Jcavinato From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 516 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3108 times:
What an amazing document. Thanks so much for it. Some things stand out:
* How many flights by three carriers from ORD-MSP, and being so close in departures and arrivals
* Meals on just about every flight
* Many carriers no longer in existence (Peoples Express).
* Dominant market service (e.g., PIT-ORD by USAir) and now with regionals
Question: weren't there any nonstops to London or Paris back then? A lot of Mexican market flights are shown, but no European ones. Just curious.
TWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 636 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2961 times:
Ssides,
I know that since AA and UA had hubs in Chicago at the time they would have tons of flights at ORD- much like today. What I was interested in was the other airlines and how big of an operation they had going in Chicago. Because unlike today, where airlines only fly to Chicago from two or three of their own hub cities, many airlines had pretty good sized operations here. Sorry for the confusion.
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 26 Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2888 times:
Quoting Ssides (Reply 3): Ummm ... is that complete? I have a hard time believing that AA didn't have any ORD flights in '85
AA and UA did. The post stated "other than AA".
AA and UA were the big dogs in 85 and 86 at ORD as they are today.
safe
If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
WA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2042 posts, RR: 13 Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2664 times:
I really enjoyed reading it - I apologize for not posting a comment.
I particularly liked seeing the widebodies in red!
3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2652 times:
Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 7): Anyone else? This took way too long to just fade away in less than 24 hours. There is some interesting stuff here... take a look.
Very cool, thanks for the effort. Quick question: did the NW flights to TPA not also change on Dec 18? Most of the rest of the destinations have schedule changes then, and I'm pretty certain 750/751 switched to a DC10 for one more season 85/86.
Indio66 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 474 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2652 times:
What's with the Eastern flights leaving for LA and EWR in the middle of the night (was this their cargo specials?)
ImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1230 posts, RR: 14 Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2628 times:
Pretty funny to look back and see how much has changed. Almost comical to see such things as PA's 747 ORD-DTW or NW's 747 ORD-MSP. After the merger with "Herman" NW really slashed their ORD presence.
EA still had their little MCI mini-hub going. Used A-300's to the West Coast from ORD to try to make some money on the route against the likes of AA/CO/TW/UA.
Fun to see the likes of BN,EA,PA,PI,TW. Really miss them.
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough!"
CactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 29 Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2615 times:
This is fascinating. I even found a couple of Eastern and Delta flights I took around that time period.
It would have been cool to see what AA and UA had going on as well as the International stuff but that would have been a real monster to put together I'm sure.
TWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 636 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2609 times:
Indio66,
The late night Eastern A-300's to EWR and LAX in the middle of the night were part of Eastern's "Moonlight Special" operation where they carried cargo at night (as you said) and also carried passengers for very low fares with no-frill service. At that time most of the Moonlight flights were routed through Houston but in 1987 Eastern moved the operation up to ORD, but it was short lived due to noise complaints.
3201,
NW 750/751 did not show an upgrade to a DC-10, maybe you are thinking of MKE service which utilized a DC-10 to TPA for a short time each winter.
ImperialEagle,
You are right about NW after the RC merger. I have a timetable from early March, 1987-- only months after the merger and the NW service out of ORD (Now this in only out of memory since I don't have the timetable in front of me) was to MSP, DTW, MEM, BOS, SEA, ICT, NRT, and mabe one or two others. But all the domestic widebodies were done by that point. Really kind of sad actually. I looked at the schedule for Northwest Orient from one month before the merger and just before the "Orient" part of the name was dropped and service was very similar to what it was like in my 1985 OAG document with widebody flights still flying in and out of ORD. Like I said- Very Sad.
TWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 636 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2599 times:
3201,
You may also be thinking of NW 719 from ORD-MIA which operated with DC-10's. Just a thought, but who know... Maybe the OAG was wrong or had a misprint (Which was not unheard of).
3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2573 times:
Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 13):
NW 750/751 did not show an upgrade to a DC-10, maybe you are thinking of MKE service which utilized a DC-10 to TPA for a short time each winter.
The winter widebodies to TPA varied from year-to-year, but I really thought the 85/86 winter was the year that MKE, ORD, and DTW were all DC10 and MSP was 747, along with a 757 from BOS and a 72S from CLE. I could be off by a year, maybe it was 84/85.
TWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 636 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2545 times:
AA767Lover,
I will be happy to answer your JFK question. Now please know that I have several OAG's from 1/85, 12/85, 9/86, and 11/88.
3201,
I will take a look at the other two OAG's from 1/85 and 9/86 to see if there is DC-10 service from ORD to TPA. Just give me untill tomorow since I am not at home right now.
Gman3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2535 times:
Anyway you can post the AA and UA routes? Or even just the UA routes? As a UA FA , I would like to see what has changed over the years!
AA767LOVER From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2007, 551 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2456 times:
TWA 1985,
I sent you a private message for your information.
Gman3, you are a very considerate person. Your information helps save TWA1985 lots of time by being very specific.
J.I. Tsui, American Advantage Member, United Mileage Plus (Premier)
TrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2099 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2448 times:
Great job on the chart. I like how you put the widebodies in red. It really goes to show how great things were back then. Large selection of nonstop service, meals on board, defunct airlines, and plenty of widebodies (and tri-jets)
Makes you wish you can go back to that era; given by how much things have changed, for the worse.
Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 17): Now please know that I have several OAG's from 1/85, 12/85, 9/86, and 11/88.
Gman3 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2381 times:
[quote=AA767LOVER,reply=19]Gman3, you are a very considerate person. Your information helps save TWA1985 lots of time by being very specific.[/quot
If I wasn't clear i meant from the same schedule from ORD. I just wanted to see where UA flew nonstop and with what equipment and compare it to my flying schedule of today.
TWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 636 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2371 times:
Gman3,
I will gladly look up the info you requested. Let be just be sure I am understadning you clearly. You just want a list of destinations served and equipment, correct. Not the actual times, meals, frequencies, etc?
Me thinks Chicago-O'hare has many more nonstop destinations today than it did in 1985.
25 Gman3: Thanks for your help! I meant I would like to see exactly what you did with the other airlines in the chart but showing just United's info! And if it
26 Timz: Sounds like a good bet. The 5/85 N Amer OAG shows nonstops to ORD from 161 airports, so the total couldn't have been much more than 170. Should be we
27 TrijetsRMissed: Sure, from UA and AA. Me thinks you'll have a hard time finding a selection of 3-5 carriers flying mainline equipment on a many routes today. Now the
28 Ogre727: Is there a separate table for international flights?
29 EXAAUADL: Overall probably..however, dont forget thanks to slots a lot of cities lost service to ORD in the 1980s..like: Terre Haute, IN Bloomington, IN Layfet
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