CPHGuard From Denmark, joined Jun 2006, 254 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 21017 times:
The accident in VNO should according to the newspaper have happened at 01.48 danish time, which is 52 minutes ago.
SAS don't have any word, about what has happened yet.
This is really unbeleivable after the accident only two days ago in AAL.
If something similar to the AAL accident has happened, it could mean the end of the Dash8 with SAS.
This is of course purely speculation at this point.
JustPlanes From United States, joined Apr 2006, 687 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 20946 times:
Regarding Scandinavian Airlines flight SK2748
Scandinavian Airlines regrets to confirm that one of its aircraft, a Dash 8-400
(Q400) with flight number SK2748 from Copenhagen to Palanga was involved in an
accident at Vilnius Airport, at 01:48 hrs local time today.
Although no further details of the accident are available at the moment we can
confirm that there are 48 passengers and 4 crew onboard. All passengers where
evacuated after landing.
Scandinavian Airlines has decided to ground it entire Dash8-400 fleet until
further notice.
The media information center can be contacted at the following number:
+46 8 797 29 44
CPHGuard From Denmark, joined Jun 2006, 254 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 20917 times:
Even though it is pure speculation and no facts are available yet, i think it's pretty safe to conclude that when SAS use the word ACCIDENT in their press release, we are talking about something with hull damage.
I'm pretty sure in the present situation, they would use the word incident, if it was "just" a safety landing.
SAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 528 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 20875 times:
there must be something within SAS thats causing this? I will never set my foot on SAS,s Dash8,s! The day after the crash at AAL a SAS dash had to go back due to some kind of trouble,they transferred all passenger to a second Dash and ALSO!! this one had to turn around due to some sort of trouble and when SAS offered a THIRD! dash some of the passenger,s said enough is enough...and now this?? Unbelievable.
Aleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 2995 posts, RR: 35 Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 20707 times:
Quoting CPHGuard (Reply 1): If something similar to the AAL accident has happened, it could mean the end of the Dash8 with SAS.
Well, it is too dramatic. I remember the serious problems DC-10s used to have when all were grounded. SAS planes, too, but they were not withdrawn completely.
You might be right. But there has been an incredible media-hype against the Dash8 in Denmark the last couple of days, when it has surfaced how many problems the type has suffered with SAS.
Of course it depends on the severity of the accident in Vilnius.
I just think, that the way SAS has written their press-release, points towards something rather serious.
But i guess we just have to wait and see...
DJEmbraer From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 37 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 20344 times:
Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 6): there must be something within SAS thats causing this?
I really think that's something the investigators should say, not 'experts' on a website... sorry, but you don't know that what you've said is true, so perhaps it shouldn't be said just yet?
This is really unfortunate, two Q400s in 3 or 4 days, poor SAS must be hurting. Great news that everyone got out ok both times, albeit with a few minor bumps and bruises... and congrats to the crews for making that happen!!
Any firm news on what happened??? Any response from other Q400 operators, other groundings???
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 10829 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 20207 times:
Quoting CPHGuard (Reply 21): Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 19):
I wonder how Bombardier will respond to this.
They will probably respond with their usual arrogance.
If that was the case I wonder why several other major operators seem happy enough with their Q400s to place significant further orders after initial experience with the type. Horizon ordered another 15 last May to add to their original 33. And flybe, the largest customer to date with 60 on order and another 15 options, has placed at least two further orders since they first put the Q400 into service.
SAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 528 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 20139 times:
Quoting DJEmbraer (Reply 22): really think that's something the investigators should say, not 'experts' on a website... sorry, but you don't know that what you've said is true, so perhaps it shouldn't be said just yet?
Well,it was not a statement from my side, We have 2 identical crashes were the right main gear fail to do what its supposed to do,there for i made that question! Its a bit odd that only SAS is struck by this in such a short period of time.
44k From United States, joined Aug 2007, 285 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 20076 times:
Apparently it was a malfunction of the right side landing gear. After the malfunction was deteced mid-flight, the crew decided to divert to VNO, since the runways there are longer. Upon landing aircraft left the runway but everyone was evacuated safely. Untill the aicraft scene is cleared, VNO will not accept any incoming flights, however, flights will be allowed to take off. Source: http://www.lrytas.lt/?id=11895690711188600715&view=4
Navigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 266 posts, RR: 23 Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 20000 times:
According to swedish newspapers the accident in Vilnius is similar to the Aalborg accident. SAS has grounded the Q400 fleet finally. In the last week a number of other incidents have been reported regarding SAS Q400:s. The confidence in the quality of the Q400 is eroding in Scandinavia and travellers are starting to avoid the plane.
Please note that the "next of kin" number cannot be used for customers who wish to rebook flights. Passengers who wish to rebook flights should contact the place of purchase.
"Just checking to see if my family is ok... oh, and can you set me up with tomorrow's 9AM instead of the 7AM?"
Navigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 266 posts, RR: 23 Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 19766 times:
Quoting T prop (Reply 30): I see in that press release that Bombardier is recommending all Q400's with more than 10,000 cycles worldwide be grounded... Not good.
This is a major problem for Bombardier and has been so for a while. SAS has been asking Bombardier to address the problems with the Q400 for years without result. The pilots are referring to the Q400-panel as the christmas tree. They say that you can expect any light to blink on the Q400 at any time without any cause. The plane has a very bad reputation now.
It seems it is more of a manufacturing problem for Bombardier rather that a maintenance problem at SAS. It also seems other carriers are having problems as well even if they have newer planes where AD:s and other modifications have been incorporated during manufacturing and are thus better qualitywise.
Scandinavian Airlines regrets to confirm that one of its aircraft, a Dash 8-400
(Q400) with flight number SK2748 from Copenhagen to Palanga (Lithuania) has been involved in an accident. The aircraft experienced technical difficulties and the crew decided to divert to Vilnius Airport (Lithuania) where the accident occurred at 01:36 hrs local time today.
Although no further details of the accident are available at the moment we can confirm that there are 48 passengers and 4 crew onboard. All passengers were evacuated after landing and no injuries are reported.
A team of specially trained SAS personnel is currently on its way to Vilnius to assist all passengers and crew.
The Canadian manufacturer of Dash 8-400, Bombardier, is in the process of developing an inspection programme. As a precautionary measure, Bombardier is highly recommending that all aircraft worldwide of this type with 10,000 landing gear cycles or more will be grounded until the recommended inspection is carried out.
Scandinavian Airlines and Widerøe have already decided to ground the entire fleet of Dash 8-400 aircraft until further notice. No aircraft will be released for operations until these inspections have been carried out on all aircraft.
All tickets on Scandinavian Airlines flights booked until Sunday 16 September may be rebooked. Inquiries about rebooking shall be directed to the place of purchase.
This is an article (Swedish only) which in one paragraph states that Bombardier has grounded ALL the Q400's as a result of the last days incidents. Is this only a rumor or is it true?
"Den kanadensiska tillverkaren Bombardier har dessutom bestämt att alla flygplan av typen Dash 8-400 ska beläggas med flygförbud, uppger Ritzau. Orsaken är de senaste dagarnas olyckstillbud."
"The Canadian manufacturer Bombardier has decided that all airplanes of the Dash 8-400 type will be grounded, according to Ritzau. The cause is the last days incidents."
26 PAViking: The Canadian manufacturer of Dash 8-400, Bombardier, is in the process of developing an inspection programme. As a precautionary measure, Bombardier i
27 Navigator: Better late than never... Bombardiers earlier reluctance to solve the serious Q400 problems that have been going on since first delivery to SAS is st
28 JohnKrist: Another lucky escape, a damaged hull is cheap as long as no lives are lost. 2 almost identical accidents in 3 days with the same aircraft type within
29 Eric: Bloomberg link for those who want to read it in English http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...100&sid=aqnduksVnJPo&refer=germany
30 BrianDromey: Indeed, kudos to the crews at SAS. Two ACCIDENTS in three days and everyone got off the airraft in one piece. Aren't a lot of SK's Q400's early model
31 OA260: Very worrying indeed. Im glad they have grounded the A/C. Until at least a full investigation is carried out. SK will ruin their reputation if this ha
32 Ncelhr: I wonder what SK will do to restore public confidence in flying in Dash8s. Might they need to go as far as looking at quickly replacing those with CRJ
33 Basefly: This is bad for SK. They will have to rethink their whole short distance network, and this comes when SK is feeling the pressure from the likes of Fin
34 BALandorLivery: From ASN: The nose and right main gear reportedly could not be extended or could not be locked on approach to Palanga. The crew decided to divert to V
35 Fraport: Any information on the reg of the aircraft involved?
36 AlexPorter: I wonder if this will affect Frontier's Lynx here in the U.S... actually I also wonder if it had anything to do with its certification troubles as of
38 Treg: One of the Q400s is sitting here at TLL. Empty ferry flight back to ARN?
39 CPHGuard: SAS were the launch customer of the Q400. They took delivery of the first 8 production aircraft. The aircraft are registered LN-RDA to LN-RDH. Howeve
40 Mika: The one at AAL wasnt one of the first eight (LN-RDA-RDH), it was RDK IIRC. Good question though; which DH8 ship was the one involved in this latest i
41 SupraZachAir: I certainly hope Lynx's Q400's don't have 10,000 cycles on them before service has even begun! As for QX, only 2 aircraft have >10,000 cycles. Still,
42 CPHGuard: The crashed aircraft in AAL was NOT one of the first 8. Apparently the aircraft in VNO is LN-RDS, according to : http://aviation-safety.net/index.php
43 Lxlgu: Hi all! From what I can find out was LN RDS Cheers! Tony
44 Mika: I have to say that i have never seen anything like this; two major incidents within the same airline during the duration of 3 days, plus the two fligh
45 Basefly: I would say that if that turned out to be the case, it would be the biggest scandal in Scandinavian aviation, and would surely spell the end of SK as
46 TheGreatChecko: Either the other airlines have much better PR departments that can cover for these incidents or there is something seriously wrong with the Q400's at
47 Basefly: There have been loads of problems with this bird, Austria and Japan spring to mind. This has been an awful aircraft to operate for SK and others.
48 Mika: It surely would put another nail in the coffin that is for sure, as does every new strike that SAS has to face, and as did these two crashes. There a
49 Swiftski: My mistake, sorry. FWIW no flights are bookable on SK's Dash8 routes ex LCY until Sunday.
50 TheSonntag: I work at a law firm which only recently flew to CPH. On the way back to DUS on saturday, before the first accident, they had to return to CPH after t
51 BT001: some photos of VNO accident: http://www.alfa.lt/straipsnis/150004 + some video interviews (in lithuanian which I do not speak).
52 Konrad: Since OS Austrian Airlines / Austrian Arrows is another important Q400 operator (10 DH4 aircraft), I just checked todays departures from Vienna. Guess
53 Bennett123: Not clear who would want to sabotage them or why. There is a difference between being disgruntled and this.
54 BT001: to RIX Dash changed to F100 today for OS693/694.
55 CPHGuard: According to the Kalmar report, released by the swedish investigation board a couple of weeks ago, different operators of the Dash8 Q400 has joined f
56 Treg: Found some other photos (source: lt-vacc.org): http://kimis.albireo.lt/d/6507-1/SAS+Dash+Q400+002.jpg http://kimis.albireo.lt/d/6510-1/SAS+Dash+Q400+0
57 CPHGuard: First picture of LN-RDS in VNO http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/article.php/id-8491984.html?forside The article states that SAS confirms the accident aircraft
58 Christopherwoo: I'm not totally sure, but I think this is a video of the plane caught crashing? released a day or two ago.... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ed8_11893
59 CPHGuard: You beat me to it At least it was close to the fire-station.....
60 Peh: QantasLink is inspecting its seven but none of the aircraft have completed anywhere near the 10,000 cycles that would prompt them to be grounded. htt
61 CPHGuard: It is the AAL crash on September 9th 2007.
64 Ellehammer: Some news from the Lithuanian official who will be responsible for investigating the crash at Vilnius airport (via Danish newspaper Politiken): http:/
65 BT001: more pictures of SAS aircraft resting in VNO airport: http://www.lrytas.lt/?id=11895690711188600715&view=4
66 TheSonntag: I know thats cynical, but sounds like the first crash was the practice for this one... Good to hear everybody made it out safely.
67 ZKSUJ: Wow. Q400 has been having a very very bad run in recent months. Two SAS in 3 days, Jeju airlines not long ago etc etc... Flybe has also grounded their
68 ASMD11: It's more than that, 19 of the 33 q400s QX has have reached the 10,000 cycle mark. And serious shuffling is already happening.
69 Ellehammer: " target=_blank>http://www.lrytas.lt/?id=11895690711...iew=4 Damn', imagine what the passengers on the other plane landing there must feel when they s
70 VV701: They grounded their six aircraft that had over 10,000 cycles in line with the Bombadier directive. By 11.30 BST today all these aircraft had been ins
71 CPHGuard: Pretty strange. Just saw an interview with SAS vice-CEO John Dueholm. He said that Bombardier was working on an inspection plan, and that they had to
72 Mika: At least it was close to the fire resuce.. Either FlyBe did it on on their own iniative, did a sloppy inspection, or SAS has it all wrong. It's gotta
73 CPHGuard: According to danish media, Bombardier has grounded all aircraft with more than 10000 landings. I can't find anything on the Bombardier website, so ma
74 JoKeR: Bad news for SAS and Bombardier, I wonder if this will affect any current orders for Q400 - will OU now consider another type... perhaps the AT7?
75 Harry71: According to their latest press release Austrian Airlines grounded 8 of their 10 DHC-8-400Q in the fleet until further notice following a Bombardier
76 TransIsland: Spiegel.de reported that Bombardier RECOMMENDS that airlines ground all aircraft of the Q400 series with more than 10,000 landings. Only the Q400. Ho
77 Finlander: Hello! This sounds very untrue... to similar incidents, almost accidents, in three days, same A/C type. Is here any guys or girls who are familiar wit
78 CPHGuard: You got lucky I'm a little confused now. It definitely seems like Bombardier actually HAS recommended to ground the Q400's Which model is FlyBe opera
79 Krushny: A related thread about Q400 groundings : Flybe Ground 6 Planes On Landing Gear Checks http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main
80 TristarSteve: Bombadier has recommended grounding older aircraft. SAS has grounded its whole fleet, which includes the oldest Q400s flying. The flybe aircraft are
81 SmoothDash7: This is what it actually says on Flybe site: After the initial disruption to Flybe’s programme outlined below, we are pleased to report that today
82 CPHGuard: You got a point there. I beleive someone stated that it was only 5 of their aircraft that had accumulated more than 10.000 landings, so maybe they ju
83 BuyantUkhaa: It does seem they improved the procedure, doesn't it? They probably read Prebennorholm's suggestions...
84 CPHGuard: Pure speculation but: LN-RDK and LN-RDS are both part of the 2nd delivery from Bombardier to SAS. Even though the airplanes are 6-7 months younger tha
85 LX001: Austrian Airlines has grounded all their (8) Dash8-400Q! 20 flights are affected of this. Some will be flown by other types and the rest will be cance
86 Swaopsusafatc: I wonder if this will effect the Colgan purchase of the Q400 for the Continental Connection routes. Did it mention anywhere how the landing gear faile
88 KaiGywer: Take this for what it's worth, but I remember SAS mechanics calling the Q400 "Libresse" (menstrual pad brand..). Reasoning being: it has wings it's r
89 Spartanmjf: From Bombardier - Statement Bombardier Makes Recommendations Following Recent Q400 Aircraft Right Main Landing Gear Incidents Toronto, September 12, 2
90 Spartanmjf: AS is advising passengers of flight cancellations as a result of pulling specific Horizon Q400 aircraft for immediate inspection.
91 AirPacific747: I just talked to a doctor today who said that whenever he meets SAS Q400 pilots that need to get their medicals renewed and they have to answer whethe
92 DABTH747: OS has just grounded its fleet of Dash 8 also!! Lots of poor passengers are affected and flights are cancelled!
93 DABTH747: forgot to post the press release! AUSTRIAN AIRLINES TEMPORARILY REMOVES DASH 8-400 AIRCRAFT FROM SERVICE Affected flights will partly be carried out w
94 Aleksandar: Honestly, I simply don't trust media when aviation is concerned. Especially non-specialized ones. Well, now we have reasons to worry. Hmmm, I just wa
95 CEO@AFG: Horizon Air has posted a press release about the landing gear checks: http://www.alaskasworld.com/Newsroom...s/QXstories/QX_20070912_050737.asp
96 AirlineBrat: No Horizon Air flights in or out of Arcata this morning. This morning's QX ACV-RDD-LAX and LAX-ACV-RDD-PDX flights have been canceled. Last night's f
97 Riptide: "Once inspection specifications for Q400 operators are received, Horizon will initiate its checks of certain Q400s. The inspections are purely precaut
98 EMA747: This is really bad for SAS. I would certainly not hesitate to fly SAS, their pilots and cabin crew are obviously very well train as there have been no
99 OHLHD: http://www.aua.com/at/eng/Austrian/n...EA98D-1666-44A5-8EA5-F20A6FE70F7C} The release was already posted, but with this link there might be more news
100 Awschucksflyer: here is a link on CTV news in Canada..... http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...ier_070912/20070912?hub=TopStories
101 Bennett123: Emergency landings!!!. You have to love the media. David
102 Luxair: What about Luxair? They received 2 new ones over the last couple of weeks, did they ground them? Sounds not too good for Luxair, taking a new type of
103 Captainsimon: May have already been posted but here is a video of the landing! http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,30000-1283783,.html
104 CPHGuard: I guess that Bombardier has to find out VERY soon, what has been at fault on the Q400's. All Q400's worldwide with more than 10000 cycles will have be
105 BT001: " target=_blank>http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/vi....html FYI this is not video of Vilnius accident.
106 Prebennorholm: Probably not. I don't think that SAS crews take advice from me. But it is correct that Monday evening I wondered why (or even slightly blamed captain
107 OHLHD: http://www.luxair.lu/cms/luxair.php?page&p=EN,5462,,,, Luxair says no affects on their ops.
108 Navigator: Firstly everyone knows that this is a problem for the manufacturer Bombardier since SAS has followed all relevant inspection routines. SAS has specif
109 SWAOPSusafATC: I assume your a dispatcher.. Did they both have unsafe gear indications, I know the first one did but what about the second? I was also wondering why
110 Prebennorholm: Sterling Airlines have today done some SAS work. They have done some SAS European routes (Dublin, Athens, Paris at least) that way freeing up other S
111 Spartanmjf: In an emergency situation, it can be easy to second guess the PIC. Aircraft bend -- people break. Neither pilot's first priority was to insure the re
112 BuyantUkhaa: http://jp.dk/indland/article1082293.ece Edit: regarding the VNO plane, not sure, but probably not, as the nr.2 engine had been stopped prior to landi
113 Riptide: I have seen more detailed pictures of the first crash taken on site, one partial blade is indeed imbedded into the fuselage however although it appea
114 Basefly: I read today as Prebennorholm states, that Sterling will cover some of the SAS traffic, but interestingly that SAS is looking for short AND long term
115 Basefly: One American passenger on the AAL plane was injured in his back when it was hit by propeller fragment entering the cabin.
116 Prebennorholm: Wrong. IT service delivery professional in an oil company. No specifics about indications have been released to public. So I don't know. At the AAL a
117 SWAOPSusafATC: I agree with the crews priorities were but one thing I think of as a pilot myself is the possibility that the blade could separate and seriously inju
118 SWAOPSusafATC: The way you wrote the post made it seem like you were involved in the decision making process. My mistake.
119 Riptide: Was there another hole in the fuse? I could only see a blade root with maybe 1/4 of the blade imbedded into the kevlar shield, with one the one penet
120 Prebennorholm: Unfortunately it didn't work like that (Notice: We are here taking about the AAL accident last Sunday). I didn't know that the Q400 has a kevlar shie
121 Acelanzarote: Well if Anyone was looking at the DASH 8-400 to buy they 'may' think again. However with ATR full of orders for a while at least? there is not much ot
122 Prebennorholm: The Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten has all day long reported extensively on their web site about these accidents. BTW we have also seen at least one
123 Bennett123: I think that it is safe to say that the VNO pilot was better prepared, however given what happened at AAL, this is no great surprise.
124 Prebennorholm: Just for info: Q400 prop speed is more 950 RPM-ish. Max uncontrolled overspeed where engine must be shut down is 1071 RPM. Both approaches were "extr
125 SWAOPSusafATC: Oh okay I was just using -100/200/300 prop speeds (I knew they had different props on the Q400 but didn't research the engines) Good info![Edited 200
126 Alessandro: Well, in the first crash, one passenger hurt his hand from debris that penetrated the fuselage, one lady hurt her leg as well...
127 Zvezda: I landed at VNO on the 11th and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.
128 AirPacific747: Perhaps because this occured at about 1 am on the 12th?
129 Thomson735: Flybe's FLeet of Dash8's have been grounded
130 SupraZachAir: Yeah, I was misinformed last night when word first got out. I think what was meant to be told was that 2 of the 19 a/c were RON in SEA last night. My
131 F9Animal: Again, fine work done by the flight crews. I am glad to see airlines that operate the Q400 taking steps to ground their fleets to ensure there is not
132 44k: Video of the VNO accident aftermath: http://www.lrytas.lt/videonews/?id=11896095651187620067&sk=1 Appears to be identical to the AAL accident.
133 Palladium: There is a video showing the plane land and gear collapse after touch down. Link website: http://www.king5.com
134 Western727: I remember this while growing up in Seattle. I can't recall whether the gear collapsed either, nor was I able to find a report on this online. Can an
135 Ariis: Hi there, this may be natural, but I have just heard that NH is grounding two of its Q400's (the two having 10000+ cycles). Best regards FAO [EDIT] So
136 Haggis79: now that must have been some hellish four hours for the pax....
137 Western727: Found it... http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR89-02.pdf
138 T prop: The main purpose of the shields is to protect the fuselage pressure shell from damage due to impact of ice thrown from the propeller blades. They may
139 Tristarsteve: " target=_blank>http://www.king5.com That is the Aalborg video. You will notice it is daylight. VNO happened after midnight
140 9252fly: Considering all the hysteria in Scandinavia about the Q400's,perhaps it's best for SK to get rid of the aircraft. One can a make the reasonable assum
141 HuskyAviation: Checked for what though? Do they even know what they're looking for? I wouldn't feel so great if I had to get on a Q400 right now as a passenger just
142 Prebennorholm: Dear Riptide, as mentioned before this kevlar shield failed completely to such a degree that penetrating propeller parts still had energy to bounce o
143 Prebennorholm: WE don't know what they are looking for. No details about the failure has been released. But it is rumored that a preliminary report will be issued f
144 Viscount724: Not everyone walked away from it. A few passengers were seriously injured and one had a severed aorta. Had rescue personnel and the airport fire crew
145 Prebennorholm: From Danish newpaper Jyllands-Posten: Commuter Club: The Dash 8 Is A Lemon They pay some $24,000/yr for flying between CPH and AAL. Anyway the commute
146 SDLSimme: Even if they would get rid of them, where would they find 24 other planes that would fit in? Is there a large used market or would they have to order
147 JohnKrist: The Bombardier website now states that all Q400 with more than 8.000 cycles, or over 4 years old should be grounded for inspection of the the landing
148 F9Animal: Gotcha. It was one of those off the tip of the brain file, and I should have said that everyone survived.
149 Basefly: I cant really see where SK should get replacement aircraft from. It looks like they are in it for the long haul restoring confidence again in the Q400
150 Bennett123: The only types that would sort of fit the bill, are not too old and are proably available would be BAE146-200 or RJ85's. There is not a lot out there.
151 Bennett123: Having looked further, there are only two large groups of BAE146/ARJ, which are Cityjet and Flybe. Given that Flybe were replacing them with Q400, tha
153 DYflyer: Perhaps a couple to Wideroe. The Q400 seems to work well for them (even the one that they got from SAS earlier this year). They are also expecting a
154 OHLHD: BTW Lufthansa grounded all of their Q400 as well yesterday and they should be in services again already. A quote from their site: Entire fleet of Bomb
155 Bennett123: The quote does not say that are being returned to service. It says "replacement of the Dash-8 operations by other aircraft" David
157 Ellehammer: Could be a coincidence, but since there are Danes involved I think not: the commuter club name SK-AAL doesn't just mean SK (SAS) flying to AAL (Aalbo
158 Mika: While at work today i heard on the swedish radio that SAS could be returning the Dash 8s to service as early as tomorrow (read today since it's passed
159 BuyantUkhaa: Wow, that's creative! Just hoping that they won't have any incidents then because of other causes, because if they do, they're in deep trouble...
160 RIXrat: Good morning moderators, What happened to my posts, including the official English translation of the Danish CAA which preliminary blamed it on a rust
161 RIXrat: And I quickly apologize to the mods. I posted this answer in the wrong forum. Mea culpa! RIXrat
162 Bennett123: Interesting report on www.aviation-safety.net
163 Bennett123: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6992549.stm News of more groundings.
164 Tristarsteve: SAS are going to ferry the aircraft back to ARN or CPH with the gear locked down for inspections in the hangar.
165 OkAY: I read from a Finnish newspaper that the reason for the accident in AAL was a missing bolt in the landing gear. Whose fault would this be then? okAY
166 Farzan: SAS is not returning the Q400 into regular service. The gear down flights are ferry flights to nearest maintenance center only. Cheers
168 KaiGywer: Read in the Norwegian newspaper VG that corrosion was to blame. No English translation that I could find, so you just have to take my word on it VG.no
169 CPHGuard: Preliminary Report On SAS Q400 Accident In AAL (by CPHGuard Sep 14 2007 in Civil Aviation)
171 Riptide: A little background info Well on a historical note, I mentioned in an earlier post, that the Q400 was the first in the Dash 8 line of aircraft that wa
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