transoceanically due to having less others to contend with at (dis)embarkation, customs, and baggage claim...... and even more so who have absolutely no idea/couldn't care less what type of airplane they're on; so long as it has wings, engines, and completes the trip in one piece at a decent price.
Thank you, this sums up the entire 757 transatlantic debate.
747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1165 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4860 times:
How did I guess, this has turned into yet another thread of whining about transatlantic 757's... definitely on the way to surpassing NW DC-9's on a.net.
I'm pretty sure DL will use the 757 on JFK-BRU, JFK-DUB, and maybe even JFK-FRA and JFK-AMS (in addition to the aformentioned JFK-SNN, MAN, and EDI). I always thought JFK-FRA and AMS had good enough performance to warrant a 767, but I guess I'm wrong. The likely problem is that the routes are relying too much on O&D traffic, despite the huge NYC O&D market. Does anyone know well is DL actually doing with their transatlantic operation from JFK in terms of profitability and load factors?
25 PYP757: But this kind of debate will eventually subside: with the 757 not in production anymore, it cannot be a long term solution for transoceanic travel. S
26 PA101: I always thought JFK-FRA and AMS had good enough performance to warrant a 767, but I guess I'm wrong. The likely problem is that the routes are relyin
27 FoxBravo: I disagree. I predict that market fragmentation will continue, and that the 737 and A320 replacement families will include long-range versions with t
28 SLCUT2777: I'll second Dutchjet since I think this sums up the use of 752s on Trans-Atlantic routes. Despite what some people think, this isn't putting a TATL v
29 UN_B732: Many here (including myself) predicted JFK-FRA and JFK-AMS getting the 75. Now that there's no BOM feed on the FRA route, it can barely support a 75,
30 Boeing743: I have notice that more 757 are doing transatlantic flights now. ie: continental, NW and AA. Now DL are doing it.
31 PA101: Thanks for the info - any ideas about the reason for that? I assume, with "9s in all buckets", you are talking about booking availability in differen
32 AA767400: I just flew on one of the first former TW/AA 757s and it was a weird experience being on a plane that looks just like it did at AA except the winglets
33 WorldTraveler: once again, no US carrier other than UA does well to Germany other than from its main hubs. Even CO's Germany routes do not do as well from EWR as do
34 Deltasju777: I know US and CO do as well. Does this mean that UA is the only one to exclusively fly widebodies across the pond now that DL has started with 757s.
35 UN_B732: Yeah, I mean fare buckets having all 9s. The 763 on FRA was always nice and empty. -A
36 Commavia: Well, according to the latest update of the SkyTeam timetable, Delta's JFK-FRA flight is, indeed, showing operated by a 757 from 1 March 2008: DL106 J
37 PA101: Agreed! But this still leaves the "why" unanswered. E.g., LH makes lots of money on most of their US-routes, even to secondary airports such as PDX.
38 28thguy: Given the strength of Lufthansa as the incumbent flag carrier (as compared with Alitalia or Iberia, for example) and Delta's lack of an alliance part
39 PA101: Given the strength of Lufthansa as the incumbent flag carrier (as compared with Alitalia or Iberia, for example) and Delta's lack of an alliance partn
41 Panamair: JFK-AMS has not been switched..yet. JFK-AMS has been doing better than JFK-FRA in terms of loads and the recent KL codeshares beyond AMS have helped;
42 PA101: Again, EWR-FRA is CO's only USA-FRA route (and CO has never been dying to start a FRA-IAH or FRA-CLE flight, which is quite telling) whereas DL flows
43 OOer: Expect JFK to Lisbon and Casablanca to be annouced soon.
44 ConcordeBoy: Perhaps, but the true question is whether you (and/or your employer) is willing and able to fork over the $100s/$1000s that may be required to sustai
45 Avianca: well, even if the JFK-FRA was never a top-performer since they changed the India-conection to CDG. It is a big surprise the change due the simple rea
46 Tsnamm: and also size wise...large cosolidations and heavyweight freight is unable to be handled by narrow body a/c...if they downsize the a/c the freight wi
47 Avianca: yes, really a shame, the payload for cargo on the 757 on the route will be nearly 0 kgs....
48 Ikramerica: I have a friend like this. world traveler, just left for SYD last night, 3 days later will go to London, then on to NYC, then back here to LAX. But h
49 Alitalia744: Among a few others that are pretty much locked in.
50 Papatango: Any hints on new cities and time frame for announcement?
51 Evan767: I care less about the cities I'd actually just like to know when they will be announced. A time frame would be nice.
52 Alitalia744: It's really TBD as of right now, according to a few sources on here and off of here, it was originally supposed to be around the end of August but wa
53 Evan767: Do you really think Delta will use all 18 aircraft for 18 new routes next year? Will the announcement really be that big? 18 new aircraft could fly r
54 Alitalia744: I don't think there will be 18 new routes announced, but I do believe the announcement will be big. Some routes will require 2 a/c to be able to comp
55 Apodino: Wow, I was in SNN flying back to PHL on US and I saw the DL 757. I didn't realize that was their first ever 757 ETOPS flight. I think I may even have
56 Positiverate: Just a point on TATL 757's, if it were any other airline then DL (i.e. CO) they would be hailed as continuing to be innovative, etc etc etc. Because i
57 Alitalia744: We're definitely hearing the same things
63 Positiverate: That has nothing to do with it. The point remains: if it were anyone other then DL, they would be hailed as bein innovative. On these boards, there i
64 Bobnwa: Do you think Delta should announce them as soon as possible and give the competition a heads up? Why is an early announcement so important to you, if
65 Evan767: I don't know, calm down... sheesh.. What an unexpected insult.
66 B752OS: That is an interesting point given the fact that AZ is moving the eyar round daily BOS-MXP flight to BOS-FCO. I think DL could establish a small, Eur
67 Atlantaflyboy: Can a 763ER make JFK-KWI? Would think that would be a well performing route. Would also like to see CAI come back as well
68 ConcordeBoy: even with winglets, that'd be doubtful. The route is far longer than AZ's 763ER SFO-MXP, which IIRC, used to take something along the lines of an 11t
70 Avianca: well not so far longer... only 400mi. I think with putting an embargo for cargo (on most flights) the flight could work. Otherwise cargo contracts (U
71 Bobnwa: I consider 400mi which is about one more hour of flying quite a bit farther. If SFO_MXP takes an 11ton hit, then another 400mi would be a significant
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