WAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14844 times:
3xA346 is very good news. 14xA319s is another fine order for the A320 series. I Just got back from a trip on U2 using A319 equipment, an outstanding aircraft. Talking with some fellow U2 regulars its immediately obvious that the passenger preference lies with A319 over B737-700. Of course the airline couldn't care less but from a pax point of view I'm always happier to see the A319 with its quieter and more aesthetically pleasing cabin operating my flight.
DeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13767 times:
Quoting Gbfra (Reply 10): The A330F might very well sell even after EIS of the A350.
That seems to be the pattern, just look at Boeing. You milk the cow dill it drops dead and not a minute sooner.
The 330F will be a great freighter, and the 350 production will probably be devoted to passenger models for years. So it stands to reason ther 330F will be produced for quite a while after the 350 ramps up. I would not be suprised to see them sell passenger models on rare occasion after 350 EIS too.
Dont take life too seriously because you will never get out of it alive - Bugs Bunny
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12321 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10120 times:
Quoting Trex8 (Reply 17): what did Airbus do with the cancelled EK A346 order, there must have been long lead items produced for those planes by the time they were cancelled as some were due for delivery this year.
These slots were sold on to other carriers, one of the advantages of the A340 sharing a line with the 330. The A340 may not be selling that well, but the A330 ... wow! The A330 can't be got for love nor money (and Airbus tends to prefer money!) until at least 2009.
Re the comments above about "closing the line", I'm sure Zvezda is well aware that we were talking about the A340 model and that both types share the same line! Mind you, fifty more A340s; I may be wrong (and hopefully I will be), but I think that's very optimistic. I'd say 20 is more realistic - and I'd say even that's optimistic. Let's go through the list:
LH - maybe a few more, but I'd say unlikely, with 747-8 coming up. Next Airbus WB order probably for A350; could include a few A346s then.
IB - always a possibility, but in very small numbers
QR - unlikely; they will soon receive 77Ws
EK - very unlikely; now receiving 772LRs
VS - Has already ordered 789; Sir RB has said no more.
SQ - Almost definitely no more; 772LR will ultimately replace 345
IT (Kingfisher) - possibility, but again in v small numbers
CX - definitely not
SA - possibility, for A345s, but they're up the creek, financially, right now
TG - unlikely? A345s going, but maybe a few more A346s?
MU - don't know, but don't seem to be in any hurry. Maybe to replace A340-300s?
I may have missed one or two, but even from those, it's difficult to see 10 more, let alone 20 or 50.
Ncelhr From Vatican City, joined Jul 2006, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8294 times:
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4): I expect a trickle of A340 orders to continue for at least another three or four years. Airbus might sell another fifty A340s before they close the line.
As you rightly mention in a message you sent later, there are still plenty of A330s to manufacture, and a lot more likely to come (commercial & military programmes like A330 MRTT / Refuelling)
The A300 line is being dismantled. Buildings will be assessed size-wise and whether they are suitable for the A350 Final Assembly Line. It might be that the FAL is built elsewhere on the site in Toulouse & A300 used for sub-assembly.
In any case, A330/A340 assembly line is here to stay for at least another 10 years.
Glareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1294 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8030 times:
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 19): LH - maybe a few more, but I'd say unlikely, with 747-8 coming up. Next Airbus WB order probably for A350; could include a few A346s then.
I don't see the logic here. Eventhough you might be right that the next order will be the A350 I don't see what the 748 has to do with the 346. In fact LH ordered the last batch of 346 at the same time the 748 were ordered. The 748 is clearly filling the gap between the 346 and 388. If LH has needs for more capacity or new routes in the 300 pax ôn the shorter term they will most definitely order more A346 as they recently emphasized that they are very happy with the aircraft and that it is a very economical one as well.
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 19): SA - possibility, for A345s, but they're up the creek, financially, right now
Maybe I am paranoia but I fly IAD regularly and I every time see a SA A346 being parked at a remote stand. Is it always there or is it just to bridge a couple of hours in the schedule?
There's still a long way to go before all the alliances deserve a star...
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3364 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7968 times:
Quoting Ncelhr (Reply 21): The A300 line is being dismantled. Buildings will be assessed size-wise and whether they are suitable for the A350
I'm guessing that that's unlikely for the main assembly line as the A300 didn't fit in properly and had to be slotted in diagonally but a sub-assembly hall may be what it ends up as - or they could flatten the whole lot and build a new one
Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7026 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7968 times:
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 8): Have you heard of the A350? It will supersede the A330 and A340 and it will not be built on the same line.
I think the A330 will be build for some time for the following reason. The A350 is much more of a longhaul aircraft and the A330 is much better fitted for medium routes as the A350 is. Airbus has not an equivalent to the 787-3 but it seems it does not need, too. The 787-3 is not a big seller so far and it remains to be seen if UA, AA, DL and other will replace their domestic 767s and 757s with it .
The last year has shown that the A330 is still a very competitive aircraft and for airlines that does need the range of the 787 or A350 or have the need for freighter in that size still a very attractive airplane.
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
: The SA A346 is parked at IAD during the day. It arrives at IAD as SA 207 at 0600 hrs and departs at 1755 as SA 208 for JNB. I believe it is parked at
: The A300 line as it is today is definitely not suitable for an A350 final assembly line. Too small, linear. And the ATR and A320 lines are on each si
: The next big Airbus / Boeing order from LH will mostlikely also include orders for LX for replacment of A340's and also the A32S fleet is slowly agei
: Not this again It was continued because Airbus could sell it. Much in a similar way the 767 is still being built, and will be for some time to come.
: I'm afraid I've taken what I was told on here as fact about the hangers for the A300 being tiny - if I'm wrong I apologise!
: Yes, but I think the last A340 will be built years before the line closes. The A330 probably will outlive the A340 by several years. I would be very
: What a pile of rubbish. Had Airbus closed the line earlier they could have transferred any work being done on the A300 to the A332F, but there were s
: Not only were there orders up until the A300 line closed, but someone tried to place orders after the line had effectively closed and the suppliers h
: Indeed the LH/LX decision will be interesting. I can see some A32xs and Emb 190 for LH and LX to replace older A32x and 737s. Rumor is that LH has so
: Do you also believe FedEx and UPS take brand new freighters which they actually don't need? Not even that, but even the 400 sold mark and the 500 sol
: Agreed! Congrats to Airbus, Iberia and Volaris
: Back on topic: CSA Czech Airlines has ordered eight more A319s. http://wbztv.com/businesswire/APFN-E...-FIN-COM--Czec/resources_news_html
: By 2010 I would expect the first EMB 190's in LX's fleet and I gues LH has more older A32S models in their fleet so we will see quite a big order the
: I guess that has nothing to do with it. QR is expanding and have a A/C shortage. So I could see another order, probably only a few. Well, A.Net bigge
: Depends on what LH is ordering sizewise the 787-8 and -9 would make sense for LX. I think we will see one additional order for A32x from LH within th
: I doubt it. The A-350XWB series will also offer an A-350-900F, which will compete directly with the B-767-300ERF, B-777-200LRF, and A-330-200F. So wh
: True, for all the reasons you list, but I still think the A330 will sell for several years past the A340. Some airlines will not wait for 787s or A35
: AIRBUS ORDER UPDATE: (Official) Volaris x 14 A319 Private Customer x 1 A319 Private Customer x 1 A319 Aegean Airlines x 6 A320 Iberia x 3 A346 Total: