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E170 From Feb CLE Incident Gets New "Head"  
User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6608 times:

Hi All-

The previous thread on this has been archived, so I'm starting a new one. The Shuttle America E170 (N862RW) that had the runway excursion this past February has received its new barrel section and the nose has either been repaired or replaced, and is "headless'' no more! Although I am told that Republic Holdings has officially written this plane off, the rebuild is going strong and the plane should be airborne again by year-end.

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(Fair warning...this is all on another site.) A search for N268RW will get you quite a few pics of this bird in various stages, including the accident itself.

Archived thread here:

RE: E170 Involved In Feb. CLE Incident - Written Off? (by N231YE Jul 10 2007 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6416 times:

I am glad to see that the rumor running around with employees at CLE was just a rumor...she will get fixed. I had the opportunity to visit this aircraft in the Air Services hangar (see link), and talk to the mechanics, prior to hearing this rumor.

According to the mechanics, she was supposed to fly by the end of this month (September), but it might be later...


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6400 times:

Quoting Rampkontroler (Thread starter):
Republic Holdings has officially written this plane off,

What they may have done is swapped it out with another airplane from the leasing company or whoever they got the airplane from. Obviously the insurance company thought otherwise to repair it than scrap it. I'd actually like to see what the bill was to fix it as opposed to just scrap it and salvage the parts on the plane.


User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1025 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6308 times:

Saw it on my way to/from CLE this past weekend, Thanks Airservices for leaving the doors open!


Why do I fly???
User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6189 times:

So it will be sold off by the insurance company to another carrier? Glad to see she'll take to the skies once more.


"Reality is wrong, dreams are for real." -Tupac
User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6030 times:

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 4):
Glad to see she'll take to the skies once more.

Yes, it's nice to see that such a young aircraft isn't going to go to waste. And I'm glad they keep their doors open there too!


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5888 times:

Interesting, thanks for the update.

There was recently a thread concerning the Aerorepublica (COPA) E195 that also had significant damage to the front part of its fuselage when it ran off the runway in a landing incident......I wonder if this airplane can also be saved with a ""nose job""?


User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5629 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
There was recently a thread concerning the Aerorepublica (COPA) E195 that also had significant damage to the front part of its fuselage when it ran off the runway in a landing incident......I wonder if this airplane can also be saved with a ""nose job""?

It would appear the technology is there, perhaps it's more a matter of funding. Of course almost anything can be rebuilt with enough money.


User currently offlineOBSMGR From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 47 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5558 times:

Quoting Rampkontroler (Thread starter):
I am told that Republic Holdings has officially written this plane off

This is not correct. 862 will be flying for Republic again at some point within the next 30-45 days.

Also, this aircraft isnt leased by RAH, it's owned.



I just Googled your Yahoo :)
User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5529 times:

Quoting OBSMGR (Reply 8):

Which means the insurance company thought it was less costly to fix it then writing RAH a check. It's amazing what technology can do this is amazing!


User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5462 times:

If this airplane does in fact, fly under the "Delta Connection" banner again, I wonder if it will be the first E-170 with the new Delta livery!  cloudnine 

User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2693 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5454 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 10):
If this airplane does in fact, fly under the "Delta Connection" banner again, I wonder if it will be the first E-170 with the new Delta livery!   

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought I read somewhere on here that DL's EMB-170s were being replaced with 175s?


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5414 times:

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 11):
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought I read somewhere on here that DL's EMB-170s were being replaced with 175s?

That is correct as some if not all of the 170's will go to the UA operation.

Hunter



Never be afraid to stand up for who you are.
User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4736 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
There was recently a thread concerning the Aerorepublica (COPA) E195 that also had significant damage to the front part of its fuselage when it ran off the runway in a landing incident......I wonder if this airplane can also be saved with a ""nose job""?

I think the issue there is the saltwater corrosion it suffered while it was sitting in the water.



"Reality is wrong, dreams are for real." -Tupac
User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4713 times:

Quoting OBSMGR (Reply 8):
This is not correct. 862 will be flying for Republic again at some point within the next 30-45 days.

Interesting...Proof positive you should not believe everything you read...and this was in a major airline magazine. Granted, in retrospect it only said "written off," but then I heard from an "insider" that this was the case and it seemed to confirm it.
Thanks for the update... (But then again...how do I know YOU are right! LOL)


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 6):
There was recently a thread concerning the Aerorepublica (COPA) E195 that also had significant damage to the front part of its fuselage when it ran off the runway in a landing incident......I wonder if this airplane can also be saved with a ""nose job""?

Didn't that one end up in salt water for a few days? Salt water and metal aren't exactly the best of friends...  Wink I hear that salt water damage will write off a metal airframe quicker than anything!



Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlineOBSMGR From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 47 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4209 times:

Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 14):
Interesting...Proof positive you should not believe everything you read...and this was in a major airline magazine. Granted, in retrospect it only said "written off," but then I heard from an "insider" that this was the case and it seemed to confirm it.
Thanks for the update... (But then again...how do I know YOU are right! LOL)

Initially, the damage to the two engines appeared more substantial then what it was, while the damage to the structure was evident immediately. There was a significant period of time where the aircraft was being evauluated and it was very much up in the air with the insurance companies. In the end, it was cheaper to repair then to replace, but another factor was the lack of availability of a replacement airframe (one was not readily available). When you consider the lost revenue side of the insurance issue, it was better to get this aircraft flying again than to wait a year for a new one.

(I realize many will say that it would not have taken Republic a year to replace the aircraft with Embraer due to thier favorable position with slots, but all aircraft Republic can get from Embraer this year are already on order. Pushing a replacement for 862 to the front of the line would have delayed a new 175 from the US program. Most of the delay to repair this airframe was waiting for the fabrication of the two nose sections in Brazil.)

Oh- and my source is about as reliable as you can get...



I just Googled your Yahoo :)
User currently offlineS5FA170 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 534 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4165 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 12):
That is correct as some if not all of the 170's will go to the UA operation.

10 of them go to UA with Shuttle America. The other 6 E-170s will be converted to 76 seats and put into the Frontier system at Republic.



Prepare doors for departure and cross-check.
User currently offlineRampkontroler From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 859 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4067 times:

Quoting OBSMGR (Reply 16):

Initially, the damage to the two engines appeared more substantial then what it was, while the damage to the structure was evident immediately. There was a significant period of time where the aircraft was being evauluated and it was very much up in the air with the insurance companies. In the end, it was cheaper to repair then to replace, but another factor was the lack of availability of a replacement airframe (one was not readily available). When you consider the lost revenue side of the insurance issue, it was better to get this aircraft flying again than to wait a year for a new one.

Thanks...that clears a lot up for me. And I trust your sources! It is amazing how quickly it is moving along all of the sudden. Kinda neat to watch.


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