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Iberia Leaves More Routes In BCN  
User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Posted (7 years 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4481 times:
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Hi all,

Clickair has announced that from October 28, will start operations from BCN to ATH, TFN and LPA after the intentions of the Spanish flag carrier to concentrate it's operations on "profitable" routes from Barcelona and to leave other destinations in hands of it's low-cost arm Clickair.

Athens, Gran Canaria and Tenerife North airports will see it's last scheduled IB flight from Barcelona on October 27.

So, Athens, will be served by XG three times a week (instead daily flight operated nowadays) and TFN and LPA will keep its daily flight.

The question is: what are the thoughts of Iberia? Which routes will follow to ATH, TFN and LPA? Maybe MAD, MXP, LHR or ORY?

In my opinion, IB has demonstrated its intentions to be a centralist carrier, leaving BCN and other airports as SVQ, BIO, VLC,... in the "non good hands" of Clickair. I know many people that prefers to reach its destination via any European city instead to take any XG flight.

As example, since the start-up of Clickair, other carriers as Lufthansa, Alitalia, TAP Air Portugal, Air France,... has experimented great demand in its own flights asking for more slots to operate BCN.

Your opinions?

Gerard


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User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4415 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Thread starter):
Which routes will follow to ATH, TFN and LPA? Maybe MAD, MXP, LHR or ORY?

As far as I recall, right from the start Iberia announced that eventually the only IB-route from BCN would be the flight to MAD. XG already serves LHR from LCG and VLC, ORY from VLC, and MXP from VLC and SVQ.

I have been a bit surprised on the XG move as well.

I can understand that they didn't want to operate a dual-hub strategy anymore. BA decided something similar and they have ceased operating all flights that to not start or end in London (except MAN-JFK) and left them to other carriers (LCCs, hub-feeders and FlyBE). Alitalia will also dismantle their 2-hub strategy as a part of their restructuring. And LH actually only has a 2-hub strategy because they couldn't expand FRA - whilst IB has great opportunities in MAD.

However, they could have followed the same strategy as LH did in CGN, STR and HAM: operate a O&D-based full-service carrier for the business flights, and have a LCC carrier serving the tourism flights (Germanwings).

I guess IB would have thought that all their IB clients would transfer to XG, but I can understand many of them left to other carriers, that offer higher frequencies. On the AMS-route, for example, XG flies the route 2-daily; compared to 6-daily by KLM, offering a better business product. XG competes more with HV for the vacation traffic, than for business pax I guess.


User currently offlineBBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4367 times:

In my opinion, IB is doing like its partial-owner BA; IB is doing a 'Madrid Airlines', as BA does 'London Airways'.

I am against IB leaving BCN to XG. It seems that the only routes IB will continue to operate from BCN are MAD, and maybe LHR. I think that the few routes that IB still operates from BCN to other major hubs in Europe will be gone sooner rather than later.

I really hope that IB do a u-turn on their current strategy. After all, BA had to offload Go. I'd like to see IB taking back the routes it is abondoning at BCN. However, I'm afraid that this is a lost cause.

I fly legacy carriers, and will continue to do so as much as I can.

However, should I ever fly a LCC, I see no particular reason for flying XG instead of U2. Seeing how IB has been neglecting BCN, I'd choose U2 just to demonstrate my disapproval of the whole strategy, not to mention the alleged poor working conditions at XG.

And, just to make things very clear, I do not have any particular preference for Barcelona or Catalunya over any other region or city in Spain.

BBADXB  sun 


User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4301 times:

Like you, I don't understand why IB doesn't have a dual hub strategy based on MAD and BCN. MAD and BCN are both large an prosperous cities. I think that IB could attract a healthy combination of leisure and business travellers to both cities. Additionally, BCN is emerging as a longhaul destination. AA, DL, CO, AM, AV, AR and SQ either fly to BCN or have announced firm plans to do so. I believe that IB also would do well if it started nonstop flights from BCN to destinations in the western hemisphere, such as JFK, MIA, MEX, GRU, and EZE.

This dual hub model seems to work well for other European airlines that have two or more large cities that can serve as hubs for connecting passengers. LH has hubs at FRA and MUC, and perhaps it will eventually open another hub at BBI. If AZ had stronger finances and management, a dual hub strategy for FCO and MXP would probably turn out to be successful.


User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4278 times:

Quoting Joost (Reply 1):
XG competes more with HV for the vacation traffic, than for business pax I guess.

I'd say that's exactly what XG can compete on, price and hence holiday traffic.
Vueling seems more capable of attracting business traffic on the BCN route, or am I mistaking?
I flew AMS-BCN at the beginning of this year and tried to be as unprejudiced as possible but Vueling was a lot more pleasant than XG.


User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2898 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4238 times:

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 4):
I flew AMS-BCN at the beginning of this year and tried to be as unprejudiced as possible but Vueling was a lot more pleasant than XG.

Same here. I can fly both airlines from LIS, the times are not more than 30 minutes different, prices usually similar (XG slightly cheaper) but Vueling is indeed more plesant, in my humble opinion.

I did find the BCN terminal a lot more chaotic than Madrid's T4 (yes, apples and oranges, I know). Let's see what happens when the new BCN Terminal opens. Will they extend the railway to the new terminal?

Back to topic, I understand the advantages of a single hub in terms of organisational simplicity (and route consolidation) but BCN is too big, wealthy and popular to just let go of. While the big streams of tourists coming to Barcelona will be happy having another low-cost option, switching to LCC service levels scares your biz pax away, which is bad. Competition is everywhere...

Edit: typo

[Edited 2007-09-11 18:56:06]

[Edited 2007-09-11 18:56:38]


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User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4219 times:

hi all

Quoting RAFVC10 (Thread starter):
In my opinion, IB has demonstrated its intentions to be a centralist carrier, leaving BCN and other airports as SVQ, BIO, VLC,... in the "non good hands" of Clickair. I know many people that prefers to reach its destination via any European city instead to take any XG flight.

Your opinion is fine everyone is entitled to one, but it's wrong IB is not a "Centralist carrier" there is no such thing. IB is a PRIVATE company it has only one goal, to make as much money as possible. If you can convince them that they can make more money if they changed their Hub to BCN they would. But that's not the case. Weather the decision to move most IB flights from BCN to Click air is a good one or not only time will tell. But I can assure you that if this doesn't work for them they won't doubt about re-taking the routes with IB metal.

Quoting Joost (Reply 1):
However, they could have followed the same strategy as LH did in CGN, STR and HAM: operate a O&D-based full-service carrier for the business flights, and have a LCC carrier serving the tourism flights (Germanwings).

That might work for LH but obviously IB have decided to do something else. As I always say only time will tell.



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User currently offlineBBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4199 times:

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 6):
But I can assure you that if this doesn't work for them they won't doubt about re-taking the routes with IB metal.

I absolutely do not mean to be nasty, but I hope that IB's XG strategy fails miserably and quickly, with the least of detriment to its workforse so as to have mainline IB services restored as soon as possible. A lost cause? Maybe, but I'm still hoping to see IB go strong at BCN again some time in the near future.

BBADXB  sun 


User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4126 times:

Hi

Quoting BBADXB (Reply 7):
I absolutely do not mean to be nasty, but I hope that IB's XG strategy fails miserably and quickly, with the least of detriment to its workforse so as to have mainline IB services restored as soon as possible. A lost cause? Maybe, but I'm still hoping to see IB go strong at BCN again some time in the near future.

As an IB employee and union member I couldn't agree with you more. but as you, I think donkeys will fly in Ohio before that happens.

Vueling was great when they started but so far have only manges to loose a considerable. amount of money and customer wise things are not running as smooth (logical the more flights the more problems.)

Remember that in todays market if matters more your ability to generate profits than having a great service and loose money. As an employee I know very well where I want to be.

 mischievous 



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User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4057 times:
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Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 6):
Your opinion is fine everyone is entitled to one, but it's wrong IB is not a "Centralist carrier" there is no such thing. IB is a PRIVATE company it has only one goal, to make as much money as possible. If you can convince them that they can make more money if they changed their Hub to BCN they would. But that's not the case. Weather the decision to move most IB flights from BCN to Click air is a good one or not only time will tell. But I can assure you that if this doesn't work for them they won't doubt about re-taking the routes with IB metal.

Hi Bullpitt,

and in your opinion... would not be good to have dual hub in Spain (Madrid and Barcelona)? In an emerging place, as said our colleague IAD380 and a potential Mediterranean city?

I never wrote or said that the IB hub must to me moved to BCN.

As a I employee, don't you think that the synergies of both carriers must to be aligned (to issue an XG with IB flight in the same ticket; to have access to Club Fiesta or Ieria Plus Emerald to VIP lounges; to have any in-flight service as the Business service offered by IB,...)

Regards,

Gerard



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 3):
I believe that IB also would do well if it started nonstop flights from BCN to destinations in the western hemisphere, such as JFK, MIA, MEX, GRU, and EZE.

That will be the role of Iberia's partners. For example, American Airlines is launching JFK-BCN this summer, and MIA-BCN is being planned as well.



a.
User currently offlineWonderFan From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3985 times:

I think IB did what it had to do in the face of the heavy attack from the LCC's. IB understood that what counts is not to serve every single city or compete for every single piece of market. IB realized that it had to focus on what could generate the most money and where it could shine best: long haul traffic. This required consolidating its MAD hub so that every flight could now be a portential feeder for the long haul traffic. One example is that by leaving ATH to XG, IB can now add a third flight to ATH from MAD (and I'm sure it will in the near future), which will enhance long haul by providing feed, rather than having a flight from BCN to ATH that was pretty much terminal (except maybe for some domestic connection possiblities).

User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3959 times:

Hi Gerard

IB gold and platinum card holders flying with XG can now use IB lounges and can also earn points towards their accounts. I (contrary to popular belief) have nothing against BCN ( in fact have lived in Tarragona for many years) My son was born in Reus. If IB is pulling out from BCN is because economically it benefits the company, (el dinero no tiene patria) and as I have said before when IB feels it's time to return they will.

IB's main goal now is to keen in the black, times are very difficult for all carriers see VY, AZ ,JK, UX and others that can disappear with a wink of the eye. So as an employee I have confidence in my fellow colleagues and their analysis of the situation. (Which by the way they have shown they know what they are doing).Future agreements with XG I'm sure are in the minds of those responsible for IB's customer service.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3839 times:

So what do IB have left in BCN now, both mainline and Air Nostrum? Obviously theres MAD, LHR and ORY


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User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

First, as I have said before and as Bullpit already stated, IB choice of centralising at MAD is based on business and only in business and whether it ends up in the future being a bad one only time will tell.

IB is focusing themselves mainly on long haul, and having only one hub fits very well with that strategy. To be consistent with that strategy they are no longer interested in competing on routes like BCN-AMS or BCN to other non OW hubs (CDG, FRA, MXP, MUC). On the other way around, IB is beefing up their schedules from european hubs to MAD to feed their long haul network.

Most of the fligths between a non-hub city like BCN and hubs like CDG, AMS or FRA are feeders to AF, KL, LH long haul network respectively.

I work in Valencia and since IB/BA dropped VLC-LHR my colleagues going to Asia/Middle East/Africa are using AF instead of BA, have been told that AF's codeshare with UX on VLC-CDG is performing extremely well.

We a.netters can argue here that we don't like LCC's but keep in mind we're an insignificant piece of the cake and most of the common people flying intra-europe on leisure would happily fly a LCC if rates are cheapier no matter anything else.

IMO, IB decision will prove right in the future but in the other hand there are a few downsides, specially dropping mainline services to LHR from medium markets like VLC, SVQ, BIO. I think they could've done better agreeing with BA on keeping at least one daily on these ones as feeders to BA long haul network.



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User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 763 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3710 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 13):
So what do IB have left in BCN now, both mainline and Air Nostrum? Obviously theres MAD, LHR and ORY

Using IB own metal:

- Air shuttle flights marketed as Puente Aéreo/Pont Aeri between Terminal C @BCN and Terminal 4 @MAD
- Internationalized MAD flights connecting to longhaul between Terminal B @BCN and Terminal 4 Satellite @MAD
- Regular MAD flights between Terminal B @BCN and Terminal 4 @MAD
- London Heathrow as part of the deal with BA, revenue sharing
- ORY, BRU and MXP international
- OVD (mix with YW), MAH (mix with YW), PMI and BIO domestic

Using Air Nostrum:
- SDR, LEN, VLL, SLM, VIT, EAS, RJL, PNA, BJZ, ABC, VLC, MJV, LEI, MLN domestic
- MRS, NCE, NTE, TRN, HAJ and BLQ international

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 14):
specially dropping mainline services to LHR from medium markets like VLC, SVQ, BIO. I think they could've done better agreeing with BA on keeping at least one daily on these ones as feeders to BA long haul network.

Also BA only feeds IB from London (Gatwick, Heathrow and City). The IB-BA cooperation or market-sharing (IB to Latam and BA to Asia and N.America) cannot be considered as such.
Seems IB has though that VLC, BIO and SVQ long-haul passenger numbers (and revenue) are not that big to be handed in or shared with BA.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Thread starter):
The question is: what are the thoughts of Iberia? Which routes will follow to ATH, TFN and LPA? Maybe MAD, MXP, LHR or ORY?

I'd say TFN will remain to be operated by IB due to the very high demand, hence why they send at least one widebody a day. Maybe a few frequencies could go to XG, while the widebody flight to TFN continues to be operated by IB.

BTW: Why is IB serving ORY instead of CDG?

Quoting RAFVC10 (Thread starter):
In my opinion, IB has demonstrated its intentions to be a centralist carrier, leaving BCN and other airports as SVQ, BIO, VLC,... in the "non good hands" of Clickair. I know many people that prefers to reach its destination via any European city instead to take any XG flight.

This makes me wonder about the future of the Puente Aéreo as well. Could the MAD-BCN shuttle be in danger of being transferred to XG?

Quoting BBADXB (Reply 2):
In my opinion, IB is doing like its partial-owner BA; IB is doing a 'Madrid Airlines', as BA does 'London Airways'.

I prefer the term "Madrid Airways".  Wink


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

Quoting Aisak (Reply 15):
Using IB own metal:

- Air shuttle flights marketed as Puente Aéreo/Pont Aeri between Terminal C @BCN and Terminal 4 @MAD
- Internationalized MAD flights connecting to longhaul between Terminal B @BCN and Terminal 4 Satellite @MAD
- Regular MAD flights between Terminal B @BCN and Terminal 4 @MAD
- London Heathrow as part of the deal with BA, revenue sharing
- ORY, BRU and MXP international
- OVD (mix with YW), MAH (mix with YW), PMI and BIO domestic

Don't forget BCN-ALC, which also remains mainline at least during the coming winter timetable.



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User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3486 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 16):
BTW: Why is IB serving ORY instead of CDG?

Has been explained in other threads, majority of people flying BCN-ORY on IB are terminating their journey in Paris so ORY is a more convenient location, CDG is a non OW hub so people connecting on AF long haul network would fly UX or AF out of BCN instead of IB.

Of course this strategy hurts people connecting with OW partners AA, JL or CX at CDG, but still have the option of BCN-CDG on XG.



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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 16):
I'd say TFN will remain to be operated by IB due to the very high demand, hence why they send at least one widebody a day. Maybe a few frequencies could go to XG, while the widebody flight to TFN continues to be operated by IB.

Just a small correction as there seems to be a small misunderstanding here.

Remember we are talking about BCN here. IB's widebody flights to TFN are operated from MAD only, which is not a Clickair base nor destination.

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 18):
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 16):
BTW: Why is IB serving ORY instead of CDG?

Has been explained in other threads, majority of people flying BCN-ORY on IB are terminating their journey in Paris so ORY is a more convenient location, CDG is a non OW hub so people connecting on AF long haul network would fly UX or AF out of BCN instead of IB.

Of course this strategy hurts people connecting with OW partners AA, JL or CX at CDG, but still have the option of BCN-CDG on XG.

Just as a sidenote, IB flies to both ORY and CDG from MAD.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 16):
This makes me wonder about the future of the Puente Aéreo as well. Could the MAD-BCN shuttle be in danger of being transferred to XG?

No. This is a big moneymaker for IB.

What they are planning do is to "re-adjust" their capacity on these flights by operating them exclusively with A319 aircraft instead of the current aircraft combination. That way they will offer less seats while mantaining the same number of flights. This is supposedly meant to counter the forecasted effects of the high speed train between Madrid and Barcelona when it starts it's services.



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User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 763 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 16):
BTW: Why is IB serving ORY instead of CDG?

Simple awnser: 'cause they can  Smile. It seems Aéroports de Paris hasn't been able to move all the international carriers to CDG, and IB, TP, UX and a few others remain at ORY.

Quoting IBERIA747 (Reply 19):
Just as a sidenote, IB flies to both ORY and CDG from MAD.

and Air Nostrum flies SDR, VLL, PMI, IBZ and OVD to ORY but ZAZ goes to CDG.
If two out of ten MAD-PAR flights go to CDG and one out of 6 regional routes goes to CDG i'd say it's a slot/gate issue. I doesn't make sense to split paris operations between ORY and CDG.


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3021 times:
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Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 12):

IB gold and platinum card holders flying with XG can now use IB lounges

Hola Fernando,

I'm not agree with your comment. I'm a Club Fiesta member since last year and with this Frequent Flyer card, Iberia, in many times, don't allow me to enter in the Gaudi VIP lounge because the flight I fly is not an Iberia (100% operated)flight.

My discussions with IB team at BCN airport are regular for this reason. Mr. Echegaray, director of Barcelona Airport, is studying, as I heard from him, to allow Gold, Emerald and Club Fiesta members to use without any charge the AENA VIP lounge after the negative of Iberia to allow Clickair passengers to enter in any of his two VIP lounges.

The last time that IB Barcelona team denegate me to enter in the VIP lounge was last week.

But as Spanish people said, and you know: "La esperanza es lo ultimo que se pierde" (Hope is the last that you can loose). So, I retry any time I will fly with XG. Big grin

Un saludo.

Quoting Aisak (Reply 15):
Using IB own metal:

- Air shuttle flights marketed as Puente Aéreo/Pont Aeri between Terminal C @BCN and Terminal 4 @MAD
- Internationalized MAD flights connecting to longhaul between Terminal B @BCN and Terminal 4 Satellite @MAD
- Regular MAD flights between Terminal B @BCN and Terminal 4 @MAD
- London Heathrow as part of the deal with BA, revenue sharing
- ORY, BRU and MXP international
- OVD (mix with YW), MAH (mix with YW), PMI and BIO domestic

Asturias will be served by Clickair from February 2008; Menorca will loose IB flights on October 27; Bilbao will see Clickair operating from Barcelona on December 1st;

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 17):
Don't forget BCN-ALC, which also remains mainline at least during the coming winter timetable.

Alicante will see Clickair flights from December 2007.



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User currently offlineAcelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

What will happen with the Summer only IBE mainline flights, i.e. BCN-ACE on a Sat. Will Clickair
Operate it or will the route disappear??



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 21):
Bilbao will see Clickair operating from Barcelona on December 1st;

Will IB still do BCN-Bilbao-LHR?



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User currently offlineBBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

Is IB also handing their ALC-BCN route to XG now? This is really bad for me. At this point, they may really claim to be Iberia Madrid Airlines, instead of Iberia Spanish Airlines, as if they continue like this, any non Madrid flight will go to XG. I'm not impressed.

BBADXB


25 Aisak : I don't think so. But they can easily fo BCN-LHR-BIO-LHR-BCN or MAD-LHR-BIO-LHR-MAD. Seems like BIO-LHR will be the last non-MAD route for IB....
26 Bullpitt : HI all Just came across this piece of information which I think is very interesting, Barcelona, 12 sep (EFE).- Iberia, with its partners Iberia Region
27 BOAC911 : I think a strategy that Iberia appears to have deliberately forgone is the possiblilty of operating regional jets (Air Nostrum ) on routes with a heal
28 Humberside : And it didnt work. The operations have been sold to Flybe The best example of how to make regional operations work is LH
29 UPPERDECKFAN : I agree that was IB/BA aproach when they dropped mainline service from VLC, SVQ and BIO (soon to be) to LHR, but I just wonder whether putting Air No
30 TriStar500 : Thanks for the information. Last time I looked (about a week ago), the CRS still showed IB mainline flights on the route for March/ April 2008.
31 Aisak : I would make sense. For two reasons. The most important is the price of the slot. Imagine a congested airport.... LHR is worst. So using a CRJ even i
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