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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1544 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

I did a search and couldn't find anything on this, I thought I'd report. I was on flightaware checking one of my recent trips and checking other happenings at the airport. I noticed that FL380 was a 737, which I didn't think too much about because sometimes they replace equipment if the previous flight canceled, etc. I was a bit curious, though, so I checked out FL's web site. It seems that FL380 (and the inbound as well, of course) has been upgraded to a 737 every day. I was pretty excited about that, but the news got better. They also upgraded their Monday MCO flight to a 737 as well (Wednesday is still a 717, and I didn't check Friday or Saturday). LAS is of course still a 737. Does anyone know if there really is this much demand, or are they just maybe trying to compete more with the expansion of G4 into new markets around MLI? By all means, I'm very excited, and I love seeing airplanes with greater than 50 seats flying out of MLI, but do you think FL can keep up with 1 daily 737 to ATL and 1 weekly to MCO? I hope everything stays the way it is, as it's nice to see the extra capacity. Does anyone know when they decided to add the 737s? I didn't hear anything on the news or read anything in the papers, it just showed up one day! Thanks for the help.

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User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3539 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

Quoting Acey559 (Thread starter):
By all means, I'm very excited, and I love seeing airplanes with greater than 50 seats flying out of MLI, but do you think FL can keep up with 1 daily 737 to ATL and 1 weekly to MCO?

They can until Delta throws 6x E-170s per day at them...



What do you guys think Delta will do to compete against FL @ MLI?



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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

There were talks when I worked for OH this past summer about us getting our 170s back and maybe possibly even CR7s from ASA. Last I talked to my boss nothing more was said, but he's been getting calls from EV and Shuttle about whether or not we "could handle a 70 seater" if the need arose. I don't know if anything is going to happen, or if they would just up the total flights with CRJs. We also had an MCO flight when I worked there in the summer of '06, but they didn't add that one back in the schedule. I definitely can't see DL backing down, but I also like the extra capacity that FL is giving us. I guess time will tell, but I don't want to get into the battle we had a couple summers ago with billboards and ads about supporting FL and how DL was the devil that wanted to kick FL out of MLI. I am partial to DL because I worked for them and I want to fly for them, but I hope it works out that extra capacity can be added without any or many ill effects. But like I said, time will tell.

User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3539 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 2):
There were talks when I worked for OH this past summer about us getting our 170s back and maybe possibly even CR7s from ASA.

That's the key - I don't think they can compete with just CR2s...they need the...well, if not the "heavy" iron...at least the heavier iron. People do notice AirTran's larger planes.

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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

UD is good. Recent reports are of us getting a new fleet with glass, but I'll believe it when I see it. Other than that just flying and enjoying the scenery the incoming freshman class brought. I see you're not flying, so did you decide to use your communication degree instead?

User currently offlineTWAL10114ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

Quoting Acey559 (Thread starter):
I did a search and couldn't find anything on this, I thought I'd report. I was on flightaware checking one of my recent trips and checking other happenings at the airport. I noticed that FL380 was a 737, which I didn't think too much about because sometimes they replace equipment if the previous flight canceled, etc. I was a bit curious, though, so I checked out FL's web site. It seems that FL380 (and the inbound as well, of course) has been upgraded to a 737 every day. I was pretty excited about that, but the news got better. They also upgraded their Monday MCO flight to a 737 as well (Wednesday is still a 717, and I didn't check Friday or Saturday). LAS is of course still a 737. Does anyone know if there really is this much demand, or are they just maybe trying to compete more with the expansion of G4 into new markets around MLI? By all means, I'm very excited, and I love seeing airplanes with greater than 50 seats flying out of MLI, but do you think FL can keep up with 1 daily 737 to ATL and 1 weekly to MCO? I hope everything stays the way it is, as it's nice to see the extra capacity. Does anyone know when they decided to add the 737s? I didn't hear anything on the news or read anything in the papers, it just showed up one day! Thanks for the help.

That's great to see FL adding the 737 in the MLI market. Having grown up in the MLI area, I can still remember the days when the HP 733 and 73S, the United 72S and 73S, the NW D9S and the TWA D9S would visit MLI on a daily basis. These days it is pretty much all RJ's with the exception of FL. I also worked for the original FL in MCO (prior to the ValuJet merger) back in 1996 and 1997 and I was one of two agents who came to open up the MLI station when FL began service from MCO-MLI and DSM with the 73S. For some reason back in the original FL days, MLI wasn't a very strong station in regards to passenger numbers, but it wasn't long after we opened the station that the merger with VJ took place. I'm really glad to see FL still strong in MLI. Without them there, fares would probably be outrageous!


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

Quoting TWAL10114ever (Reply 5):
That's great to see FL adding the 737 in the MLI market. Having grown up in the MLI area, I can still remember the days when the HP 733 and 73S, the United 72S and 73S, the NW D9S and the TWA D9S would visit MLI on a daily basis. These days it is pretty much all RJ's with the exception of FL. I also worked for the original FL in MCO (prior to the ValuJet merger) back in 1996 and 1997 and I was one of two agents who came to open up the MLI station when FL began service from MCO-MLI and DSM with the 73S. For some reason back in the original FL days, MLI wasn't a very strong station in regards to passenger numbers, but it wasn't long after we opened the station that the merger with VJ took place. I'm really glad to see FL still strong in MLI. Without them there, fares would probably be outrageous!

I agree! Even though I'm up at school now I'm glad to know that there are bigger planes back home. Even though I'm a die hard DL fan, and want to fly for them some day, I'm still thankful for what FL has done at MLI. True, if it weren't for them we probably wouldn't be breaking passenger records almost every year, so I'm very thankful for that. I'll definitely have to take a trip around the airport when I fly home this weekend.  Wink


User currently offlineMli717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Flying on FL next week to go visit a friend in JAX. I won't get the chance to fly on my first 737-NG though, I'm on all 717s. It's all good though, I love em.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to be disappointed if they sub in a 73G though.


User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1934 times:

Keep in mind that FL routinely moves aircraft around throughout the year; because you have a 737 now, you may be back to the 717's in a month or two. I've seen this plenty of times out of FNT (Flint Michigan). Earlier this year, FNT-MCO & return was strictly 717's. Sometime around April IIRC, it was then 737's. July/August it was 737 and 717 mix. A few weeks ago it was strictly 737's. Guess what is now; strictly 717.

Same thing on our 4-5 flights (6am, not in the mood to lookup how many we have, I believe we have 5 nonstops to ATL via FL). Depending on the time of the year, 4 of the 5 are 717's, with 1 737. Then a few months later, 4 are 737's and theres 1 717 flight. Just responding to market demand, really.

But nonetheless, if you're seeing a 737 scheduled for MLI, it'll likely fade in and out of the MLI market depending upon time of the year. If it goes away, it'll be back in a few months.

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 1):
What do you guys think Delta will do to compete against FL @ MLI?

Nothing. Expect the standard ASA CR2's 4x daily. The only thing DL may do is add a 5th daily, but thats likely due to market demand, not in response to AirTran.

Take my hometown market for example; FNT, which has larger passenger base than MLI. AirTran has added a lot of capacity; just a year or two ago it was all 717's. Now most of our flights throughout the year are 737's. DL has added nothing, except a 5th daily FNT-ATL flight. We're still all CR2's to ATL, with difference in aircraft in years. The DL flights are leaving out full, too. I always wonder if they'd add a CR7 on 1-2 flights to FNT, but, I have my doubts, as they havent done so already.



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User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

MLI was seeing delta conx E-70s for a little while... then they added more flights, but all on CRJs. Now, if I'm not mistaken, they've dropped us back down to 4x CR2. Maybe they will pick things up again this winter, but I doubt it.

Personally, I like both AirTran and Delta/Comair. I've had nothing but very good experiences flying on those airlines. It's too bad they both fly to ATL, as I could really use some westbound connections (w/o backtracking). I had a horrible experience on United/TED last winter and really wouldn't mind if I never flew on them again!

Oh well, I'm just happy to see something besides a 50-seater at MLI, it kind of reminds me of the good old days.


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3539 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 9):
Oh well, I'm just happy to see something besides a 50-seater at MLI, it kind of reminds me of the good old days.

Yeah man, I miss the daily 2x 727s to Denver in the mid 90s, and even after those stopped, I miss the Bae-146 to ORD and DEN (from PIA).

And of course, the heyday of MLI (at least in terms of equipment) was the 80s, when on a given day you could see all the midsize single aisle aircraft (minus the 75), the Bae-146, and assorted regional turboprop aircraft.



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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 9):
MLI was seeing delta conx E-70s for a little while... then they added more flights, but all on CRJs. Now, if I'm not mistaken, they've dropped us back down to 4x CR2. Maybe they will pick things up again this winter, but I doubt it.

There has been talk of getting the 170s back, but nothing concrete yet. There was the period last winter/spring when we had 5x ASA and Freedom with CRJs and ERJs. I don't know anything for sure, but I still talk to my co-workers at OH on a fairly regular basis, so I'll post if I find anything out.

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 9):
It's too bad they both fly to ATL, as I could really use some westbound connections (w/o backtracking).

There was talk of DL adding SLC service a while ago, but as I was told, this was in the middle of the FL/DL war at MLI and evidently some people upset DL with the whole "Fly AirTran" campaign. I'm glad FL stayed, but SLC service would have been great. Nothing was set in stone, but from what I heard we were on the brink of getting service, but it didn't work out I guess. However, I do agree that it is wonderful to have some bigger aircraft back at MLI.


User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

SLC service would have been awesome, and I could certainly see a market for it, esp when UAX was 1x daily to DEN. Even just a CR2 to SLC would have been nice, especially since I'm a huge skier.

With the FL/DL war at MLI, I thought it was kind of amusing that they were actually going at it over us. I mean I remember when AA bought TWA and it seemed like they halved our capacity.


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1635 times:

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 12):
With the FL/DL war at MLI, I thought it was kind of amusing that they were actually going at it over us

Yeah, I thought it was kind of funny, too, but it got kind of old after a while. All the propaganda and what not was pretty pointless, but I guess it all worked out.


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

Quoting Acey559 (Thread starter):
but do you think FL can keep up with 1 daily 737 to ATL and 1 weekly to MCO?

For Oct I'm seeing 3x ATL-MLI


User currently offlinePlanespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3539 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1605 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 14):
For Oct I'm seeing 3x ATL-MLI

Varying 737/717 equipment?



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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1544 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1570 times:

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 14):
For Oct I'm seeing 3x ATL-MLI

Sorry, I meant 1 737 flight, not just one flight a day. I'll have to proofread my posts before I post to avoid confusion.  Wink

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 15):
Varying 737/717 equipment?

I believe so. According to airtran.com, in October, LAS is obviously still a 737, ATL is still 2x 717 and 1x 737, and MCO is a 737 on Monday but a 717 on Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday. So the good news is that we'll have them for at least a little while longer.


User currently offlineFlymli From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1501 times:

FL is doing very well at MLI with load factors through August at over 78%. July 2007 was at 89% but all carriers this summer had high load factors. MLI has had 8 record months in a row for 2007 so there is a tremendous market here. LAS is picking up each day with the 737 and September will most likely be a record setting month by the looks of the packed public parking lot. CID is doing well also so their is tremendous market stimulation due to low fares and both airports are doing well. .

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