Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7089 posts, RR: 4 Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3655 times:
Looking at both aircraft and the role both of them played for the new beginning of civil aviation in Germany I was wondering how alike the aircraft look except for the cockpit windows. Is the Il 14 the Soviet copy of the Convair ?
Are there any of these classic aircraft still flying (I mean no Convair 580s but piston engines only).
Would be great to see these two aircraft still flying in classic airliner colors of the 1950s.......
Two different aircraft for two different airlines in two different political systems that look very alike:
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3566 times:
In my point of view the Convair family CV240/340/440 was the truly sucessor of the Douglas C-47 with a total civil component. we cannot forget that just after the WWII the air travelling got a big boost mainly because there were lot's of military C-47's and also C-54's. If in one way many airlines opted to buy these planes at very cheap prices, also soon they realized that these airplanes had some limitations, that's when we see Convair coming out with a brand new product that really gave much better quality to the air travelling afterwards. In the case of the C-54, Douglas still tried to make a civilized version has the DC-4-1009 but soon it was competing with the much more capable L049, that's when Douglas came almost right away with the DC-6 ( actually when the last DC-4-1009 were produced the DC-6 was starting production too...).
Regarding the IL14, I think that plane also wanted to give some quality in air travelling in the Iron Curtain, but I also think even if both airplanes look the same, the Convair was much better and had also much better performance than the IL-14 to such an extend that LOT for example got 2nd. hand CV240's to use them in their network.
Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3462 times:
Quoting CV990 (Reply 2): In my point of view the Convair family CV240/340/440 was the truly sucessor of the Douglas C-47 with a total civil component
I think so too.
Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 1): CV-240...14 airplanes, with 7 flyable.
CV-340...59 airplanes, with 20 flyable.
CV-440...42 airplanes, with 31 flyable.
That is not too bad maybe the Flying Bulls or Lufthansa could restore one of these for flights within Europe.
Quoting CV990 (Reply 2): Regarding the IL14, I think that plane also wanted to give some quality in air travelling in the Iron Curtain, but I also think even if both airplanes look the same, the Convair was much better and had also much better performance than the IL-14 to such an extend that LOT for example got 2nd. hand CV240's to use them in their network.
Thanks for the information neber heard of LOT using Convairs and it amazes me that it were CV240 and not CV340 which are more superior.
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3414 times:
Columba, I think LOT was a some kind of "case study" in the Iron curtain regarding their fleet...don't forget that they also used the Vickers Viscount!!! Regarding the CV240, LOT got 5 CV240's ( SP-LPA, LPB, LPC, LPD and LPE ) and here is their stories:
SP-LPA - Ex: OO-AWP, delivered in 19 March 1949, bought by LOT in 7 October 1957, sold in 28 November 1965
SP-LPB - Ex: OO-AWR, delivered in 25 March 1949, bought by LOT in 2 October 1957, crashed 11 April 1958
SP-LPC - Ex: OO-AWS, delivered in 30 March 1949, bought by LOT in 14 October 1957, sold in 7 January 1966
SP-LPD - Ex: EP-ADY, delivered in 25 June 1948, bought by LOT in May 1959, sold in 15 November 1965
SP-LPE - Ex: PH-CEK, delivered in 24 February 1949, bought by LOT in 30 May 1959, sold in 17 January 1968
Some interesting facts about LOT CV240's, 3 of them were sold from SABENA to LOT, one of them crashed ( SP-LPB) so I think SP-LPD was bought to replace the previous one, this was production number Nr. 9, one of the first CV240's produced. Finally, SP-LPE was originally a KLM CV240, PH-TEK.
Regarding the fact that LOT got the CV240 and lot the latter versions, well that's understandable...I guess Soviet Union didn't like the fact that LOT would go and sign an order for the CV340 or CV440....so the best option was to try to find in the market an airline that was ready to replace them and LOT could get the old ones...SABENA ordered the CV440 so they didn't need the CV240's...so nothing better than sell them to an airline willing to accept them...and LOT did it!
Another airline from the Iron Curtain that operated a western airliner was CSA, they had the Bristol Britannia used for a time, leased from CUBANA de Aviation, the registrations were OK-MBA ( c/number 13432 ) and OK-MBB ( c/number 13515 ). Here under you have a CUBANA Britannia CU-T671 photo....it's a pitty there's no CSA pictures of Britannias here.