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Is It Time For Great Lakes To Re-name & Rebrand?  
User currently offlineSpencerii From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

Is it time for Great Lakes to re-name itsself, and rebrand their operation? I was in Denver today, and noticed
that their aircraft are running around in more liveries than Delta. Some don't even have their name on them.

Additonally, they don't really even service the "Great Lakes" area of the nation anymore & haven't for years.

Their website looks as htough it's produced by a beginning High School web-design class.

I noticed at several of the concessioneres at DIA, there were notes posted that said not to honor Great Lakes Vouchers.

Even though about 90% of their routes are EAS routes, I would think that their market planning staff would be looking for opportunity beyoned EAS, and actually build some revenue producing operations.

Any ideas on what they should re-name themselves....then I'll send this link to their CEO and marketing dept.

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User currently offlineSkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

They aren't the best airline out there, but do fill a gap that others don't want. I think Big Sky should buy out Great Lakes.

User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3292 times:

Great Lakes wasn't even named for the Great Lakes we all think they were (as in those lakes around Michigan). It was named after the "Great Lakes" region in Iowa, where the company was originally headquartered.

Granted ... almost no one knows that. I think if Great Lakes had any money to rebrand, they'd have done it ages ago. I seriously wonder how that company survives ... let alone as a publicly traded enterprise.

It closed on Friday at a whopping $2.70 a share. That and a winning lotto ticket could get you ownership of the company.



I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3284 times:

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 1):
They aren't the best airline out there, but do fill a gap that others don't want

Yep, they are one of only two airlines that can really, truly get you "the hell out of Dodge" City. And as someone who has been to DDC a few times, it's a very, very important airline  Wink

In other news, I heard they were breaking into Iowa and Illinois soon - however, I am not sure what cities...I think I remember Marion (IL) being on that list. Any truth to this? That means they're at least...entering a state that borders a great lake...


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3248 times:

I don't think it's really necessary, as (a) they appear to be making money, and (b) other than company employees and a.netters, nobody really notices who the commuter airline is that is flying the plane.

Some companies like SkyWest are good at making their name known, but if you pressed me for the actual airline that flew the American Eagle flight I was on DFW-FSM, I couldn't tell you.

As for the name change, many have suggested that Southwest re-brand itself as it is no longer strictly in the "southwest". I don't think it's needed.



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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3248 times:

Quoting SW733 (Reply 3):
In other news, I heard they were breaking into Iowa and Illinois soon - however, I am not sure what cities...I think I remember Marion (IL) being on that list. Any truth to this? That means they're at least...entering a state that borders a great lake...

SW733,
was told by a zk pilot that they bid on some new e.a.s. flying...didnt say where but this probably adds up ...my family and i have flown them alot between den-gjt-den....its seem like they were trying real hard to be frontiers little brother as everything was geared towards frontier at least in gjt...in den i got the feeling that they didnt want anything to do with fronier and vice versa....one thing is for sure the love between zk and ua was not nice....have a relative that used to work in ops at zk and they always advzd the rampers to drop the frontier bags before the ua bags even if the ua bags had a closer connection as they had major issue with ua and im sure it was returned in kind, as for renaming or rebranding....what name would you go with???im sure something that incorporated the rockies or lake powell,page az----(ok sarcasm there)i dealt with the owners quite a bit back in the 90s in phx when they were flying back and forth from az to iowa..regardless of what name they would take....i get the feeling that they are odd man out in denver as frontier has pretty much made up their mind on who they want(repub and lynx) and ua has no desire to get back into bed with them as they dont really care about the small towns in neb,wyo and kansas......



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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 4):
I don't think it's really necessary, as (a) they appear to be making money, and (b) other than company employees and a.netters, nobody really notices who the commuter airline is that is flying the plane.

Great Lakes does not operate under any brand names for other carriers, they operate specifically as "Great Lakes Airlines" ... while their flights are codeshared with UA and F9 ... hence why this is an "issue.":


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Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 4):
Some companies like SkyWest are good at making their name known, but if you pressed me for the actual airline that flew the American Eagle flight I was on DFW-FSM, I couldn't tell you.

That would have been American Eagle Airlines, Inc.  Wink (American Eagle has two operating companies ... American Eagle and Executive Airlines. Executive handles all the Caribbean flying, while the "actual" American Eagle - formed by AMR acquiring and merging all the constituent Eagle operators - handles everything else in the mainland.

Also, to addres DC8Contrail and SW733 ... Great Lakes was awarded EAS routes out of STL that were formerly operated by RegionsAir, and the EAS routes out of Milwaukee currently operated by Skyway.

The STL routes are supposedly going to continue to codeshare with AA (though there has been words going both ways on the subject), and YX stated when the bids came in that they would offer their codeshare to whoever acquired the routes. Nothing is particularly official yet on either of those two accounts, however.



I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2752 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3176 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 4):
As for the name change, many have suggested that Southwest re-brand itself as it is no longer strictly in the "southwest". I don't think it's needed.

Oh, man! You beat me to it!  Smile


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5772 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3062 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 5):
was told by a zk pilot that they bid on some new e.a.s. flying...didnt say where but this probably adds up

Great Lakes bid on the EAS flying for Merced and Visalia in California. They proposed flying between those 2 cities and LAS, replacing Air Midwest. Besides Great Lakes and Air Midwest, Vision Air bid on the EAS contract for VIS/MCE but proposed flights to VGT and LGB.

The City of Visalia told the DOT they preferred Great Lakes be given the route. The City of Merced told the DOT they preferred Vision Air to VGT and LGB.

A decision is expected in the next few weeks.

Great Lakes also bid on the EAS contracts for Vernal (VEL) and Moab (CNY) UT to DEN; and Ely (ELY) NV to DEN/LAS. But I have not been following the decision in those cities.



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User currently offlineRyDawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

As mentioned ZK is a great little airline. It may be primarily EAS flying; however, they provide service to these middle-of-nowhere markets like DEN-BFF. YV operated this route until the late 90s when ZK took over. People throughout the small Nebraska communities were grateful for the changes that came along with the introduction to ZK.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 4):
Some companies like SkyWest are good at making their name known, but if you pressed me for the actual airline that flew the American Eagle flight I was on DFW-FSM, I couldn't tell you.



Quoting JBo (Reply 6):
That would have been American Eagle Airlines, Inc.   (American Eagle has two operating companies ... American Eagle and Executive Airlines. Executive handles all the Caribbean flying, while the "actual" American Eagle - formed by AMR acquiring and merging all the constituent Eagle operators - handles everything else in the mainland.

Just to add on, these flights could have also been operated by American Connection. American Connection utilizes Trans States Airlines and Chautauqua Airlines RJ and Prop aircraft in certain markets.

Ryan



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User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

Quoting RyDawg82 (Reply 9):

Just to add on, these flights could have also been operated by American Connection. American Connection utilizes Trans States Airlines and Chautauqua Airlines RJ and Prop aircraft in certain markets.

I believe American Connection flies primarily out of the old TWA hubs, i.e. STL. Not sure how much service they provide out of DFW.



I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3139 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

Quoting RyDawg82 (Reply 9):

Just to add on, these flights could have also been operated by American Connection. American Connection utilizes Trans States Airlines and Chautauqua Airlines RJ and Prop aircraft in certain markets.

Ryan

TSA and CHQ are both all jet fleets.

Quoting JBo (Reply 10):

I believe American Connection flies primarily out of the old TWA hubs, i.e. STL. Not sure how much service they provide out of DFW.

Neither of the connection airlines fly out of DFW. We (TSA) currently go to DAL but that's ending in the near future as AA realized they can't play in WN's house. They're taking their ball and going home.

If you want to know what airline you're flying on, look at the chicken. If it's half red, half blue it's Eagle. If it's all blue, it's a connection carrier.



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User currently offlineMtnwest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2882 times:
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Quoting JBo (Reply 2):
It closed on Friday at a whopping $2.70 a share. That and a winning lotto ticket could get you ownership of the company.

Well, considering it was only in the 75 cent area not too long ago, that's a good increase.



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