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EK At JXB Or DXB?  
User currently offlineGlobeEx From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

I did read somewhere that EK apparently wants to stay at DXB and all other carriers will be transferred to JXB....
Somehow that didn't make any sense to me. They are building the huge Dubai World Cargo City/Centre... whatever... satellite city with the future biggest airport in the world and EK is supposed to stay at DXB where they claim to have not enough gates for all the A380s they actually would like to have. Or did I just "missread" the article which meant to say, that EK will stay at DXB at the beginning and will then move(split operation) to JXB. I thought I know that one terminal at JXB would be dedicated to EK. Would that be enough (never know how big they built in Dubai) or will they indeed split operation which would make Dubai a little bit less appealing as a hub.
Could somebody elaborate what EKs future plans with JXB and DXB are?

GlobeEx

[Edited 2007-09-11 18:48:47]


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User currently offlineBBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3768 times:

I have no insight into what EK's plans are. However, JXB is closer to new Dubai and wouldn't be surprised if DXB is left just as a general aviation and private jet airport, or even closed down altogether and have some new mega project on its site. The road traffic around DXB is a major and growing pain, making JXB a much convenient facility.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31060 posts, RR: 87
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3731 times:
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EK is guaranteed to run at least their A388 ops out of JXB. They might use DXB for cargo or more "local" services (ala HND in Tokyo) and use JXB for long-haul international.

User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

Some sort of high-speed rail link between the two could make that plan relatively feasible...

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5751 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3715 times:

Perfect excuse for Dubai to get Maglev, one less thing on their must have list or rather must create situation list to create must have list, because of situation created.

User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4836 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3634 times:

Supposedly DXB will eventually be for shorthaul ops by regional carriers and used by LCC or those that aren't too fussed with which airport they go to. Can see EK eventually moving completely to JXB as it will be the 'big flash new airport' that EK can use as a boasting point as well as having its ops centralised at one airport.


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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3577 times:

When is JXB suppose to open?

User currently offlineGlobeEx From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3458 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 5):
Supposedly DXB will eventually be for shorthaul ops by regional carriers and used by LCC

As far as I know, one terminal at JXB will be reserved for LCCs.

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 6):
When is JXB suppose to open?

I think the first runways will be completed this year. When it will open I don't know.

But interesting how lillte inside info EK got prise about their plans at JXB and DXB..... But I also read somewhere, that they will operate most/all of the A380s out of JXB...... Follow-on question: would JXB ready to handle 110 A380s?

GlobeEx



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User currently offlineRUHFlyer From Saudi Arabia, joined Mar 2007, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 7):
Follow-on question: would JXB ready to handle 110 A380s?

with 6 runways .. I am sure its gonna be ready  Wink


User currently offlinePhilzh From Switzerland, joined May 2007, 146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 4):
Perfect excuse for Dubai to get Maglev, one less thing on their must have list or rather must create situation list to create must have list, because of situation created.

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Good for them, too, to have must create situation for having must-have lists, as at times they do seem to be running out of must-have things altogether.

Of course, they can always simply double their A380 fleet, and for good measure throw in 100 A350s and/or B787s. Actually, I would not be surprised to hear Tim Clark speak about 100 of each AC - just think of the nice fleet this would make: 100 A380, 100 A350 and 100 B787 glistening in the desert sun! Tim, whaddaya say?  Wink


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 7):
Follow-on question: would JXB ready to handle 110 A380s?

We need the pictures of the JXB layout. I just remember that it had pictures of A380s and 747s lined up along terminal buildings.

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User currently offlineEmirates2005 From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 238 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

Great topic. Although all of the above comments make certain sense I would wonder why would EK spend so much money in building a brand new terminal to cater for the A380 and then just use it for cargo/LLC/etc.

IMHO their operations will stay at DXB with cargo moving to JXB. Eventually, It would be great to see an airport the size of DXB only for EK.

On the other hand, the question on feasibility comes into mind. With potentially having 100 A380s, 100 A350/787 (or both) and the stack of 777s they are receiving, I think the parking lot will be full. Not even mentioning the transition of passagers of connecting flights between DXB and JXB (40 kilometers apart).

I do look forward to how this will be handled.

BTW, runway 1 is done, runway 2 about 80% and you can see some of the terminal buildings coming up as well.

I drive past it daily on my way to work.

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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 11):
Not even mentioning the transition of passagers of connecting flights between DXB and JXB (40 kilometers apart).

Hourly 77W shuttle.  Wink



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User currently offlineGlobeEx From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 11):
Great topic.

Thank you  Wink

Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 11):
I would wonder why would EK spend so much money in building a brand new terminal to cater for the A380 and then just use it for cargo/LLC/etc.

There will be three terminals. One reserved for EK only, one for other international carriers/other airlines from the UAE and one for LCCs.

Quoting Emirates2005 (Reply 11):
BTW, runway 1 is done, runway 2 about 80% and you can see some of the terminal buildings coming up as well.

Is it? Just did read that the first is planned to be completly finished in the fourth quarter of 2007 (I know that will be soon), so maybe just the lighting is missing or something.

Quoting RUHFlyer (Reply 8):
with 6 runways .. I am sure its gonna be ready

As far as I am concerned it will not be the runnway capacity at either JXB or DXB but the number of gates that can handle 110 A380s which would be a number of around 40-50 gates just for the A380 if they want to remain flexible with their planning and keep the great interconnectivity of all their flights.

GlobeEx



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31060 posts, RR: 87
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3052 times:
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Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 7):
Follow-on question: would JXB ready to handle 110 A380s?

Not according to Clark's latest comments.  Wink


User currently offlineGlobeEx From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 14):
Not according to Clark's latest comments.

Hell, that's what I mean, but was he really referring to JXB or DXB?


GlobeEx



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31060 posts, RR: 87
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3043 times:
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Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 15):
Hell, that's what I mean, but was he really referring to JXB or DXB?

I am sure it was JXB.


User currently offlineGlobeEx From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 742 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):
I am sure it was JXB.
Hm, that's what I thought, but somehow a bit strange. Building a brand new airport that already doesn't seem to be enough for EK.... But I mean, it won't be until 2020 that EK might (MIGHT!) have 100+ A380. But anyways... how many gates will EKs terminal have? ~100 A350/787 + 100-110 A380 they would need more than 100 gates,... that would be Impressive. Just imagine just around 100 airplanes of the same airline parked at gates. I don't know how many aircrafts FX hast at Memphis at the same time, but they are parked on the field anyway. Will be better than ATL just with WBs

GlobeEx

[Edited 2007-09-12 14:37:33]


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User currently offlineDabth747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2983 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 16):

But what do you do if A380 lands in JXB and someone has to connect from DXB and they need a visa and have bags? Surely even with the high speed rail link as someone mentioned they would need to clear customs immigration and than again on the other airport? assuming this is a split operation...what do you think?


User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

Quoting Dabth747 (Reply 18):
rail link as someone mentioned they would need to clear customs immigration and than again on the other airport?

I think this is the headache when splitting operations. I've experienced it tons of times on JL to YVR from NRT. I would fly into HND from either KIX or ITM with a four hour time span. Next thing, I am on a high-way bus from HND to NRT stuck in traffic and I arrive at the airport, twenty minutes before the flight departs. But I check in my bags, the plane holds at the gate for me but it causes anxiety for the other 449 pax on the plane.

I've seen similar instances at KIX. There were a group of people who had to connect to HKG, but because the domestic flight was experiencing mechanical problems, they got into a huge debate.

So this is the not so good part about operating at two airports that are so proximate to each other. And did they really confirm the more than 100 A380 order?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31060 posts, RR: 87
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2926 times:
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Quoting Dabth747 (Reply 18):
But what do you do if A380 lands in JXB and someone has to connect from DXB and they need a visa and have bags? Surely even with the high speed rail link as someone mentioned they would need to clear customs immigration and than again on the other airport? assuming this is a split operation...what do you think?

There would be a couple ways around it:

  • Do not allow inbound international connections at JXB/DXB with outbound international connections at DXB/JXB. That way, you never need to worry about it since every arrival at JXB/DXB would clear customs or connect via a sterile transit area to their next international flight in the same airport (like is done now at many international airports).
  • Have a dedicated "sterile" section prior to Customs & Immigration so you can transit inbound international connections to their international outbound connections without ever leaving the "sterile" area so they do not need to do C&I at DXB/JXB. So folks arrive at JXB/DXB, head to this area just prior to C&I, and board a bus or train that takes them directly to the departure area at DXB/JXB where they board their plane. You'd have to do this at dedicated international terminals at each end so the only way out was through C&I to prevent folks "back-tracking" to a domestic terminal where they could exit onto the street and bypass C&I.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 20):
Have a dedicated "sterile" section prior to Customs & Immigration so you can transit inbound international connections to their international outbound connections without ever leaving the "sterile" area so they do not need to do C&I at DXB/JXB.

On the link I gave above, there is a downloadable presentation. Slide 34 and 35.

Quote:
Dedicated corridor to link existing Dubai International Airport and DLC. Customs bonded and secured

On slide 36.

Quote:
Dubai Logistics City and DXB Airport will be linked by a dedicated corridor
- Road to DLC for air cargo shuttle
- Light rail to JXB for passenger transfer



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User currently offlineMeta From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 337 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

I am sorry for not knowing, but what does JXB stand for?

User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

JXB is the new airport that Dubai is building.

User currently offlineWsp From Germany, joined May 2007, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 14):
Not according to Clark's latest comments. Wink

He was commenting about the current situation at DXB:

http://www.finanznachrichten.de/nach...ichten-2007-09/artikel-8976814.asp

"The development of a second airport under construction in the bustling emirate will be a key factor in increasing the capacity of the fast-growing airline to handle more planes, he said."


On the airport link:
http://www.dubaiworldcentral.net/index.php?id=349

Quote:
Dubai World Central International Airport and the existing Dubai International Airport will be linked by a high speed express rail system

Regarding the switch over my understanding was that they first move non-EK airlines (or LCCs, don't remember) away from DXB to JXB to get more space for EK while JXB is being expanded. And then switch the whole EK operation in one step when JXB is fully operational.

BTW, for some look at the runway, Google Earth: Lat: 24.8876°, Long: 55.1764°


25 BigTom : JXB comes from Jebel Ali, where the new airport is situated. They have already planned a metro link between the two airports, according to projection
26 Post contains images YOWza : I agree that 380 ops will move to JXB, in fact all passenger traffic will eventually flip over and DXB will become a cargo airport, with facilities f
27 Post contains links Philzh : Here are a few, and the bottom one here might be interesting as well. Small photo here. (I hope this is not a repost; apologies if it is)
28 GlobeEx : Pretty impressive, however I still cant see, how EK will be able to accommodate over 200WBs (I know they don't have to at the same time, but I guess
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