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User currently offlineTPAnx From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 4033 times:

Fooling around with one of my flight trackers..I noticed that it lists two BA flights from TPA to LGW today...the usual
2166..and a flight 61..seperate departure and arrival times. AFAIK, TPA gets one LGW flight a day, six days a week.
Anyone know what's up??
TPAnx  Confused


I read the news today..oh boy
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User currently offlineRivet42 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4008 times:

There's no such flight on the Gatwick arrivals page, and indeed if I take a look at FlightStats, it has the following message against "BA 61"...:

"We have reason to believe that this flight is not operational on this day. This usually means that we have an old schedule in our system."

So, I'd take it as being an error, as in any case that is not a regular LGW flight number. I do see quite a few ghost flights on tracker systems, they are not infallible, although it makes me wonder where they get their data from!

Riv'



I travel, therefore I am.
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3999 times:

FlightAware lists it as BA61T. BA2166 hasn't operated since November 2006 according to them.  silly 

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW61T



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineTPAnx From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3978 times:

(Sings) Ghost riders in the sky.....thanks
TPAnx



I read the news today..oh boy
User currently offlineRivet42 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3953 times:

... if in doubt, check with the airline! On ba.com, they list BA 2166 as being expected into LGW at 08:05 local, so i'd imagine that that particular flight does indeed exist.

Riv'



I travel, therefore I am.
User currently offlineBAW076 From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2006, 750 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

BA2166 is the flight number.

The ATC callsign for this flight is "Speedbird Six-One Tango"

That is why it shows up as BA61T.

Chris  wave 



N754AN (x2), G-CPEL, G-MIDE, G-BPEC, G-BZHC, EI-DCH, LN-KKN, G-VIIW, G-BNLT, G-DBCA, G-MEDE, G-DBCE, G-MIDP.
User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

Quoting BAW076 (Reply 5):

Causes all sorts of problems when the crew call in using their ATC call sign rather than their registration or BA flight number.



Flown on A300B4/600,A319/20/21,A332/3,A343,B727,B732/3/4/5/6/7/8,B741/2/4,B752/3,B762/3,B772/3,DC10,L1011-200,VC10,MD80,
User currently offlineDFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

Quoting BAW076 (Reply 5):
BA2166 is the flight number.

The ATC callsign for this flight is "Speedbird Six-One Tango"

That is why it shows up as BA61T.

I had to figure out the same thing with my recent ORD LHR flight. BA 296 uses callsign Speedbird 24 Romeo. And if I put BAW296 in flightaware, it comes up with an old YUL flight.


User currently offlineBAW076 From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2006, 750 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3266 times:

Quoting DFW13L (Reply 7):
I had to figure out the same thing with my recent ORD LHR flight. BA 296 uses callsign Speedbird 24 Romeo. And if I put BAW296 in flightaware, it comes up with an old YUL flight.

Many callsigns for many flights on many airlines dont actually use the flight numbers.

BA (including Shuttle), BD, LH, EI, OS spring to mind, but I am sure there are many more that use this format.



N754AN (x2), G-CPEL, G-MIDE, G-BPEC, G-BZHC, EI-DCH, LN-KKN, G-VIIW, G-BNLT, G-DBCA, G-MEDE, G-DBCE, G-MIDP.
User currently offlineRivet42 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Quoting BAW076 (Reply 5):
That is why it shows up as BA61T.

Ah, so that's it.

Which prompts me to ask the inevitable question - presumably a given BA flight number has a specific call-sign, in which case what is the relationship between the two? Is there a defined list of the two together?

Adding to the list, I've noticed OK doing the same thing recently, and AF seem to use a mixture (eg. AF2170 becomes "AF217B", but AF2370 becomes "AF370E"...).

Riv'



I travel, therefore I am.
User currently offlineBAW076 From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2006, 750 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3101 times:

Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 9):
Is there a defined list of the two together?

Yes, I have one, but it is for Heathrow Ops ONLY.

BRITISH AIRWAYS (INTERNATIONAL)

*Callsign would be "Speedbird ___" so for example, the BA058 would be "Speedbird Five Eight Lima"

BA055 55K LHR-JNB
BA058 58L CPT-LHR
BA062 62C EBB-LHR
BA069 69V LHR-PHL
BA092 5CA YYZ-LHR
BA099 9L LHR-YYZ
BA112 23F JFK-LHR
BA189 64J LHR-EWR
BA207 5MA LHR-MIA
BA212 45B BOS-LHR
BA213 71G LHR-BOS
BA214 14G BOS-LHR
BA215 51G LHR-BOS
BA216 6W IAD-LHR
BA218 17V DEN-LHR
BA225 22W LHR-IAD
BA288 28A PHX-LHR
BA292 27W IAD-LHR
BA296 24R ORD-LHR
BA299 2H LHR-ORD
BA352 352N LHR-NCE
BA360 41Y LHR-LYS
BA363 37T LYS-LHR
BA364 36G LHR-LYS
BA457 57ML MAD-LHR
BA462 46LM LHR-MAD
BA481 81BL BCN-LHR
BA484 484B LHR-BCN
BA487 87BL BCN-LHR
BA504 54PT LHR-LIS
BA556 56RF LHR-FCO
BA561 56ML LIN-LHR
BA716 72LT LHR-ZRH
BA886 88P LHR-OTP
BA891 81F SOF-LHR
BA901 901U FRA-LHR
BA902 902N LHR-FRA
BA903 903U FRA-LHR
BA904 904N LHR-FRA
BA905 905U FRA-LHR
BA908 908N LHR-FRA
BA909 909U FRA-LHR
BA910 910N LHR-FRA
BA911 911U FRA-LHR
BA914 914N LHR-FRA
BA935 93DH DUS-LHR
BA936 94EL LHR-DUS
BA946 98EL LHR-DUS
BA948 948M LHR-MUC
BA949 949L MUC-LHR
BA950 950M LHR-MUC
BA952 952M LHR-MUC
BA954 954M LHR-MUC
BA956 956M LHR-MUC
BA958 958M LHR-MUC
BA982 982G LHR-TXL
BA984 984G LHR-TXL
BA986 986G LHR-TXL
BA988 988G LHR-TXL
BA990 990G LHR-TXL

* - Any flights not shown above, to my knowledge, have corresponding flight number and callsign.

BRITISH AIRWAYS (DOMESTIC)

*Callsign would be "Shuttle ___" so for example, the BA1301 would be "Shuttle One Nine(r) Sierra"

BA1301 19S ABZ-LHR
BA1303 19N ABZ-LHR
BA1304 18Z LHR-ABZ
BA1305 19Q ABZ-LHR
BA1306 18Y LHR-ABZ
BA1307 19F ABZ-LHR
BA1308 18C LHR-ABZ
BA1309 19Y ABZ-LHR
BA1312 18F LHR-ABZ
BA1313 19T ABZ-LHR
BA1314 18V LHR-ABZ
BA1315 19W ABZ-LHR
BA1316 18E LHR-ABZ
BA1317 19X ABZ-LHR
BA1318 18H LHR-ABZ
BA1321 13C NCL-LHR
BA1323 13X NCL-LHR
BA1324 12J LHR-NCL
BA1325 13E NCL-LHR
BA1326 12H LHR-NCL
BA1327 13F NCL-LHR
BA1328 12W LHR-NCL
BA1329 13W NCL-LHR
BA1331 13R NCL-LHR
BA1332 12G LHR-NCL
BA1333 13J NCL-LHR
BA1334 12N LHR-NCL
BA1335 13K NCL-LHR
BA1336 12Q LHR-NCL
BA1337 13L NCL-LHR
BA1338 12T LHR-NCL
BA1382 2A LHR-MAN
BA1383 3M MAN-LHR
BA1384 2E LHR-MAN
BA1385 3N MAN-LHR
BA1386 2J LHR-MAN
BA1387 3P MAN-LHR
BA1388 2M LHR-MAN
BA1389 3R MAN-LHR
BA1391 3U MAN-LHR
BA1392 2S LHR-MAN
BA1393 3X MAN-LHR
BA1394 2V LHR-MAN
BA1395 3F MAN-LHR
BA1396 2P LHR-MAN
BA1398 2G LHR-MAN
BA1399 3L MAN-LHR
BA1402 2K LHR-MAN
BA1403 3V MAN-LHR
BA1404 2R LHR-MAN
BA1405 3T MAN-LHR
BA1406 2X LHR-MAN
BA1407 3Y MAN-LHR
BA1408 2W LHR-MAN
BA1409 3Z MAN-LHR
BA1432 8B LHR-EDI
BA1433 9T EDI-LHR
BA1434 8F LHR-EDI
BA1435 9U EDI-LHR
BA1438 8K LHR-EDI
BA1439 9F EDI-LHR
BA1440 8G LHR-EDI
BA1441 9Z EDI-LHR
BA1442 8R LHR-EDI
BA1443 9B EDI-LHR
BA1444 8W LHR-EDI
BA1445 9J EDI-LHR
BA1446 8Y LHR-EDI
BA1447 9G EDI-LHR
BA1448 8A LHR-EDI
BA1449 9K EDI-LHR
BA1452 8C LHR-EDI
BA1453 9N EDI-LHR
BA1454 8H LHR-EDI
BA1455 9P EDI-LHR
BA1458 8L LHR-EDI
BA1459 9Y EDI-LHR
BA1462 8V LHR-EDI
BA1463 9C EDI-LHR
BA1464 8S LHR-EDI
BA1465 9E EDI-LHR
BA1472 6C LHR-GLA
BA1473 7R GLA-LHR
BA1474 6G LHR-GLA
BA1475 7S GLA-LHR
BA1476 6L LHR-GLA
BA1477 7Y GLA-LHR
BA1478 6N LHR-GLA
BA1479 7W GLA-LHR
BA1482 6T LHR-GLA
BA1483 7Z GLA-LHR
BA1484 6R LHR-GLA
BA1485 7G GLA-LHR
BA1486 6E LHR-GLA
BA1487 7H GLA-LHR
BA1488 6F LHR-GLA
BA1489 7P GLA-LHR
BA1492 6J LHR-GLA
BA1493 7U GLA-LHR
BA1494 6M LHR-GLA
BA1495 7X GLA-LHR
BA1496 6P LHR-GLA
BA1497 7A GLA-LHR
BA1498 6U LHR-GLA
BA1499 7B GLA-LHR

Hope this is of some use to you!

Chris   

[Edited 2007-09-12 05:30:15]

[Edited 2007-09-12 05:32:14]


N754AN (x2), G-CPEL, G-MIDE, G-BPEC, G-BZHC, EI-DCH, LN-KKN, G-VIIW, G-BNLT, G-DBCA, G-MEDE, G-DBCE, G-MIDP.
User currently offlineRivet42 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

Wow, thanks!!  Smile

I knew about the shuttles, had no idea it was so much more widespread.

Riv'



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