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EK Plans Of Expansions...  
User currently offlineAdicool From Netherlands, joined Apr 2007, 302 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8822 times:

Okay, don't kill me, I know there are like 100 threads concerning EK and their future fleet on so.
And I also don't want to discuss where they might fly with their 55 A380 (not even to mention their potential 110...) and their 10 772LR. I just would like to know, where you guys think EK will expand within the next 5 years?
I just had a glance at their route map at their home page and I thought it was somewhat weird that they do not offer direct flights to NRT...can anyone explain this? It can't be lack of bilateral agreement, otherwise they wouldn't fly to KIX and NGO...
I personally think that EK will expand in the Scandinavian market, serving CPH (SK will introduce non-stop between CPH and DXB), OSL, ARN and HEL. I wouldn't be all too surprised to see EK also serving BGO, GOT and and KEF (EK proved that serving smaller cities can very well be a success...of course those routes can't be served daily...but three times a week would be very fine for KEF...maybe with a leg in CPH or so).
Apart from Scandinavia, I think the the Americas will be of major importance for expanding. I can see YUL, YVR and YYZ (which is happening soon as announced). Apart from those three very likely destinations I think EK could also serve YYC and YHZ...For the USA, I think LAX, SFO, SEA, ORD, IAD, MIA and ATL are very likely. Maybe LAS and DTW and DEN...
For Latin America: EZE and MEX...apart from this, those are very likely...maybe CCS (oil!) and with a stop-over in EZE SCL...
In Europe: MAD and BCN (long overdue), LIS, ABZ, DUB, LUX, GVA, AMS, BRU, MRS...

[Edited 2007-09-11 02:40:18]

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8805 times:

Quoting Adicool (Thread starter):
For the USA, I think LAX, SFO, SEA, ORD, IAD, MIA and ATL are very likely. Maybe LAS and DTW and DEN...

I would look for O'Hare, San Francisco, Washington, and Los Angeles to come in the nearer term future; with Miami, Newark, and Boston to follow in the longer term. Seattle, Dallas, and Detroit could also be good markets for them.



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User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 492 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8748 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
I would look for O'Hare, San Francisco, Washington, and Los Angeles to come in the nearer term future; with Miami, Newark, and Boston to follow in the longer term. Seattle, Dallas, and Detroit could also be good markets for them.

Newark would be a great addition to their network and surely a successful one.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8708 times:

Quoting Adicool (Thread starter):
I just had a glance at their route map at their home page and I thought it was somewhat weird that they do not offer direct flights to NRT...can anyone explain this? It can't be lack of bilateral agreement, otherwise they wouldn't fly to KIX and NGO...

There are no slots open at NRT. When Aeromexico got slots, it was a shock to some of us. They are not the best slots but that is what they got. When the new runway extension is complete, there wil be a few more slots available and I bet EK is already lining up to serve it.

They serve KIX and NGO now and use NH as a domestic partner to feed passengers to Tokyo and other destinations in Japan. I would think that once NRT is open to them, it will be with an A380. I can always understand why KIX is served with an A345 but don't understand why NGO is. It started with a 772 and then after a few months was changed to an A345.

Another location that I would think they might serve is ICN. It is becoming a regional hub and a superior airport.



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User currently offlineSkyyMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8708 times:

Quoting Adicool (Thread starter):
Okay, don't kill me, I know there are like 100 threads concerning EK and their future fleet on so.

Right. So why do we need another? Enough already!


User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8608 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 3):
When the new runway extension is complete,

When is that going to be!? Probably when the guy who owns the strawberry field in the middle of Narita dies his natural death in 25 years? Oh I forgot Japanese people have 3 digit average life expectancies!



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User currently offlineTreeHillRavens From Malaysia, joined Jun 2007, 403 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8582 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 3):
Another location that I would think they might serve is ICN.

EK have been serving ICN for a few years already. There are 10x weekly flights between DXB/ICN. 3x weekly operated by KE 772 and 7x weekly operated by EK 77W.


User currently offlinePRGLY From Czech Republic, joined Dec 2004, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8411 times:

I see no reason for them not to start operating to the cities in Central and Eastern Europe as well. They are sending their birds to MOW in this region only and other cities like PRG, BUD and WAW are having good potential, namely if none of the flag carriers in this region is regurarly flying to DXB. My wish is obviously PRG not only for PRG itself but also for the fact that Czech republic is offering a lot of other interesting spots and very good spa resorts ideal for rest and medical treatments. PRG is important commercial center offering a lot of business opportunities where petrodollars can be easily invested. Same applies for BUD and WAW.
We should not forgett also SOF,BUH,BEG.



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8377 times:

Quoting Adicool (Thread starter):
I just had a glance at their route map at their home page and I thought it was somewhat weird that they do not offer direct flights to NRT...can anyone explain this?

Aren't just the countries National Carriers allowed to serve NRT. I might completely wrong here.

Quoting Adicool (Thread starter):
I personally think that EK will expand in the Scandinavian market, serving CPH (SK will introduce non-stop between CPH and DXB), OSL, ARN and HEL.

Eventually they will fly there but I do not think hat there is a lot of money to make.

Quoting Adicool (Thread starter):
I wouldn't be all too surprised to see EK also serving BGO, GOT and and KEF

Honestly, what do you think they do there?BGO-DXB? KEF-DXB? no way! They will only do that if they are desperate to send their aircrafts into the world.  Smile


Eastern Europe is definitely a yes since there is a lot of capital in these countries.


User currently offlineAnkaraflyjet From Turkey, joined Mar 2007, 282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8339 times:
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It would be logical for EK to start serving Ankara ESB due to lack of flights from ESB to Middle East and Far East and would do good business for sure.

User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8321 times:

Should be an easy thread..
Basically EK is potentially interested in all airports currently serving more than 4M passengers or airports in strategically important locations.Worldwide .
I would assume thay also try to buy airports to plan for future secondary bases.



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User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8225 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 10):
I would assume thay also try to buy airports to plan for future secondary bases.

Do you have anything in mind?

Tunis could be a solid hub for operations to and from Africa.
Dakka or Rangoon could be long-term possibilities. Both are well placed as the center of the world's population. Tashkent maybe?

In any case, any new hub will have to deal with a lot of politics. It could mean a massive jump-start for any city hosting them so I imagine countries would be vying for a new EK hub.


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2245 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7803 times:

Quoting PRGLY (Reply 7):
PRG, BUD and WAW



Quoting PRGLY (Reply 7):
SOF,BUH,BEG



Quoting OHLHD (Reply 8):
Eastern Europe is definitely a yes since there is a lot of capital in these countries.

The only reason why I think that EK may starting looking more closely at Eastern Europe is simply due to the poor intercontinental connections that most of these capitals have. Demand is definitely there and the market is theirs for the taking. Yields are also quite healthy when compared to more competitive and much larger gateways.

"Fighting" for their share in AMS, ARN, CPH etc. is far more difficult (and expensive) than say in Eastern Europe, where besides a few direct North American and maybe two or three Asian points, you're pretty much left with the "T" (transit) option .

Just a few years ago, we only had three weekly flights by LH into BEG, now we have three daily... same with AZ, OS... and this is not P2P but majority transit pax with onward connections to places like JFK, ORD, YYZ, YVR, SYD, MEL, AKL, JNB etc.

Its just a matter of time before we see EK at BEG, OTP, BUD, ZAG, SOF, PRG and WAW (and let's not forget the ambitious growth of EY and QR here as well)



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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5186 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7778 times:

Quoting Adicool (Thread starter):
In Europe: MAD and BCN (long overdue), LIS, ABZ, DUB, LUX, GVA, AMS, BRU, MRS...

ABZ isnt ever going to happen, not unless someone finds a way to get an A330 off a 1950m* runway!

*although its being extended by 150m at some point in the future..



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User currently offlineEMA747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 1171 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7499 times:

If EMA got propper infrastructure to handel a pax heavy then do you think EK could one day operate a DXB-EMA service? I personally think it would only happen if they switched a MAN or BHX flight for an EMA one. EMA is expanding a lot at the moment and getting a regular mmajor long haul airline would be a real bonus.


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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3090 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7407 times:

Quoting Adicool (Thread starter):
ABZ,

surely EDI before ABZ.

ADL, DRW, CNS here in Australia are good candidates.

By the way, didn't EK gain more rights to fly here along with QR and EY, why havn't they used them, is there a starting date?

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineJWMD123 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 867 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7352 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 10):
Basically EK is potentially interested in all airports currently serving more than 4M passengers or airports in strategically important locations.Worldwide .

Given this logic they should head to DUB. With 21M Pax last year and this is looking to go to 25-26M this year, then it would be ideal.

I think though they are waiting to see if EI continue there DXB service. Rumors around they will drop it soon.

The only thing I would say it that EY serve AUH from DUB so this might put them off.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7229 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 15):
ADL, DRW, CNS here in Australia are good candidates.

depends on whether EK wants daily frequencies or less.

I can't see how DRW or CNS could sustain daily ops. Perhaps a split of 3 and 4 pw would work.

ADL over BKK would work well.


User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7059 times:

Quoting Adicool (Thread starter):

This is for all the EK supporters over this forum.......

Do you really envision EK filling daily widebodies (380/77W/77L/350) to DXB from all these locations around the world? I say daily (or at the least 6xweekly) because it's the way to make it suitable for premium pax (i.e. revenue).

Considering that DXB is being advertise as the future largest connecting hub in the world, can you imagine pax out of SFO, YVR or MEX connecting at DXB? where to go? Europe? Australia? and pax out of US east coast connecting at DXB? to Australia? China? come'on.

Please don't take it personal but EK's potential DXB-KEF has to be a joke. Can you imagine the sheiks spending holidays in Iceland? or icelanders filling a 3xweekly 77W to go shopping in the UAE?



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User currently offlineGlobeEx From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6602 times:

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 18):
Considering that DXB is being advertise as the future largest connecting hub in the world, can you imagine pax out of SFO, YVR or MEX connecting at DXB? where to go? Europe? Australia? and pax out of US east coast connecting at DXB? to Australia? China? come'on.

Well all the US pax could go on to all the middle east stations of EK and the Indina Subcon. (India, Maledives, Sri Lanka) That is quite a market, also if you look how US carriers already try to expand into that market. Certain US pax could also transfer to African destianations as they otherwise would have to change planes twice, would probably more expensive than flying EK.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
San Francisco, Washington, and Los Angeles to come in the nearer term future; with Miami, Newark, and Boston to follow in the longer term. Seattle,

LAX, SFO (and Seattle) I can only see in the near future, if they don't order the 748, starting with the 77L otherwise I think EK might wait to serve these destinations until the get the 748.

GlobeEx



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User currently offlineHaan From South Africa, joined Aug 2004, 289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6555 times:

The big problem is that Emirates wants to expand their network to many destinations and add more frequencies to the busiest destinations but currently they dont have aircraft just sitting around. Their aircraft are only in Dubai for more than 12 hours if they are scheduled for a weekly check or scheduled maintenance. Its chaos at Ek Operations if a aircraft go's technical as they have to switch around aircraft, delay, upgrade or downgrade capacity on routes if this happens. We will gradually see new routes into Europe like Barcelona, Copenhagen, in Asia Tokyo if slots become available. More frequencies to Australia and New Zealand with direct flights later on. More flights into Africa especially to South Africa as EK have been granted allot of slots last month. so we could see Johannesburg go 3x daily by end of next year and daily Cape Town as ell. EK are starting the first service to south American continent form October when they start services to Sao Paulo. We could surely expect more services in that region as well. and North America, well i cant say as they surprise us every time. For sure they are looking at LAX and SFO but payload is the problem. So currently EK will expand to all the corners but they dont have any spare aircraft. Currently they get 1-2 aircraft a month and then they need more crew and have to look after them to keep them in dubai.

User currently offlineGlobeEx From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6537 times:

Quoting Haan (Reply 20):
The big problem is that Emirates wants to expand their network to many destinations and add more frequencies to the busiest destinations but currently they dont have aircraft just sitting around.

Funny thing, I think they do, as they don't have the pilots. Or at least do have sometimes... =)

GlobeEx



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User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6392 times:

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 19):
Well all the US pax could go on to all the middle east stations of EK and the Indina Subcon. (India, Maledives, Sri Lanka) That is quite a market

Do you think US-Middle East/India market is large enough for EK to fill several planes a day from all the points suggested in this forum (LAX/SFO/SEA/ORD/IAD/MIA/ATL/LAS/DTW/DEN)?. I recognize there might be a few US cities that can sustain it but one have to consider there is tough competition from US and Indian carriers flying non-stops US East Coast-India.

About US-Africa, IMO the biggest and more profitable US-Africa markets (except JNB) are in the west coast (LOS, LDA, NBO, ACC) so flying through DXB doesn't seem an option



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User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6269 times:

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 22):
About US-Africa, IMO the biggest and more profitable US-Africa markets (except JNB) are in the west coast (LOS, LDA, NBO, ACC) so flying through DXB doesn't seem an option

NBO on the west coast?



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User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6219 times:

Quoting The Coachman (Reply 23):

My bad!!!  ashamed 

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25 GlobeEx : well, NBO and also southafrican destinations might sometimes make sense for certain cities in the US. Well probably not all destinates will make sens
26 KissK : In Afrika... why not to TNR this should be a nice shot!
27 AF086 : I see GIG, EZE and MEX as the most likely future EK stations in Lat. Am. EZE with a stop at GIG and the MEX service nonstop. GIG has an interesting m
28 YOWza : NEVER EVER GOING TO HAPPEN. The only EK birds SeaTac is going to see for the foreseeable future are pre-delivery flights from Boeing. Rangoon and Dha
29 DABTH747 : ummm thats what he said in his post?!? he wants more info on something not discussed in those 1000000 topics
30 BCA2005 : In Asia, I think NRT, CAN, TPE, SGN, HAN, KTM, DPS, ATQ. Maybe CTS, PUS, BWN?
31 UPPERDECKFAN : MEX-DXB is the same thing as US west coast, it would have to rely mainly on O&D and a few connecting pax may be to India. I highly doubt this one can
32 Sebring : If one uses the Great Circle Mapper, there just aren't many viable destinations outside of the Middle East and perhaps Pakistan which aren't served a
33 LOT767SP-LPA : Few weeks ago in one threat I wrote that EK planes to open some USA destination via Warsaw, and today heard from my source that EK wants to compete wi
34 Tonymctigue : I believe that DUB is quire possible. It has been rumoured for weeks in the Irish threads that EI are considering pulling the plug on the DUB-DXB flig
35 Post contains links Gunsontheroof : Maybe for LAX and SFO...DXB-SEA probably wouldn't provide that kind of capacity. I'd actually say that DXB-SEA is a perfect B787/A350 route. Probably
36 Mnik101 : As much as I'd love to see a 748i in EK colors i doubt it will happen,, but even if they do I doubt they would wait for that plane to start service.
37 Aleksandar : Guys, I would love to share your optimism when Belgrade is concerned. I'd love to. As for EK expansion, I expect even more flights to Indian subconti
38 Fly2CHC : In terms of Asia Pacific, I see them completing round-the-world journeys by connecting AKL with the US West Coast. It will only be a matter of time be
39 GlobeEx : Well, atleast you will most definately have the chance to see the 748F in EK colors =) GlobeEx
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