Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
TAM Changes At MXP And CDG  
User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Posted (7 years 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3366 times:

Dear all,

From 22nd of December on, TAM will change the aircraft operations at MXP and CDG.

MXP will be operated with 02 frames and will become night flights operated with MD11.

CDG will continue to have 03 flights per day, but all of them with A332. So JJ8096/97 will no longer be operated with MD11 as it goes to MXP.

It was scheduled to MXP to operate with the A332 but due to very good loads of cargo out of MXP it was decided to keep the MD11 at MXP.

FRA is on track to start 30th November with A345.

Cheeers,

17 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1597 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

A345?
are they brand new or inherited from another airline?



AF TW AA NW DL UA CO BA U2 TP UX LH SK AZ MP KL SN VY HV LS SS TK SQ PC RG IW SE
User currently offlineAFC_Ajax00 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

If memory serves, the A345s will be coming from Air Canada.


Once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward; for there you long to return
User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3184 times:

A345? How can this make money? Fuel burn must be insane, and LH is powerful.

User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3162 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 3):
A345? How can this make money? Fuel burn must be insane, and LH is powerful.

I guess the A345 fits their ops best ( Cockpit communality, etc ) and there is enough traffice for JJ and LH from FRA.  Smile They are coming from AC.


User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3132 times:

Quoting JJMNGR (Thread starter):
From 22nd of December on, TAM will change the aircraft operations at MXP and CDG.

MXP will be operated with 02 frames and will become night flights operated with MD11.

CDG will continue to have 03 flights per day, but all of them with A332. So JJ8096/97 will no longer be operated with MD11 as it goes to MXP.

It was scheduled to MXP to operate with the A332 but due to very good loads of cargo out of MXP it was decided to keep the MD11 at MXP.

FRA is on track to start 30th November with A345.

Any specific dates for the new services to MAD & MVD??


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1597 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3030 times:

Quoting AFC_Ajax00 (Reply 2):
If memory serves, the A345s will be coming from Air Canada

bedankt!

Quoting AF022 (Reply 3):
A345? How can this make money?

if they had the machines at discounted price, maybe there's amargin for profit + tanks will not be full at take off from GRU therefore lower fuel burn at T.O. (at least I believe....)  Wink

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 4):
I guess the A345 fits their ops best ( Cockpit communality, etc )

that's also a positive aspect towards profit



AF TW AA NW DL UA CO BA U2 TP UX LH SK AZ MP KL SN VY HV LS SS TK SQ PC RG IW SE
User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3013 times:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 4):
I guess the A345 fits their ops best



Quoting Varig md-11 (Reply 6):
that's also a positive aspect towards profit

I forgot to mention that these birds available immediately. I guess it is much harder to get a 777 or a 332.  Smile


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3169 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 3):
A345? How can this make money? Fuel burn must be insane, and LH is powerful.

Although the A345 might not perform as well as the 77W, it's still a very modern and capable aircraft. I'd be largely surprised if the A345, with a similar payload, would consume more than a MD-11, for example. Besides that, the A345, with it's relatively high MTOW, will likely be able to carry a lot of cargo in it's hold. And LH is flying the A346, not such a different aircraft  Smile


User currently offlineFoxXray From France, joined May 2005, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2974 times:

Isn't CDG supposed to be the first TAM's 77W destination ?

User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1597 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2959 times:

Quoting FoxXray (Reply 9):
Isn't CDG supposed to be the first TAM's 77W destination ?

you bet it is!!!!!  Wink
two 77W could replace the 3 A332 a day



AF TW AA NW DL UA CO BA U2 TP UX LH SK AZ MP KL SN VY HV LS SS TK SQ PC RG IW SE
User currently offlineVbeltraJJ From Brazil, joined Apr 2007, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

And we could say that there´s plenty of room in the A340´s for cargo and a huge demand of it between Brazil - Germany.

Regards,

Victor


User currently offlineFoxXray From France, joined May 2005, 385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting Varig md-11 (Reply 10):
you bet it is!!!!!
two 77W could replace the 3 A332 a day

Ok thanks for the information !


User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 5):
Any specific dates for the new services to MAD & MVD??

MVD arround 20th of October and MAD possible to start 28th December...

The 77W will not go to CDG. The first 04 frames probably will fly to LHR and FRA and the A345 would move to MXP as the MD11 will keep in the fleet only until delivery of the B77W.


User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1597 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2631 times:

problem posting see below
sorry

[Edited 2007-09-13 08:26:42]


AF TW AA NW DL UA CO BA U2 TP UX LH SK AZ MP KL SN VY HV LS SS TK SQ PC RG IW SE
User currently offlineVarig md-11 From France, joined Jul 2000, 1597 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2631 times:

Quoting JJMNGR (Reply 13):
The 77W will not go to CDG. The first 04 frames probably will fly to LHR and FRA

sorry but it's not too logical....
LHR just started once a day with A332 and FRA is starting 30/11/07 and will have to compete with LH.
the interest of FRA is that you have to be a star alliance member to benefit from the hub, so was RG and so is not JJ

on the other side CDG sees 3 flights a day an MD-11 + 2 A332 + there's a codeshare agreement with AF not only on GRU-CDG but also on connecting flights!

do you have a source indicating the 77W will start on FRA or LHR?



AF TW AA NW DL UA CO BA U2 TP UX LH SK AZ MP KL SN VY HV LS SS TK SQ PC RG IW SE
User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

But JJ has entered into a cooperative agreement with LH so they will benefit from thre FRA hub.

User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

TAM will receive 04 frames and initially to LHR and than the other 02 to FRA.

Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
New Runway At MXP And New North Italy Airport posted Fri Jun 1 2001 16:13:46 by Airblue
Delta At Frankfurt And CDG posted Wed Feb 2 2000 00:12:00 by DeltAirlines
BA Changes At LCY - New To MXP posted Wed Mar 15 2006 10:58:16 by FRALIM
TAM Incident At CDG (Pics) posted Mon Nov 7 2005 23:00:23 by Brasuca
Tonight A 2nd TAM A330 At CDG - Why? posted Thu Jul 15 2004 01:30:41 by Mozart
Immigration And Security At LHR, AMS, CDG. posted Mon Mar 22 2004 08:13:34 by Netdhaka
SQ Reduced ZRH And Other Changes At ZRH ... posted Thu Apr 10 2003 11:50:13 by Swissgabe
Spotting At MAN And Or CDG posted Tue Dec 24 2002 11:48:08 by Godbless
Changes In Aeromexico And MX Schedules To EZE posted Tue Aug 28 2007 04:50:36 by Argentina
New Berlusconi's Force One A319 Parked At MXP T2 posted Sat Aug 18 2007 03:38:34 by Aclco