Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Why Did US Cancel JFK-LAX  
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3034 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

Berfore America West merged with US, they operated JFK-LAX. Why did US cancel it? What was the flight number? What was the aircraft? When did it end?


E135/E140/E145/E70/E75/E90/CR2/CR7/717/732/733/734/735/73G/738/752/753/762/772/319/320/321/333
10 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineAsuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2371 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

Poor loads and yields. They used a mix of A320s and A319s.

User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
Why did US cancel it?

HP cancelled it well before the merger, Also HP is running US now, not the other way around.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24834 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

Its not just LAX-JFK, they also ran LAX-BOS & IAD plus SFO-JFK & BOS

To put it mildly, HP had their aXXes handed to them in the market. They simply could not get much traction in these very competitive markets. HP strayed out its LAS & PHX niche and failed. Somewhat similar to all the various Mexico and Canada flying it has tried from LAX over the years.

Here are some threads on the subject a couple years back.
HP Ends Non-hub Transcons (by Padcrasher Jul 4 2005 in Civil Aviation)
HP Comes To Realize Transcon Is Overcrowded (by AirlineFanatic Aug 19 2004 in Civil Aviation)
HP's New Transcon Point-To-Points (by Jetbluefan1 May 21 2004 in Civil Aviation)



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3498 times:

Doug Parker was asked about this recently at a town hall. Basically the route became too competitive for them to want to operate, and with JFK being their smallest NYC destination, don't look for them to restart, especially with JetBlue competing to three LA airports, and Delta, United and American all flying the route.

However Parker also said that if the perimeter rules at LGA were ever lifted, they would strongly consider serving LAX from LGA.


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3199 times:

Quoting Asuflyer05 (Reply 1):
Poor loads and yields

You sure, poor loads?? I used to commute from LAX, always looked full to me. I had to sit in the cockpit most of the time.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24834 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 4):
However Parker also said that if the perimeter rules at LGA were ever lifted, they would strongly consider serving LAX from LGA.

And so would AA, DL, UA etc... HP/US again would be on the loosing end of that battle.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3068 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 6):
And so would AA, DL, UA etc... HP/US again would be on the loosing end of that battle

Yes sir. AA, DL and UA would kick the crapp out of US on the New York-Los Angeles market...


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4036 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2833 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 5):
You sure, poor loads?? I used to commute from LAX, always looked full to me. I had to sit in the cockpit most of the time.

From what I've heard, the loads weren't bad at all. It was more a matter of an A319 vs. multiple 757s and even 767s from other airlines. Why even try to compete?


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

My understanding is that the HP transcon services ran with very good loads......the problem was that the flights were filled with pax travelling on very low (unprofitable) fares and the flights were therefore losing money. Remember, its not only UA and AA that compete on the transcons, CO offers many flights out of EWR, DL was trying to increase its share of these markets with its Song product during this period, and JetBlue had already established itself in these markets. Lots and lots of seats on offer.....the result being bargain fares. HP, with its one or two flights per day on each route, could not hope to compete with the legacies for higher yeilding business pax, and had little to offer the leisure pax when compared to the product that Song and JetBlue were offereing. At the end of the story, the A32Xs flying the transcon routes were not generating enough revenue and HP got out of this very difficult and competitve market.

HP tried something, it did not work out, and moved along.


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2478 times:

Quoting Apodino (Reply 4):
Doug Parker was asked about this recently at a town hall. Basically the route became too competitive for them to want to operate, and with JFK being their smallest NYC destination, don't look for them to restart, especially with JetBlue competing to three LA airports, and Delta, United and American all flying the route.

However Parker also said that if the perimeter rules at LGA were ever lifted, they would strongly consider serving LAX from LGA.



Quoting HPRamper (Reply 8):
Quoting Juventus (Reply 5):
You sure, poor loads?? I used to commute from LAX, always looked full to me. I had to sit in the cockpit most of the time.

From what I've heard, the loads weren't bad at all. It was more a matter of an A319 vs. multiple 757s and even 767s from other airlines. Why even try to compete?

What nobody is considering is that HP wasn't offering anything that wasn't already offered in the market; a differentiated product, alliance tie-in and codeshares, and the lack of first/business lounges in the terminals that bookended the routes.


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Why Did UA Cancel ORD-DEL? posted Tue May 1 2007 00:54:56 by FreequentFlier
Why Did US Re-register Their A330s posted Fri Sep 15 2006 09:02:44 by Col220
Why Did TK Cancel IST-BOM 9/12 posted Wed Sep 13 2006 08:22:52 by Gokmengs
Why Did US Drop FLL? posted Mon Sep 11 2006 02:42:30 by Usair320
Why Did Eagle Stop Flying LAX-PSP posted Mon May 9 2005 23:32:42 by RampRat74
Why Did US File On A Sunday? posted Mon Sep 13 2004 03:43:10 by PROSA
Why Did LH Cancel PHX posted Sun Jan 11 2004 14:47:31 by AirBerlin
Why Did AA Cancel The EWR-LHR Run? posted Tue Aug 12 2003 02:51:57 by Tommy767
Why Did AC Cancel Flights To NRT, Not HKG Or P posted Wed Apr 30 2003 19:58:01 by Samurai 777
Why Did US Order The A320's, Etc.? posted Sat Oct 6 2001 08:28:19 by YoungDon