1011 From United States, joined Feb 2001, 309 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2601 times:
The Chicago Bears had a mechanical from SAN Sunday night to ORD. They were scheduled to leave at 6:15pm. They didn't leave until 11pm after another plane was flown in from LAX. Just wondering if anyone knows what the problem was?The broken plane was a 763, tail number 667UA. It was still parked at the east ramp just east of the SWA terminal when I flew out Mon. Looks like they had about 5 mechanics around it. Another plane was flown in from LAX and landed about 9:45pm. Tail number was 670UA. They didn't takeoff from SAN Sunday night till after 11pm. Long day and night for the Bears after getting beat up by the Chargers.
RDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1190 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2224 times:
Getting a widebody aircraft and crew together and ferrying it to another airport in under 3.5 hours is actually pretty impressive.
You gotta give the crew time to get to the airport (unless a ready reserve 763 crew is at the airport, doubtful at that hour), and probably cancel or downgrade another trip to cover the 763 that is being taken off that line.
I'm not saying the delay was ok, just pointing out that the recovery was probably about as best as it could be.
MaverickM11 From United States, joined Apr 2000, 11939 posts, RR: 51 Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2159 times:
HikesWithEyes From United States, joined Jan 2004, 810 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2096 times:
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4): They were allowed to leave SAN after the curfew?
Tom in NO From United States, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 55 Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2094 times:
Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 3): Getting a widebody aircraft and crew together and ferrying it to another airport in under 3.5 hours is actually pretty impressive.
No doubt they had to cancel a revenue flight from somewhere else to make up the charter.....I'm sure there were some upset travelers from the cancelled flight.....unless UA was able to slide a third airplane in to cover that flight.
I recall some years ago the (at the time) Anaheim Angels chartered an America West aircraft out of DFW. HP called back a flight that had already departed DFW, off loaded those pax, and redeparted with the Angels. Not good for public relations.
Tom at MSY
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XJRamper From United States, joined Dec 2003, 2091 posts, RR: 54 Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2073 times:
Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 6): No doubt they had to cancel a revenue flight from somewhere else to make up the charter.....I'm sure there were some upset travelers from the cancelled flight.....unless UA was able to slide a third airplane in to cover that flight.
Something tells me that this aircraft was a RON flight into LAX. After MX fixed the aircraft in SAN, they probably flew the a/c up to LAX to cover the original 763 going to wherever the flight was going.
Aogdesk From United States, joined Jun 2004, 844 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2018 times:
I think the NFL requires teams to be in their destination city 24 hours prior to kickoff. I wonder how this situation is treated, obviously theres little that can be done (at least from the aircraft operators perspective)
Bcoz From United States, joined Mar 2007, 267 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1945 times:
Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 9): I think the NFL requires teams to be in their destination city 24 hours prior to kickoff. I wonder how this situation is treated, obviously theres little that can be done (at least from the aircraft operators perspective)
The delay was on the flight home... after the Bears lost to the Chargers, so I doubt any sort of NFL rule would apply.
PanAm747 From United States, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 11 Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1616 times:
Quote: Curfew was at 11:30pm and they tookoff about 11:05pm.
That's certainly cutting it close!! A couple of questions about the situation:
Where the Chicago players and coaches wait during this time?
If the plane was ready at 11:29 and took off late, who would pay the fine? I assume United would simply pass on the cost, and the NFL would pass it on to the consumers...
If an airline charters to a sports team, is it written into the contract that if the plane is disabled they will have a back-up ready for them?
[Edited 2007-09-11 22:37:51]
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HikesWithEyes From United States, joined Jan 2004, 810 posts, RR: 12 Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 851 times:
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 13): If the plane was ready at 11:29 and took off late, who would pay the fine? I assume United would simply pass on the cost, and the NFL would pass it on to the consumers...
I think that UAL would just eat the cost of the fine. The people paying for the charter (the Bears) already
paid for the service, and if UAL couldn't provide an aircraft to depart prior to curfew, then it is their responsibility.
I know that the actual birdstrike isn't the airline's fault, but those are the breaks.
However, if the game was delayed, and the Bears were late to the airport, causing a delay, then I think UAL
would have a shot at getting reimbursed for the curfew violation fine.
Viscount630 From United Kingdom (England), joined Mar 2005, 160 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 838 times:
Quoting XJRamper (Reply 7): Something tells me that this aircraft was a RON flight into LAX.
"RON"??? (Please remember that not everyone on here knows what jargon like this means )
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 614 times:
From friends at United...I have answers......
Quoting XJRamper (Reply 7): Something tells me that this aircraft was a RON flight into LAX. After MX fixed the aircraft in SAN, they probably flew the a/c up to LAX to cover the original 763 going to wherever the flight was going.
MX did not fix the aircraft in SAN. It was ferried to SFO on Monday around 1:30 pm. My friends say the bird strike was substantial and left a huge dent in the leading edge of the right wing.
Quoting 1011 (Reply 8): The same pilots flew the Bears that ferried down the 763 from LAX.
No. The pilots who ferried the flight from DEN where the bird strike occurred on take off, switched to the aircraft that was ferried down from LAX and flew the team to Chicago. The pilots who flew the replacement aircraft from LAX dead headed out of SAN on some other flight.
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 13): Where the Chicago players and coaches wait during this time?
The team was pre screened at the Stadium as they were boarding the buses for the airport. The 767 was parked at a remote location. Because there was no other place to have them wait without having to be re screened, the decision was made to have them wait it out on the broken plane. My United friends say the team, coaches and staff were really patient and professional. They watched movies, slept, etc. The players were allowed off the plane as long as they stayed within the footprint of the aircraft. The pilots were on the tarmac pointing out the damage to the players and explaining what was going on. The replacement aircraft parked next to the damaged plane and the passengers walked from one plane to the other. Cargo was loaded quickly with a cargo loader borrowed from American.
If there are any questions, I can check with my United friends.
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