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West Coast Low Cost To The Caribbean, Potential?  
User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9689 posts, RR: 11
Posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4536 times:

Hi,

Due to the discussion in this forum about Central American aviation, I was talking about the possibility of F9 to the Caribbean. I have read an article about F9 which mentions the airline is looking at possibilities for expansion in the Caribbean after their first steps outside the U.S. to Mexico which are performing well apparently.

So my question is if we can see a new untapped market for low cost airlines to the Caribbean. As low cost airlines are known to operate to destinations which are not served by mainline airlines (secondary airports), can we see F9 or any other low cost airline start flights to CUR from the West Coast or even from Central U.S.?

I can see potential in connections from the Western Coast to the Caribbean as it is an untapped market and it is possible to certain Caribbean islands when looking at the distance, albeit not all Caribbean island maybe. Can a 737NG or A319/320 fly DEN-POS nonstop for example?

A388

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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7368 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4511 times:

3,338M Denver to Port of Spain equals 2,938NM plus total reserve of 400NM = 3,338NM say 3,350NM

Range at MTOW, (all from Airlife)

B737-600 3,717NM
B737-700 3,425NM
B737-800 2,930 NM


Range with 124 passengers + domestic reserves + 200NM diversion*
Range with 150 passengers + domestic reserves + 200 NM diversion+
Range with 185 passengers + domestic reserves + 200 NM diversion@

A319* 3,697 NM
A320+2,950 NM
A321@2,707 NM

Based on these figures B737-600 fine, B737-700 rather close, and prob payload issues, B737-800 no way.
A319 fine, A320 very close, (payload issues), A321 no way.

David


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4501 times:

I beleive that there is a good chance for an airline to start a low cost service to the Carib, however there are a lot of desicions it would have to make.
Firstly possible aircraft. Most carib people like to always take loads of stuff and bring back tons as well!! You would need an aircraft that has plenty of payload and range so i think you would definately need to have the A320 or 738 as i think the 319 and 737-7 are maybe just too small for whats needed.
Also then with baggage allowances needing to be discussed you would then have to think of allowances or price per bag?? A lot of carib people want cheap fares but also want a good baggage allowance (I know here at KX it is very good for amount of bags you can have).
Then there is the service onboard that has to be addressed. A lot of carib airlines offer a good service (free beverages and snacks). You want to at least probably have a free soft drinks beverage and possibly a snack but again its all about prices for your tickets.
I do beleive tho the possibility of a ryanair/easyjet (basically no very cheap tickets but everything else at a price) operating from FLL (or further up the coast) flying to all the main carib destinations (MBJ, BGI, SJU, GCM, ANU, SXM, SDQ, AUA) with all the big destiations receiving at least a daily flight (and other destinations with a 4-5x weekly service) could work very well.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9689 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4471 times:

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 2):
Firstly possible aircraft. Most carib people like to always take loads of stuff and bring back tons as well!! You would need an aircraft that has plenty of payload and range so i think you would definately need to have the A320 or 738 as i think the 319 and 737-7 are maybe just too small for whats needed.

Okay, my thread was more looking at traffic originating from the U.S. West Coast itself. I meant what the possibilities for a tourist point of view (U.S. Citizens in the Western Coast). I can imagine people from the Western Coast usually go to Mexico for their holidays or Hawaii. As these holiday destinations have become ordinary I think there is a very nice untapped market for the Caribbean which up until now has only been more popular in the Eastern Coast.

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 2):
I do beleive tho the possibility of a ryanair/easyjet (basically no very cheap tickets but everything else at a price) operating from FLL (or further up the coast) flying to all the main carib destinations (MBJ, BGI, SJU, GCM, ANU, SXM, SDQ, AUA) with all the big destiations receiving at least a daily flight (and other destinations with a 4-5x weekly service) could work very well.

While I can agree with you on these more popular Caribbean destinations, I remember a discussion here in the forum about Americans looking for new places to explore for their holidays hence the Netherlands Antilles (Mainly CUR and BON) would be more attractive than the "usual" Caribbean destinations so to speak. This is just one of the examples.

A388


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9689 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4443 times:

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 2):
I do beleive tho the possibility of a ryanair/easyjet (basically no very cheap tickets but everything else at a price) operating from FLL (or further up the coast) flying to all the main carib destinations (MBJ, BGI, SJU, GCM, ANU, SXM, SDQ, AUA) with all the big destiations receiving at least a daily flight (and other destinations with a 4-5x weekly service) could work very well.

Also, isn't Spirit Airlines this airline???  Wink

A388


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4420 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 4):
Also, isn't Spirit Airlines this airline

Yes you may be right about spirit being 'low cost' but its defiately not like your ryanair/easyjet low cost with fares starting at 20p!!


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4396 times:

right and soo sorry i just realised im on the wrong coast... dislexia strikes me again!! ok ignore everything i have just said!!!

Soo west coast.
Well that is a long way to travel to reach the caribbean from this side of the US but we do get people coming across to see us in GCM. Mostly (from people i have talked to from the W.C.) they come for our diving and beaches and some of them, say that hawaii is a lot easier for them to travel to and from (and also being part of the USA, no passports) also with a lot more choice for them to Hawaii, the fares are a lot cheaper.
Mostly we find also that tourists only like to come fro 4-5 nights and dont like the too long a hols down here (as its quite expensive) so to come from west coast for short times is quite a long journey and means that people are not willing to go that far just for a short break.
To be viable you would have to find americans more willing to spend longer down on the islands in the carib and also then more money on hotels, food, vacationy stuff!!
So your low cost airline......
Americans like service (unlike the easyjet/ryanair) so a low cost airline may not be the best option for these routes. However an airline like VA or B6 could possibly make it worth while!
hope that is more along the lines you may be looking at


User currently offlineAlbird87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4395 times:

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 6):
However an airline like VA or B6 could possibly make it worth while!

I should also point out that i dont mean these actual airlines but an airline like these 2!


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

TWA started LAX-SJU before they were bought out, IIRC.

And when I arrived last Saturday night into LAX, there was an AA departure to San Juan from LAX. It wasn't listed as a through flight (via DFW or MIA), but as a non-stop. But I can't find it in their system anywhere. I was confused by it, but it did get me thinking about the possibility of that flight coming back.

But ultimately, the Carribean market is already served by AA (via MIA) and DL (via ATL) from LAX and SFO. One stop is one stop, and it doesn't matter if it's in MIA, DFW, SJU, DEN.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4371 times:

So AA runs flights 238/239 LAX-SJU on a 763 after checking it out. I wonder how it's doing. And AA claims they were the first to offer it, so maybe the LAX-SJU on TW never materialized (but I know it was announced).


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4019 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4360 times:

Quoting A388 (Thread starter):
So my question is if we can see a new untapped market for low cost airlines to the Caribbean. As low cost airlines are known to operate to destinations which are not served by mainline airlines (secondary airports), can we see F9 or any other low cost airline start flights to CUR from the West Coast or even from Central U.S.?

I can see potential in connections from the Western Coast to the Caribbean as it is an untapped market and it is possible to certain Caribbean islands when looking at the distance, albeit not all Caribbean island maybe. Can a 737NG or A319/320 fly DEN-POS nonstop for example?

The region of the U.S. you mention has been so oriented towards the Hawaiian Islands as for a tropical leisure destination, yet many fail to realize that much of the Caribbean is an hour or so of flight time closer. Take SLC for example, a DL gateway to Hawaii, yet it is over an hour closer to fly to the Bahamas, Turks & Cacao's, and even the Dominican Republic. Quite the geographical oddity that SLC would be closer to POP, PUJ, NAS etc.. than to HNL, OGG or KOA.
I think if F9 were to try Caribbean service from DEN seasonally, it would likely be to the southern tier of islands such as AUA, CUR or BON. SXM I think will continue to be served only from east coast airports; JFK, ATL, MIA, FLL.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9689 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4321 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 10):
The region of the U.S. you mention has been so oriented towards the Hawaiian Islands as for a tropical leisure destination, yet many fail to realize that much of the Caribbean is an hour or so of flight time closer. Take SLC for example, a DL gateway to Hawaii, yet it is over an hour closer to fly to the Bahamas, Turks & Cacao's, and even the Dominican Republic. Quite the geographical oddity that SLC would be closer to POP, PUJ, NAS etc.. than to HNL, OGG or KOA.

This is exactly what I mean. Currently there is no air link between the West Coast and the Caribbean. If F9 indeed wants to expand to the Caribbean, they are tapping a new market with a lot of potential as the Caribbean can be seen as a "new" alternative to Hawaii which is further away from the U.S. West Coast. When taking CUR for example, it becomes even more attractive as competition from other U.S. (main) airlines is practically non-existant. F9 can build up its own marketshare on this route if they are to offer a good package (maybe jointly with a tour operator to attract vacationers).

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 10):
I think if F9 were to try Caribbean service from DEN seasonally, it would likely be to the southern tier of islands such as AUA, CUR or BON. SXM I think will continue to be served only from east coast airports; JFK, ATL, MIA, FLL.

Your way of thinking is exactly as mine my friend. I keep saying CUR is a wonderful and very beautiful island with a rich culture and history background. It is really sad not many Americans know about CUR. I hope this will change in the coming years as we get Renaissance Hotel and Hyatt here in the coming year. A lot of local people have higher hopes now that we are getting these two giant hotel companies here. Low cost airlines are slowly expanding beyond their borders over the past year or two which can be a good sign for islands like CUR who need the extra air links for the tourism sector. Time will tell....

A388


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4311 times:

Quoting Albird87 (Reply 2):
I beleive that there is a good chance for an airline to start a low cost service to the Carib

I really have to wonder about this, being a life-long west coaster. The first time I went to St. Maarten only two people out here had even heard of it before, and that was from a cruise ship stop they had once. I'm open to correction, but I firmly believe most west coasters visit the Caribbean via cruises they board in Florida, a much different market than the timeshare owners in the east and heavy VFR traffic from east coast cities down to the islands.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24707 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4309 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 11):
Currently there is no air link between the West Coast and the Caribbean

What do you call Air Jamaica LAX-MBJ and AA LAX-SJU?

But anyhow, the market demand for West Coast to Caribbean is quite small. Why fly 6+ hours when one can be in Mexico as little as 90mins or Hawaii in 5hours. Even Tahiti is only 7 hours away.

West Coast also has virtually no ethnic or business connections with the Caribbean which would further impair the prospects for new operators.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7478 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4307 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
So AA runs flights 238/239 LAX-SJU on a 763 after checking it out. I wonder how it's doing.

Not very well. Its being downgraded to a 757 this coming spring.



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User currently onlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5334 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

I think the preferred West Coast-Caribbean method of travel is still the cruises out of Florida or San Juan (one of the reasons there is n/s LA-SJ service) -- cheaper and shorter flight then board the ship for a week or 2 and you're done.

A lot of the East Coasters who go to Hawaii do the same thing although, of course, the flight is longer.

There certainly are those on the Left Coast with homes, timeshares, or a desire to go to one island and sit there for a week or 2 in the Caribbean but I really doubt there's enough of that business to support a n/s into any one Caribbean destination, aside from Jamaica and Puerto Rico.

And certainly, as has been said many times already, the majority of West Coasters find enough variety in Mexico, Hawaii and Central America to avoid the 6-8 hours of flying to get to the Caribbean.

bb


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4263 times:

Cost, travel time and convenience are major factors when planning a vacation......especially in the US where most vacations are for a week or less in duration; thus, for people living on the west coast, a quick flight to Cabo, the Mexican Riviera resorts or even Hawaii makes much more sense than a trip to the Caribbean. And, as pointed out, West Coast residents travelling to the Caribbean have several options (such as the LAX-SJU flight) or can get to any Caribbean destination by transiting ATL, CLT and especially MIA.

For the same reason that New Yorkers dont generally head to Tahiti in big numbers, and for the same reason that Brits dont head to Hawaii in big numbers, West Coast residents dont travel in huge numbers to the Caribbean.....there are beautiful beaches and hotels in good weather destinations much closer (and much cheaper) to home.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9689 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 13):
What do you call Air Jamaica LAX-MBJ and AA LAX-SJU?

Hey Laxintl how are you doing? It's been a long time since I have spoken to you. I hope everything is well. To get back on topic, you are right, but what I meant is that no U.S. airline offers direct West Coast flights to Caribbean islands. LAX-SJU is still a domestic flight, even though it is in the Caribbean, to me it is not a true Caribbean destination such as BGI, CUR, AUA, POS, SDQ, HAV or PTP. JM does fly to LAX but than again it is not a U.S. airline and they offer very expensive ticket prices (one week return trip MBJ-LAX in September for U.S.500-700 dollars!). A low cost airline might be able to make the Caribbean attractive in that regard.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 13):
West Coast also has virtually no ethnic or business connections with the Caribbean which would further impair the prospects for new operators.

Correct but at the same time low cost airlines are looking to the Caribbean for expansion. Most air connections started out being small and have grown over the years so why not the West Coast-Caribbean connection? As I said, it can be a very nice untapped market from the West Coast as something "new" instead of the usual Mexico or Hawaii connections which is already well known. If a low cost airline can offer you cheap nonstop flights to the Caribbean from the West Coast (incl. DEN) why not go for it. It can be cheaper and less time-consuming compared to travelling through ATL or MIA. I assume the JM and AA flights are also expensive flights (?)

A388


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24707 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4199 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 17):
Hey Laxintl how are you doing?

Fine thanks. Hope all is well with you on the island.

Quoting A388 (Reply 17):
very expensive ticket prices (one week return trip MBJ-LAX in September for U.S.500-700 dollars!). A low cost airline might be able to make the Caribbean attractive in that regard.

I dont think $500-700 perse is that expensive.

Think about it, LAX-SJU is 3386miles, which is close to the distance JFK-CDG. Paying $500-700 bucks to fly to France from NY is a good deal especially in the summer.

Lets say an average of $600rt to the Caribbean from the West Coast that is only about $0.8mile each way. Not very high revenue at all. Due to the distance involved, I'd doubt a LCC would really be able to lower this much longer. Remember LCCs excel on short hops, where yields per mile are quite a bit higher.

Quoting A388 (Reply 17):
something "new"

Well over the years various tour operators have tried services from LA and SF to Caribbean locations including the Bahamas, Jamaica, Dominican Republic and Aruba without much success.

As West Coasters are not naturally inclined to even think about the Caribbean, one would really need a major add campaigns to get the name out. Considering LA and SF are some of the nations largest media markets this is not something that would come cheap, particularly when one regularly sees adds to placed like Tahiti, Australia, New Zealand, Costa Rica, Brazil, Turkey etc...



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9689 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4176 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 18):
Fine thanks. Hope all is well with you on the island

Okay thanks. All is well over here too  Smile

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 18):
Remember LCCs excel on short hops, where yields per mile are quite a bit higher.

You have a point there. However, the trend is showing low cost airlines taking the next step of going longhaul. It is something new now but more low cost airlines are looking in this direction as their next potential domain.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 18):
As West Coasters are not naturally inclined to even think about the Caribbean, one would really need a major add campaigns to get the name out.

That is what I mean  Smile

All in all, I know this is something new (attracting West Coast tourism to the Caribbean) but it is something that is not impossible. I was wondering what the potential is once one low cost airlines takes this road succesfully. If F9 in this case starts Caribbean flights from DEN and it becomes a success, will others follow just like how the low cost airlines on the East Coast have discovered the potential of the Caribbean?

A388


User currently offlineCaymanair From Cayman Islands, joined Apr 2004, 856 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4133 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 17):
and they offer very expensive ticket prices (one week return trip MBJ-LAX in September for U.S.500-700 dollars!).


thats basically the same amount or a little less than to fly GCM-JFK or KIN-JFK.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9689 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4117 times:

Quoting Caymanair (Reply 20):
thats basically the same amount or a little less than to fly GCM-JFK or KIN-JFK.

That is expensive. This is in a way related to this topic but are the low cost airlines currently flying to the Caribbean offering much lower fares compared to mainline airlines? Can low cost airlines offer low fares from the West Coast, such as F9?

A388


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4094 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 1):
Range at MTOW, (all from Airlife)
B737-600 3,717NM
B737-700 3,425NM
B737-800 2,930 NM
Range with 124 passengers + domestic reserves + 200NM diversion*
Range with 150 passengers + domestic reserves + 200 NM diversion+
Range with 185 passengers + domestic reserves + 200 NM diversion@

...these figures are wayyy off.

Particularly for the 736-- Boeing calculates far less range using only 110 pax.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7368 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4050 times:

What figures do you have.

Please note that lines 4-6 relate to A319/320/321.

David


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4019 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 11):
Currently there is no air link between the West Coast and the Caribbean. If F9 indeed wants to expand to the Caribbean, they are tapping a new market with a lot of potential as the Caribbean can be seen as a "new" alternative to Hawaii which is further away from the U.S. West Coast.

The big issue here is mindset. Most Americans (& Canadians for that matter) who reside in the Mountain and Pacific Time Zones look at Hawaii as the tropical getaway of choice since in their mind-set Hawaii is closer. Canadians from even the westernmost provinces in significant numbers stopped going to Hawaii and discovered the Dominican Republic late last decade and the first half of this decade as the USD$/CAD$ exchange rate became disproportionately prohibitive (hitting a low of .62 against the U.S. $ in 2002). This helped jump-start Caribbean tropical holidays north of the border, but it hasn't carried over to the south of the 49th crowd anywhere close to such a degree. F9 could start scheduled service to CUR, AUA or BON, but they would be better off to do it as a charter package seasonally for a few years first. Perhaps their old CEO Jeff Potter can put together such a package since he now operates a DEN based company that specializes in such tours.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16):
Cost, travel time and convenience are major factors when planning a vacation......especially in the US where most vacations are for a week or less in duration; thus, for people living on the west coast, a quick flight to Cabo, the Mexican Riviera resorts or even Hawaii makes much more sense than a trip to the Caribbean.

One thing to keep in mind is that one week is considered long for an American to go on a tropical holiday, but the Canadian mind set is for 2-2.5 weeks. For those from the U.K. it is more like 3 weeks+. Hence the popularity of Hawaii along with SJD, MZT & PVR from Pacific and Mountain Time Zone markets. But as a former girlfriend from Canada pointed out to me a couple of years ago, the D.R. resorts of POP and PUJ are closer to places such as YYC, YQR, YEG, SLC and DEN than to HNL, OGG, or KOA. Of further note Canadians can typically get 2.5 weeks in a D.R. all-inclusive resort as one week would cost them anywhere in Mexico.



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25 ReguPilot : Another interesting note is, that as I was working in Old San Juan a couple of weeks ago, I met a guy from DEN, which was vacationing in the Caribbean
26 MAH4546 : It does just fine. It switches between a 757 and a 763 during the year, with the 763 used during peak periods. I wouldn't be surprised if the 763 doe
27 2travel2know : But isn't JM going to stop the LAX flight too? Isn't its A320 a bit restricted for the LAX route? Would love to see JM MBJ-YVR one day, other than th
28 Caymanair : Sorry, but I still have to disagree. GCM/KIN/MBJ-MIA r/t will run you more than $400 CI (taxes included)...MBJ-LAX r/t is about $600 US (taxes includ
29 SLCUT2777 : CUN and CZM are the most popular greater Caribbean destinations from the western states. Also keep in mind that the short times Americans typically t
30 Post contains images A388 : Let's hope the Caribbean (in my CUR) will become more popular in the Western U.S. Coast in the coming years. It would be very nice to see a F9 A319 a
31 Laxintl : Nothing wrong with a man dreaming. However I would not take that bet to a casino. DEN-CUR is a looong trip.. 2892miles. about 400 miles further than
32 2travel2know : CUR wins hands down over many other Caribbean islands when it comes to History. That could be something which CUR should take better advantage. I'm s
33 Post contains images A388 : I think for people who are looking for exotic holiday destinations, CUR indeed is very exotic as it is the only island in the Caribbean that has its
34 SLCUT2777 : Keep in mind also that the Dominican Republic eastward to Puerto Rico and all of the Leeward Islands (SXM on down to POS) are in the Atlantic Time Zo
35 2travel2know : Don't you start a CUR vs AUA discussion. Papiamento is also AUA and BON islands language.
36 A388 : Our language originates from CUR (Portuguese-African origin). Of course AUA and BON also speak the same langauge with slightly different accents but
37 Post contains images Bloodyrascal : Us doesn't have enough aircraft with the range to serve The caribbean destinations. considering they only have the 762s and 330s and possibly the 752
38 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : Hello all. As it was posted out in the Central American thread, the situation of the Caribbean looks different in many ways. F9 is introducing service
39 Charles79 : For the summer is not, but for the "off-season" $500 is somewhat expensive. The non-stop AA flight from LAX to SJU is still hovering around $450-$530
40 SLCUT2777 : Flights to MIA and FLL even making stops (@DFW, SLC, IAH, ATL depending upon carrier) typically go up in price at this time of year mentioned for tha
41 Charles79 : I think that will be a key point for any development in new routes. I've heard numbers like 70% of the US population doesn't have a passport (which I
42 A388 : Don't you need a passport to identify yourself within the U.S.? How do you identity yourself when travelling within the U.S.? ID-card? A388
43 SLCUT2777 : At the onset of the North American Travel Initiative signed into law 2.5 years ago by the president, roughly 20% of Americans held passports. It has
44 SLCUT2777 : A state government issued drivers license or I.D. Much of the bio-metrical data that is featured in a passport could be placed into the Drivers Licen
45 SLCUT2777 : MIA, FLL & SJU are all major cruise ship ports f call. When Americans, especially from out west go to the Caribbean it usually is on a cruise ship fo
46 MoMan : TW did fly that route on a 757-232 and it stretched it. AA has been flying that route for a while. I spoke with a man the other night who regularly f
47 Caymanair : Thats debatable....I wouldn't consider any part of Mexico Caribbean - Mexico is part of North America (same way Florida isnt considered Caribean)
48 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : The east coast of the Yucatan peninsula is bordered by the Caribbean sea. Granted like Belize it is the far western Caribbean, but the entire "Atlant
49 MD90fan : Baggage allowance won't matter on such a flight, it would mainly be tourists and their luggage. No, I've seen their FLL-GCM flights go for $500. Who
50 A388 : Spirit Airlines IS that airline, even though their prices might not always be that cheap. Spirit Airlines is the main low cost airline based in FLL.
51 SLCUT2777 : They are at least offering the people of south Florida an alternative to AA and their hub down the road at MIA.
52 Post contains images A388 : Correct, that is my point exactly. A388
53 Caymanair : hmm...well i guess you have a point. however, the "caribbean basin" definition of the caribbean is definately not a caribbean idea in and of itself.
54 SLCUT2777 : Some people (mostly travel agents I suspect) even include Bermuda. But at 32 Degrees North Latitude, I think that one is a little much. As for the Yu
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