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United Launches LAX-FRA Nonstop  
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 14548 times:

Short notice and odd to launch a Europe route in the winter, however being hub-to-hub flyings its a low risk venture.

Eff 15December

UA904 LAX-FRA 1725-1325+1 777
UA905 FRA-LAX 1520-1814 777

Nicely complements LH LAX-FRA services, and adds to the double daily UA services from SFO.


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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 14514 times:

Blimey, never saw that one coming, good news, wonder where that 777 is coming from?

Being selfish I look forward to them announcing LHR-DEN asap from March next year!


User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 14498 times:

Finally another European destination from LAX to Europe with an american carrier other than to LHR, about time.


"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" Samuel Johnson
User currently offlineFumitani From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 14475 times:

I believe the aircraft is coming from the suspension of KIX-HNL service and KIX-SFO changing to 747 and HKG-ORD going from 10x weekly to 1 daily...

it should give UA enough time to change the seats to the new generation first and launch it.

Oct 27th until Dec 14th...that will give some time


User currently offlineAznCSA4QF744ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 14454 times:

Wow that's a shocker, Great news for UA. Too bad the B777 will be in the old config.

User currently offlineWeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 14371 times:

Quoting Fumitani (Reply 3):
I believe the aircraft is coming from the suspension of KIX-HNL service

When was this announced?!? Is it a permanent drop or is this just temporary?!?


Exciting to see more LAX flying though!!


User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4965 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 14327 times:

I hope this doesn't undermine SAN's attempts to attract LH... Otherwise, nice to see UA expanding at LAX, I love travelling on their international configured 777s.


Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 14308 times:

Yep, LAX seems to be coming back more and more on the radar for UA......great stuff!

User currently offlineSQ325 From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 1454 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 14110 times:

So i won t be surprised if LH will suspend their second daily flight they are operating in the Summer schedule.
LEaves LH one Longhaul ACs more for next summer.
So maybe LH will start SAN with this one. A roundtrip FRA-SAN-FRA could be done in the same time.


User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 14020 times:

How do the UA timings work with the LH timings...
The UA flight will also get feeder traffic off of NZ's AKL services



What?
User currently offlineFumitani From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 13955 times:

Quoting WeAreUnited (Reply 5):
When was this announced?!? Is it a permanent drop or is this just temporary?!?

I don't remember the exact date, but it has been known since June.

UA is cancelling all flights that don't make money and redeploying aircraft on routes that make profit for them


User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 802 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 13946 times:

Quoting Fumitani (Reply 10):
UA is cancelling all flights that don't make money and redeploying aircraft on routes that make profit for them

Sounds like a good business policy... wonder why this didn't happen in the past???



What?
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 13906 times:

Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 2):
Finally another European destination from LAX to Europe with an american carrier other than to LHR, about time.

That's what I was thinking. Great news. Unbeliveable, only MaxJet, AA and UA fly to one European city from the largest O&D airport in the world. I was hoping DL would launch LAX-CDG, but they've announced CDG from Salt Lake, oh well.

Any other possibilities, maybe Northwest, LAX-AMS, does the A330 have the juice to make it non-stop??? (now I'm day dreaming)


User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 13635 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 12):
Quoting LAXspotter (Reply 2):
Finally another European destination from LAX to Europe with an american carrier other than to LHR, about time.

That's what I was thinking. Great news. Unbeliveable, only MaxJet, AA and UA fly to one European city from the largest O&D airport in the world.

Don't want to disrespect anyone but I assume your excitement about US carriers doing LAX-Europe is based just on american pride since it's well known that european carriers serving LAX (AF, BA, LH, VS, etc) provide much better service than their american counterparts.

Personally, I'm OW and there is no way I'd fly US-Europe on AA when I can do BA. Same thing between UA and LH for STAR members.



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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 13553 times:

Quoting SQ325 (Reply 8):
LEaves LH one Longhaul ACs more for next summer.
So maybe LH will start SAN with this one. A roundtrip FRA-SAN-FRA could be done in the same time.

Read the thread on LH and SAN. No suitable aircraft and runway limitations at SAN. If San Diegans want nonstop service, then move to a city that has it.

SAN In Talks With Lufthansa (by Trvlr Sep 12 2007 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9803 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 13462 times:

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 13):
Don't want to disrespect anyone but I assume your excitement about US carriers doing LAX-Europe is based just on american pride since it's well known that european carriers serving LAX (AF, BA, LH, VS, etc) provide much better service than their american counterparts.

While that is commonly believed, the service differences between UA and LH aren't that great. I've flown both in all three classes, and it depends on class of service for who is better.

Economy: For elites UA wins hands down. UA has economy plus which is far superior with its 34-36' pitch. Even for members that aren't elite, UA at least has PTVs on all long haul international flights currently.

Business: LH has a lie flat seat that is newer and nicer to UA's traditional seat. Food wise, they are pretty similar. On board service goes to LH though. Lounge service is pretty meaningless since you get the same lounge access when you fly either airline.

First: LH has the edge due to its amazing ground services such as the first class terminal at FRA. It has superior lounges. However on board there is less difference. UA has a better seat. It has more features, much more storage and is a lot more private. LH has good on board service.

*One big difference is if you don't speak English. Lufthansa crews all speak English and German and often other languages. United crews rarely speak anything other than English and you'll only have a few flight attendants on board with language skills compared to what you get on LH.



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User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 13366 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 15):
Economy: For elites UA wins hands down. UA has economy plus which is far superior with its 34-36' pitch. Even for members that aren't elite, UA at least has PTVs on all long haul international flights currently.

Not on the 747s.


User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 13347 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 15):
UA at least has PTVs on all long haul international flights currently.

Save for every single 747 flight in Y...



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User currently offlinePA101 From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 13296 times:

Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 9):

How do the UA timings work with the LH timings...

Looking good!

UA goes as follows:
UA904 LAX-FRA 1725-1325+1 777
UA905 FRA-LAX 1520-1814 777

while LHs yearly round LH 456/457 have these times:
LH 457 LAX-FRA 1445-1015+ 744
LH 456 FRA-LAX 1005-1235 744

Their summer only LH 450/451 seems to be replaced by UA though:
LH 451 LAX-FRA 1830-1415+ 744
LH 450 FRA-LAX 1350-1625 744

However, doesn't the 1-daily year-round service always use numbers 450 and 451?


User currently offlineStylo777 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 3020 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 13262 times:

Quoting Aerohottie (Reply 9):
How do the UA timings work with the LH timings...



Quoting Laxintl (Thread starter):
UA904 LAX-FRA 1725-1325+1 777

in my opinion the timings are not the best for the LAX inbound to FRA, because all flights to the Middle East, the Indian sub-continent including Pakistan as well as ALA, TSE and GYD depart around the same time the flight arrives at FRA (between 12.30 - 14.00hrs).
However no problems to connect to domestic and European destinations as the frequencies here are very high.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 13084 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 15):
Economy: For elites UA wins hands down. UA has economy plus which is far superior with its 34-36' pitch. Even for members that aren't elite, UA at least has PTVs on all long haul international flights currently.

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Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 15):
Business: LH has a lie flat seat that is newer and nicer to UA's traditional seat. Food wise, they are pretty similar. On board service goes to LH though. Lounge service is pretty meaningless since you get the same lounge access when you fly either airline.

First: LH has the edge due to its amazing ground services such as the first class terminal at FRA. It has superior lounges. However on board there is less difference. UA has a better seat. It has more features, much more storage and is a lot more private. LH has good on board service.

All going to change soon when the new F & J seats go in and really give them a great inflight product, lets just hope the service is there as well.


User currently offlineIndio66 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 12708 times:

Didn't Air New Zealand used to fly this route? If so, does anyone remember when and with what equipment?

User currently offlineQantas744ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1295 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 12592 times:

Don't think it will take long for it to swith to the 744! LH's FRA-LAX-FRA is always packed front to end.

Great News Big grin

LEo



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9803 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 12319 times:

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 17):
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 15):
UA at least has PTVs on all long haul international flights currently.

Save for every single 747 flight in Y...

Sorry, I meant on the 777s, which will operate this route.

Quoting Indio66 (Reply 21):
Didn't Air New Zealand used to fly this route? If so, does anyone remember when and with what equipment?

They did it with a 747-200, but stopped 15 years ago.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26128 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 12216 times:

Here is the press release;

Quote:
Willkomen to Frankfurt on United
Thursday September 13
United announces new service from its Los Angeles hub to Frankfurt

CHICAGO, Sept. 13 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- United Airlines today announced that it will offer new daily passenger and cargo service* between Los Angeles and Frankfurt. United will begin service to Frankfurt on December 15, 2007 and service from Frankfurt on December 16, 2007. Flights are open for sale beginning today.
This will be United's eighth daily flight to Frankfurt and the new service from Los Angeles means United now serves Frankfurt from all four of its International Gateways, with service twice daily from its San Francisco and Chicago hubs and three times daily from its Washington, D.C. hub.

The flight schedule between Los Angeles and Frankfurt will be as follows:

Schedule Depart Arrive
Los Angeles to Frankfurt 5:25 p.m. 1:25 p.m. (the following day)
Frankfurt to Los Angeles 3:20 p.m. 6:14 p.m.
All routes and frequencies are subject to change.

United plans to operate combined passenger and cargo service between the United States and Frankfurt using a Boeing-777 aircraft.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070913/aqth016a.html?.v=1



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25 Kiwiandrew : I remember seeing an NZ 744 in FRA in late October 1998 so the service was still going 9 years ago
26 Post contains links and images Stylo777 : did they operate from Terminal 2 in FRA? The picture below shows the "new Terminal building" in the background and the photographer states "after arr
27 PA101 : Didn't Air New Zealand used to fly this route? If so, does anyone remember when and with what equipment? They did it with a 747-200, but stopped 15 y
28 SRT75 : Does UA perform T7 maintenance at LAX, or will aircraft rotate to DEN, ORD, or IAD for maintenance?
29 Laxintl : United does not do heavy maintenance on the 777 at LAX, but certainly has a maintenance facility and can work items. As is several 777s overnight at
30 747fan : United also has PTV's (albeit rather small ones, although the 777's are also small) on their PW4060-powered 767-300ER's, which are their internationa
31 LAXspotter : no doubt, but as you pointed out LAX is one of the busiest airports in the world dominated by two of the world's largest international carriers, AA a
32 Kaitak744 : Dominated by AA and UA? hardly. Southwest has more flights out of LAX than United doesn't it? And of all international traffic out of LAX, AA and UA
33 N1120A : I will. The traffic, both O&D and connecting, is huge between the two cities and pays good money for the tickets. If anything, this will cut into Air
34 Laxintl : Wrong Wrong Wrong LAX Stats for the first 6 months of 2007. By Passenger Volume: UA & UAX = 6,165,926 of which 475,896 international AA & AE = 5,165,
35 Zvezda : I agree. As a UA MillionMiler, there is no way I would ever fly UA if seats were available in the same class on LH for the same route on a schedule t
36 CyberUAL : Now the question is, will passengers clear customs in t-6 or bus to TBIT. If it's TBIT, good luck.
37 UAL777UK : Oh please, come on, just about all on frigging regional jets flown by its express partners!
38 UCLAX : DL also operated LAX-FRA for a short time in the 90s with M11s.
39 N1120A : Without a doubt they will use the T6/7 FIS, as it was constructed for United's use.
40 ConcordeBoy : Easily, for the -200 Both of these being little more than your biased and unsubstantiated opinions....
41 Kaitak744 : I said WN has more flights from LAX than UA. I never said anything about pax. Ok, very poor phrasing. I will say that again: In comparison to other U
42 UPPERDECKFAN : I don't understand why some people have the idea that an international flight has to be a 744 or 380 across the Pacific or Atlantic........comes to m
43 N1120A : Not particularly. United has the largest base of FFers in the area and the most established presence in the market, hence the most growth potential.
44 Daron4000 : Currently, UA has 1xLHR, 1xNRT, and 1x SYD. Come December, they will also have 1x HKG and 1xFRA, as well as an extra section of SYD so a total of 6 i
45 Laxintl : Look at my post in Reply 34 regarding operations. UA still has more flights (operations) then SWA. Matter of fact double. SWA runs about ~110 daily o
46 LAXdude1023 : HELL YEAH!!! Score one for the hometown!!!! If I were still in LA, I would be on the first flight. I strongly disagree on DL having the best chances f
47 AADC10 : The Asian carriers at LAX blow UA out of the water (sky?) but less so to Europe and coach on a UA 772 is probably better than coach on a LH 744. Bein
48 JRDC930 : You could not pay me to fly UA or any other U.S. carrier to FRA; LH service in both classes makes UA look llike crap(which it is), even more so for th
49 Viscount724 : If memory correct, NZ's LAX-FRA was less than 4 a week. I recall for quite a while it was just once a week and I always wondered why they bothered.
50 F9Widebody : Ba is nicer than AA, but from a mileage viewpoint, there's really no contest. You earn 25% of actual miles when flying World traveler on BA. Or 100%
51 AznCSA4QF744ER : Who else are we comparing INTL traffic to now? The other big INTL carriers that serves LAX are: MX can't counts how many flights if I had 2 set of ha
52 Post contains images L1011Lover : This route came from Pan Am in 1991. Pan Am served the route with 747 aircraft, Delta started service with L1011-500 and later switched to MD-11 equi
53 ElmoTheHobo : 5 daily flights to Australia, roughly 2 to Sydney, 1 each to Melbourne, Auckland and Brisbane; 1 daily service to JFK that originates in Sydney. 1x L
54 Post contains images FreequentFlier : Just like SLC-CDG for DL, UA's new LAX-FRA flight isn't so much about getting people from LAX to FRA (although there will be a decent amount of local
55 AznCSA4QF744ER : Oh I totally forgot about the DLC side. I was only counting the UAX side. Thanks for the info.....
56 L1011Lover : Okay I´ll try to clear things up a bit... For most of the time in the mid 90´s NZ´s FRA-LAX flight was 3-weekly. It might have been a 4-weekly at
57 StuckInCA : A bit off topic, but... Do you even get that on the transatlantic portion? This, from aa.com, has led me to believe not: "British Airways' transatlan
58 Post contains links ElmoTheHobo : You are correct though, Skywest is the biggest single operator in terms of aircraft movements. Here is the data from 2006, courtesy of the LAWA. http
59 ElmoTheHobo : Probably because UPPERDECKFAN uses Iberia's program (just guessing), they can earn miles on both American and British Airways. But yes, AAdvantage an
60 SlcDeltaRUmd11 : Good for UA i think that the flight will make money and is a good use of a 777
61 DavidByrne : Actually, it was 3x weekly at its peak, though NZ had been arguing that 4x would be preferred, but IIRC the German authorities wouldn't have that. Th
62 PA101 : Alrighty - thanks for clearing that. I knew, it was 3-weekly, just thought, they once had 4-weekly flights (that's why I said "max"). Also thanks for
63 UPPERDECKFAN : This B.S is going to stay after US-EU open skies when everybody will have freedom to serve LHR?
64 Post contains images JRDC930 : Thats an important part of the flight! , Seriously though, have also flown both, though not on the same international routes, and IMHO, just as with
65 LACA773 : Rightfully so, UA does not have the best reputation internationally, plain and simple. We all know that, it's nothing new. A lot of that has to do wit
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