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Airlines Operating A310 And 767 At The Same Time?  
User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2694 posts, RR: 25
Posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

Inspired by the thread about DLs A310 (http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3601963/) I was wondering which airlines operated A310 and B767 at the same time?

Two examples are SU and AH


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Furthermore, there were some airlines which operated both jets but not at the same time, for example DL (for reasons we all know (PA-merger)), MP and

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Are there any other airlines that operated both types at the same time and what were the reasons for that?

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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2992 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5022 times:
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Canadian would be another after the Wardair takeover:


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Kuwait Airways who actually ordered the A310, then bought the 767 selling 2 A310s fresh off the production line to Boeing then buying the A310 again:


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

Uzbekistan still do.

User currently offlineAF2323 From France, joined Aug 2007, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4992 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Thread starter):
Furthermore, there were some airlines which operated both jets but not at the same time

Air France did operate both the A310 and 767 at the same time.


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3097 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4965 times:


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4945 times:

Why did Condor drop the A310 in favor for the 757/767 combo ?


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User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4919 times:

Hi!

I'm amazed that all of you forgot to mention DELTA....they used at the same time both airliners too...going even further they operated at one time the A310-200/300 and the 767-200/300...


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Regards


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4910 times:

OS could be too with the merger with NG be one of these operators but I am not 100% sure.  Smile

User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2694 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

Quoting CV990 (Reply 6):
Hi!

I'm amazed that all of you forgot to mention DELTA....they used at the same time both airliners too...going even further they operated at one time the A310-200/300 and the 767-200/300...

Of course I did not forget !!!!

Quoting N14AZ (Thread starter):
Inspired by the thread about DLs A310 (http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3601963/) I was wondering which airlines operated A310 and B767 at the same time?



Quoting N14AZ (Thread starter):
for example DL (for reasons we all know (PA-merger)), MP and

But I am ashamed that I forgot KU... Actually they were the first airline I spotted using both types.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 7):
OS could be too with the merger with NG be one of these operators but I am not 100% sure. Smile

I think by then the A310 was already replaced by A330 and A340 but it falls into the category "operated both but not at the same time"

Quoting CV990 (Reply 6):
Hi!

I'm amazed that all of you forgot to mention DELTA....they used at the same time both airliners too...going even further they operated at one time the A310-200/300 and the 767-200/300...



Quoting N14AZ (Thread starter):
Inspired by the thread about DLs A310 (http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/3601963/) I was wondering which airlines operated A310 and B767 at the same time?

 Wink



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4860 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 9):
I think by then the A310 was already replaced by A330 and A340 but it falls into the category "operated both but not at the same time"

They received an A310 back 2 years ago or so but I think they did not operate it just flew it to have it sold or so.  Smile

Thanks.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4820 times:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 10):
hey received an A310 back 2 years ago or so but I think they did not operate it just flew it to have it sold or so. Smile

I believe it was one of theirs that they have leased to another airline (HF ?) and it stood in Vienna till they could sell it.



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User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4814 times:

Hi!

You're right N14AZ...I'm sorry!!! I didn't see any DL A310/767 photos...that's why I missed it...but you're right..you've mentioned indeed DL!
Regards


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4807 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 11):
I believe it was one of theirs that they have leased to another airline (HF ?) and it stood in Vienna till they could sell it.

Yes that's right. Here is a pic:


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Just confirmed with a friend ( OS MX) that they just kept it in good shape for selling it.


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4792 times:

A reason could be : they already owned A300s, which shares a lot with the A310, they logically bought the A310 but as it could not offer extremely long ranges, they also needed the 767 and got it too. Why not the 767 only then? Well, think of AA : they have the A300 because it allows much better cargo capacity than the 767. As well, the A310 seemed better suited for short/medium flights than the 767 (remember how common they were then on widebodies), but i may be wrong on that.

Since the A300 and A310 are one single family, one could add AA to the list (I think they are the world's largest operator of pax A300 and one of the largest for pax 767s), and how differently they use both is a perfect example of how different these two families are.


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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7403 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4771 times:

LAB Lloyd Aero Boliviano operates both A310 & B767 :


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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2992 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4763 times:
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Quoting FlySSC (Reply 15):
LAB Lloyd Aero Boliviano operates both A310 & B767 :

Operated you mean... they operate neither currently.



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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4569 times:
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Air Niugini used to operate in 2002 - 2003, both Airbus A310 and Boeing 767...


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Air Afrique, operated in 1999 and 2000 it's own Airbus A310 and Boeing 767 wet-leased from Air Europe Italy...


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User currently offlineGlobeEx From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4550 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Thread starter):
Furthermore, there were some airlines which operated both jets but not at the same time, for example DL (for reasons we all know (PA-merger)), MP and

LH

Apologies if I'm wrong, but LH operated both at the same time, eventhough in 1994 the A310 were operated by Lufthansa Express (weren't they?).

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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7403 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Thread starter):
DL (for reasons we all know (PA-merger))

Air France also operated both types for the same reason :
AF was an A310 operator but never ordered the B767.
The B767 were inherited from UTA (AF-UT merger in 1992). UTA at that time had irdered the B767 to replace its DC10 and for its charter division Aéromaritime :


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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2694 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4220 times:

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 18):
Apologies if I'm wrong, but LH operated both at the same time, eventhough in 1994 the A310 were operated by Lufthansa Express (weren't they?).

GlobeEx

LH had 767 at two different times in their fleet

1994 -- 1995 (D-ABUC)


At the same time they operated A310 (with and without Express titles)

2003 (two leased from Lauda Air, D-ABUV, D-ABUW)


At the same time they still operated A310. As far as I know the last official LH A310 flight was in 2004.

So, as a summary we have:

1.) Aeroflot
2.) Air Afrique
3.) Air Algerie
4.) Air France
5.) Air India
6.) Air Nuigini
7.) Canadian
8.) Delta
9.) LAB (not 100% sure if it was at the same time or one directly after the other)
10.) Lufthansa
11.) Uzbekistan

Another candidate would have been Kenya Airways but the A310s left the fleet when the B767 arrived (one unfortunately by a crash)


User currently offline76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 511 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4208 times:

Martinair operated the A310 and 767 side by side from 1989 till 1995.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24868 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 20):
So, as a summary we have:

1.) Aeroflot
2.) Air Afrique
3.) Air Algerie
4.) Air France
5.) Air India
6.) Air Nuigini
7.) Canadian
8.) Delta
9.) LAB (not 100% sure if it was at the same time or one directly after the other)
10.) Lufthansa
11.) Uzbekistan

You missed KLM.


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2694 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

Quoting 76er (Reply 21):
Martinair operated the A310 and 767 side by side from 1989 till 1995.



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):

Ooops, I forgot all Dutch operators in the final list... But believe me, this is not due to the German-Dutch rivalry  Wink
But wait a moment, are you sure about KLM ("at the same time")? The lastest pictures of KLM A310 you find in the Database are from 1995 while the 767-pictures start at 1998 (I tortured google but didn't find the exact dates)

So, here is the updated list:

1.) Aeroflot
2.) Air Afrique
3.) Air Algerie
4.) Air France
5.) Air India
6.) Air Nuigini
7.) Canadian
8.) Delta
9.) LAB (not 100% sure if it was at the same time or one directly after the other)
10.) Lufthansa
11.) Martinair
12.) Uzbekistan


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3939 times:

To be fair to AI the 767's are short-term leases (to cover for the inop A310's) and not aircraft on AI's books, but technically yes the A310 and the 767 have both worn AI colours - not not the proper ones in case of the FlyGlobespan 767's.


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25 NorthStarDC4M : you missed Kuwait Airways... and they DID operate them at the same time, probably the 1st airline to do so in fact.
26 Post contains links and images Clydenairways : Kenya Airways! View Large View MediumPhoto © Ralph Kunadt View Large View MediumPhoto © George Polfliet
27 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : Here's an A310 photo dated September 30, 1995, assuming the date on the photo is correct. I couldn't find a reference to when KL retired their last A
28 Post contains links N14AZ : You are right about KLM. Finally I found some information: http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/KLM-history-a310.htm The KLM A310 was active until 1997
29 XT6Wagon : No, they are NOT the same family. The A300 prior to the A310 shares very little with the A310. It would be very much like saying the 767, and 777 are
30 JRDC930 : I dont think they operate anything anymore... last i heard. Kinda sad this ailine has gone(basically) to nothing.
31 Post contains links and images Oly720man : CAAC in the late 1980s View Large View MediumPhoto © Kjell NilssonView Large View MediumPhoto © Alastair T. Gardiner - WorldAirImages
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