Asuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2369 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2907 times:
Poor loads and yields. They used a mix of A320s and A319s.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22021 posts, RR: 51 Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2738 times:
Its not just LAX-JFK, they also ran LAX-BOS & IAD plus SFO-JFK & BOS
To put it mildly, HP had their aXXes handed to them in the market. They simply could not get much traction in these very competitive markets. HP strayed out its LAS & PHX niche and failed. Somewhat similar to all the various Mexico and Canada flying it has tried from LAX over the years.
Apodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3634 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2603 times:
Doug Parker was asked about this recently at a town hall. Basically the route became too competitive for them to want to operate, and with JFK being their smallest NYC destination, don't look for them to restart, especially with JetBlue competing to three LA airports, and Delta, United and American all flying the route.
However Parker also said that if the perimeter rules at LGA were ever lifted, they would strongly consider serving LAX from LGA.
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2304 times:
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22021 posts, RR: 51 Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2278 times:
Quoting Apodino (Reply 4): However Parker also said that if the perimeter rules at LGA were ever lifted, they would strongly consider serving LAX from LGA.
And so would AA, DL, UA etc... HP/US again would be on the loosing end of that battle.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2173 times:
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 6): And so would AA, DL, UA etc... HP/US again would be on the loosing end of that battle
Yes sir. AA, DL and UA would kick the crapp out of US on the New York-Los Angeles market...
HPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 3661 posts, RR: 8 Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1938 times:
Quoting Juventus (Reply 5): You sure, poor loads?? I used to commute from LAX, always looked full to me. I had to sit in the cockpit most of the time.
From what I've heard, the loads weren't bad at all. It was more a matter of an A319 vs. multiple 757s and even 767s from other airlines. Why even try to compete?
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1916 times:
My understanding is that the HP transcon services ran with very good loads......the problem was that the flights were filled with pax travelling on very low (unprofitable) fares and the flights were therefore losing money. Remember, its not only UA and AA that compete on the transcons, CO offers many flights out of EWR, DL was trying to increase its share of these markets with its Song product during this period, and JetBlue had already established itself in these markets. Lots and lots of seats on offer.....the result being bargain fares. HP, with its one or two flights per day on each route, could not hope to compete with the legacies for higher yeilding business pax, and had little to offer the leisure pax when compared to the product that Song and JetBlue were offereing. At the end of the story, the A32Xs flying the transcon routes were not generating enough revenue and HP got out of this very difficult and competitve market.
HP tried something, it did not work out, and moved along.
N77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1583 times:
Quoting Apodino (Reply 4): Doug Parker was asked about this recently at a town hall. Basically the route became too competitive for them to want to operate, and with JFK being their smallest NYC destination, don't look for them to restart, especially with JetBlue competing to three LA airports, and Delta, United and American all flying the route.
However Parker also said that if the perimeter rules at LGA were ever lifted, they would strongly consider serving LAX from LGA.
Quoting HPRamper (Reply 8): Quoting Juventus (Reply 5):
You sure, poor loads?? I used to commute from LAX, always looked full to me. I had to sit in the cockpit most of the time.
From what I've heard, the loads weren't bad at all. It was more a matter of an A319 vs. multiple 757s and even 767s from other airlines. Why even try to compete?
What nobody is considering is that HP wasn't offering anything that wasn't already offered in the market; a differentiated product, alliance tie-in and codeshares, and the lack of first/business lounges in the terminals that bookended the routes.
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