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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12595 posts, RR: 34
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15122 times:

Iberia has ordered three more A340-600s and Volaris of Mexico has ordered 14 A319s.

Source, Speednews.

With each new A346 order, I can't help wondering if it will be the last, but no doubt EY, QR etc will add a few more.

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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31420 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15103 times:
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The A340-600 is still a fine bird for those who operate her, so it makes sense to keep adding them as needed until they're ready to take "the next generation", be it from Airbus or Boeing or both.

User currently offlineWAH64D From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 966 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15019 times:

3xA346 is very good news. 14xA319s is another fine order for the A320 series. I Just got back from a trip on U2 using A319 equipment, an outstanding aircraft. Talking with some fellow U2 regulars its immediately obvious that the passenger preference lies with A319 over B737-700. Of course the airline couldn't care less but from a pax point of view I'm always happier to see the A319 with its quieter and more aesthetically pleasing cabin operating my flight.


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User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14978 times:

Well,in this case......

31 A320
14 A319
3 A340-600!!! within a week......  Silly



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14914 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
With each new A346 order, I can't help wondering if it will be the last

I expect a trickle of A340 orders to continue for at least another three or four years. Airbus might sell another fifty A340s before they close the line.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14797 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4):
I expect a trickle of A340 orders to continue for at least another three or four years. Airbus might sell another fifty A340s before they close the line.

Yup thoise orders will come from existing customers for those products.



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User currently offlineHloutweg From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14421 times:

I sadly misread at first and thought Volaris was buying A340-600s!  cloudnine  What a short lived dream!

Back to reality. I'm glad for the new orders specially for Iberia's. I wonder if IB would go soon for an order of A350s.



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User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5052 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14250 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4):
I expect a trickle of A340 orders to continue for at least another three or four years. Airbus might sell another fifty A340s before they close the line

Why would they close the line? The plane is built on the same production line as the A330...


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14191 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 7):
Why would they close the line? The plane is built on the same production line as the A330...

Have you heard of the A350? It will supersede the A330 and A340 and it will not be built on the same line.


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5052 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14153 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 8):
Have you heard of the A350?

No, never. Tell me all about it  Yeah sure

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 8):
It will supersede the A330 and A340 and it will not be built on the same line.

The same was said about the A300 when the A330 came along. Yet it remained in production for well over a decade after the A330 entered service.


User currently offlineGbfra From Germany, joined Sep 2006, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14140 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 9):
The same was said about the A300 when the A330 came along. Yet it remained in production for well over a decade after the A330 entered service.

The A330F might very well sell even after EIS of the A350.



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User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13942 times:

Quoting Gbfra (Reply 10):
The A330F might very well sell even after EIS of the A350.

That seems to be the pattern, just look at Boeing. You milk the cow dill it drops dead and not a minute sooner.

The 330F will be a great freighter, and the 350 production will probably be devoted to passenger models for years. So it stands to reason ther 330F will be produced for quite a while after the 350 ramps up. I would not be suprised to see them sell passenger models on rare occasion after 350 EIS too.



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User currently offlineFlysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12081 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 9):
The same was said about the A300 when the A330 came along. Yet it remained in production for well over a decade after the A330 entered service.

I believe that it was continued as a "jobs" program. Did the A300 ever reach the 300 sold mark?


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31420 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11998 times:
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Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 12):
Did the A300 ever reach the 300 sold mark?

Quite some time ago. Total orders and deliveries stood at 561 when the last plane rolled off the line.


User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3598 posts, RR: 66
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11167 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 7):
Why would they close the line? The plane is built on the same production line as the A330...

What does the A346 wing have in common with the A330?



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31420 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10978 times:
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Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 14):
What does the A346 wing have in common with the A330?

Both the A330 and A346 wing-body-join jigs fit on the same line?


User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10966 times:

IF finally IB gets more A-340's additional, LAX will be the Iberia newest destination  Smile Here, in Madrid there are rumors even about new adds for the 330

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 14):
What does the A346 wing have in common with the A330?

I'm afraid not many things.



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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4871 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10634 times:
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what did Airbus do with the cancelled EK A346 order, there must have been long lead items produced for those planes by the time they were cancelled as some were due for delivery this year.

User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 10471 times:

Congratulations to Airbus and Iberia. The A346 is my favorite airbus and I think its the sweetest Airbus ever made. Nice and long, very sleek, like a dragon.

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12595 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10295 times:

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 17):
what did Airbus do with the cancelled EK A346 order, there must have been long lead items produced for those planes by the time they were cancelled as some were due for delivery this year.

These slots were sold on to other carriers, one of the advantages of the A340 sharing a line with the 330. The A340 may not be selling that well, but the A330 ... wow! The A330 can't be got for love nor money (and Airbus tends to prefer money!) until at least 2009.

Re the comments above about "closing the line", I'm sure Zvezda is well aware that we were talking about the A340 model and that both types share the same line! Mind you, fifty more A340s; I may be wrong (and hopefully I will be), but I think that's very optimistic. I'd say 20 is more realistic - and I'd say even that's optimistic. Let's go through the list:

LH - maybe a few more, but I'd say unlikely, with 747-8 coming up. Next Airbus WB order probably for A350; could include a few A346s then.
IB - always a possibility, but in very small numbers
QR - unlikely; they will soon receive 77Ws
EK - very unlikely; now receiving 772LRs
VS - Has already ordered 789; Sir RB has said no more.
SQ - Almost definitely no more; 772LR will ultimately replace 345
IT (Kingfisher) - possibility, but again in v small numbers
CX - definitely not
SA - possibility, for A345s, but they're up the creek, financially, right now
TG - unlikely? A345s going, but maybe a few more A346s?
MU - don't know, but don't seem to be in any hurry. Maybe to replace A340-300s?

I may have missed one or two, but even from those, it's difficult to see 10 more, let alone 20 or 50.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9345 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 19):
Re the comments above about "closing the line", I'm sure Zvezda is well aware that we were talking about the A340 model and that both types share the same line!

Yes, it's a safe bet the last plane off the line will be an A330.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 19):
SQ - Almost definitely no more; 772LR will ultimately replace 345

SQ will not buy 777-200LRs to replace their A340-500s. They will be replaced by 787-9s or A350-900s.


User currently offlineNcelhr From Vatican City, joined Jul 2006, 359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8469 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4):
I expect a trickle of A340 orders to continue for at least another three or four years. Airbus might sell another fifty A340s before they close the line.

As you rightly mention in a message you sent later, there are still plenty of A330s to manufacture, and a lot more likely to come (commercial & military programmes like A330 MRTT / Refuelling)

The A300 line is being dismantled. Buildings will be assessed size-wise and whether they are suitable for the A350 Final Assembly Line. It might be that the FAL is built elsewhere on the site in Toulouse & A300 used for sub-assembly.

In any case, A330/A340 assembly line is here to stay for at least another 10 years.


User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1308 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8205 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 19):
LH - maybe a few more, but I'd say unlikely, with 747-8 coming up. Next Airbus WB order probably for A350; could include a few A346s then.

I don't see the logic here. Eventhough you might be right that the next order will be the A350 I don't see what the 748 has to do with the 346. In fact LH ordered the last batch of 346 at the same time the 748 were ordered. The 748 is clearly filling the gap between the 346 and 388. If LH has needs for more capacity or new routes in the 300 pax ôn the shorter term they will most definitely order more A346 as they recently emphasized that they are very happy with the aircraft and that it is a very economical one as well.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 19):
SA - possibility, for A345s, but they're up the creek, financially, right now

Maybe I am paranoia but I fly IAD regularly and I every time see a SA A346 being parked at a remote stand. Is it always there or is it just to bridge a couple of hours in the schedule?



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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8143 times:

Quoting Ncelhr (Reply 21):
The A300 line is being dismantled. Buildings will be assessed size-wise and whether they are suitable for the A350

I'm guessing that that's unlikely for the main assembly line as the A300 didn't fit in properly and had to be slotted in diagonally but a sub-assembly hall may be what it ends up as - or they could flatten the whole lot and build a new one


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8143 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 8):
Have you heard of the A350? It will supersede the A330 and A340 and it will not be built on the same line.

I think the A330 will be build for some time for the following reason. The A350 is much more of a longhaul aircraft and the A330 is much better fitted for medium routes as the A350 is. Airbus has not an equivalent to the 787-3 but it seems it does not need, too. The 787-3 is not a big seller so far and it remains to be seen if UA, AA, DL and other will replace their domestic 767s and 757s with it .
The last year has shown that the A330 is still a very competitive aircraft and for airlines that does need the range of the 787 or A350 or have the need for freighter in that size still a very attractive airplane.



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25 Swallow : The SA A346 is parked at IAD during the day. It arrives at IAD as SA 207 at 0600 hrs and departs at 1755 as SA 208 for JNB. I believe it is parked at
26 Jonathan-l : The A300 line as it is today is definitely not suitable for an A350 final assembly line. Too small, linear. And the ATR and A320 lines are on each si
27 LXA340 : The next big Airbus / Boeing order from LH will mostlikely also include orders for LX for replacment of A340's and also the A32S fleet is slowly agei
28 Post contains images Scorpio : Not this again It was continued because Airbus could sell it. Much in a similar way the 767 is still being built, and will be for some time to come.
29 Scouseflyer : I'm afraid I've taken what I was told on here as fact about the hangers for the A300 being tiny - if I'm wrong I apologise!
30 Zvezda : Yes, but I think the last A340 will be built years before the line closes. The A330 probably will outlive the A340 by several years. I would be very
31 EI321 : What a pile of rubbish. Had Airbus closed the line earlier they could have transferred any work being done on the A300 to the A332F, but there were s
32 Zvezda : Not only were there orders up until the A300 line closed, but someone tried to place orders after the line had effectively closed and the suppliers h
33 Columba : Indeed the LH/LX decision will be interesting. I can see some A32xs and Emb 190 for LH and LX to replace older A32x and 737s. Rumor is that LH has so
34 Post contains images PlaneHunter : Do you also believe FedEx and UPS take brand new freighters which they actually don't need? Not even that, but even the 400 sold mark and the 500 sol
35 Post contains images Stickers : Agreed! Congrats to Airbus, Iberia and Volaris
36 Post contains links Scorpio : Back on topic: CSA Czech Airlines has ordered eight more A319s. http://wbztv.com/businesswire/APFN-E...-FIN-COM--Czec/resources_news_html
37 LXA340 : By 2010 I would expect the first EMB 190's in LX's fleet and I gues LH has more older A32S models in their fleet so we will see quite a big order the
38 Post contains images OHLHD : I guess that has nothing to do with it. QR is expanding and have a A/C shortage. So I could see another order, probably only a few. Well, A.Net bigge
39 Post contains images Columba : Depends on what LH is ordering sizewise the 787-8 and -9 would make sense for LX. I think we will see one additional order for A32x from LH within th
40 KC135TopBoom : I doubt it. The A-350XWB series will also offer an A-350-900F, which will compete directly with the B-767-300ERF, B-777-200LRF, and A-330-200F. So wh
41 Zvezda : True, for all the reasons you list, but I still think the A330 will sell for several years past the A340. Some airlines will not wait for 787s or A35
42 WINGS : AIRBUS ORDER UPDATE: (Official) Volaris x 14 A319 Private Customer x 1 A319 Private Customer x 1 A319 Aegean Airlines x 6 A320 Iberia x 3 A346 Total:
43 Express1 : [Edited 2007-09-12 21:04:21]
44 Da man : Dude, this is the Airbus orders thread.
45 Express1 : i've recorrected the quote. dave
46 Gigneil : An A350-900F will not compete at all with the smaller, shorter ranged A330-200F. They are in different size classes. Also, there is no such plane as
47 Post contains links WildcatYXU : The Slovak newspaper SME just brought news about OK: OK is converting 8 A 319 options to orders. The aircraft should be delivered in 2011-2012. Link t
48 NA : As for the A346 one should not forget that the aquisition cost is some 10 million lower than buying a 773ER. The 773 might use less fuel and might be
49 Post contains images SKY1 : and how! Certain poster very well known in this forum even said (at the end of 2004) for the summer in 2005 SQ will have the 772LR
50 Post contains links Worldrider : Quoting: PARIS (Thomson Financial) - EADS unit Airbus said Hong Kong Airlines firmed up an order made in June for 30 single-aisle A320 jets and 20 lon
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