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Aloha To Lease 737-800 For 5 Months  
User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2354 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6175 times:

I just received the following information from a friend at Aloha. It was released in their employee newsletter today.

Aloha will lease a 737-800 from TransAvia of Holland from November thru April. It will be configured with 12 in First Class and 150 in coach, and will fly mostly on the OGG-SMF route. The freed up 737-700 will either be in maintenance (2 73Ws have heavy checks during this period).

Also, Aloha will start a 2nd daily HNL-SNA route on November 16. AQ 488 will depart HNL at 7:33am and arrive SNA at 3:00pm. AQ 489 will depart SNA at 3:55pm and arrive HNL at 8pm. This flight will not operate from Nov 28 thru Dec 5.

Apparently, the 738 will have Aloha's tail design and logo on the fuselage but will look different from the rest of the fleet.

Great news for AQ and hopefully a sign of some more expansion coming down the road!!

-Aloha!


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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9708 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6046 times:

Nice news! Will AQ operate this 738 with their own crew? Are they certified to operate the larger 738 as they also oprate the -700 series model?

A388


User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6030 times:

I didn't realize Transavia had a first-class cabin, unless Aloha is configuring it. I know that Sun Country's normal 738 is also 12F/150Y, but when they lease 738s from Transavia in the winter, those planes are all-economy.

User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6009 times:

So bizarre. While bringing the 738 aboard isn't a stretch (given their 73X fleet), it seems unusual for an established airline to lease a "dissimilar" airframe for a short period of time. Can anyone recall any instances in which other established airlines have done this? Could this be a precursor of future AQ acquisitions? What happened to their E-190 shopping?

So many questions, so little time!


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User currently offlineSinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1637 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5940 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 3):
So bizarre. While bringing the 738 aboard isn't a stretch (given their 73X fleet), it seems unusual for an established airline to lease a "dissimilar" airframe for a short period of time

I'm not why you would call a 700 vs 800 dissimilar, but I'm sure it boils down to the fact that when looking for a ETOPS certified 737NG thats available for a short term lease you can't be to picky.



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User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5890 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5909 times:
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Quoting Aloha73G (Thread starter):
Great news for AQ and hopefully a sign of some more expansion coming down the road!!

All AQ has to do now is get out of the red financially.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5890 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 2):
I didn't realize Transavia had a first-class cabin, unless Aloha is configuring it. I know that Sun Country's normal 738 is also 12F/150Y, but when they lease 738s from Transavia in the winter, those planes are all-economy.

Good point, Transavia operates both low fare and holiday flights in Europe (some are long segments....say AMS to the Canaries) but I have never seen a Transavia airplane with a F class cabin....I guess that Aloha will reconfigure the airplanes for the lease period.

I assume that the subject 738 is fully equipped for over water operations.....does the airplane have all of the required ETOPS equipment (to my knowledge, Transavia does not operate any routes that fall under ETOPS guidelines.) Will either Aloha or Transavia be required to upgrade the airplane or its equipment for this lease? And,are there any special ETOPS rules or guidelines concerning leased in airplanes? This is something that I dont think has been discussed.


User currently offlineAlvse From Australia, joined Jun 2006, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5842 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 3):

Transavia used to lease and operate flights for Air Paradise (Bali, Indonesia) during peak season. I'm pretty sure the planes used where Transavia with an Air Paradise Tail.


User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5671 times:

Quoting Aloha73G (Thread starter):
AQ 489 will depart SNA at 3:55pm and arrive HNL at 8pm.

Who wants to start their hawaiian vacation at 8pm? Isn't that why they normally do morning routes?

And a -800... does this mean they are thinking of expanding?


User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5662 times:

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 8):

Not really. They needed a plane (a 73NG would be preferable) with ETOPS which can cover flights which it is needed (Mainland) so that they can put their own aircraft through maintainance. I know that 5 months is a very short time, but I think the point is that they only need it for 5 months and want to keep the airline as 73G only (I know about 732s) for the maximum amount of time to keep costs down.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24786 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5532 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 2):
I didn't realize Transavia had a first-class cabin, unless Aloha is configuring it. I know that Sun Country's normal 738 is also 12F/150Y, but when they lease 738s from Transavia in the winter, those planes are all-economy.

Sounds like AQ will be reconfiguring it since Transavia's 737-800s have 186 seats, all-economy, only 3 less than the maximum permitted.


User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5513 times:

Aren't the 737NG flight decks the same? Flight crews are cross-qualified for the -600 to the -900, right?

757 and 767 crews are cross-qualified ...

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 8):
Who wants to start their hawaiian vacation at 8pm?

Well ... that would apply to every other flight that arrives from the mainland or Canada in the evening ...



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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2354 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5381 times:

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 8):
Who wants to start their hawaiian vacation at 8pm? Isn't that why they normally do morning routes?

There are people who would rather go straight from work, to the airport and arrive in Hawai'i that day, so they can ahve the whole day the next day. This also allows onward connections to and from SNA....perhaps some codesharing with United will develop from ORD/IAD??

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21472 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5362 times:

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 8):
Who wants to start their hawaiian vacation at 8pm?

who wants to get up at 5am to get to the airport in time for an 8am flight just to arrive in Hawaii at 11am and then get to your hotel only to find out that you can't check in until 4pm?  Wink

arriving at 8pm is a little late, but it does get you into your final destination at 8pm (not an HNL flight) and you get to your hotel and can still have dinner and a drink. I arrived KOA at about 8pm when I went, connecting in HNL, and it was nice.

I also assume that a 4pm departure allows you to put in a 1/2 day of work and even put the kids in school for 1/2 a day if needed before you leave. This is desirable for many people.



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User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5336 times:

i remember seeing Sun Country with a leased 738 from Transavia a while ago here in Las Vegas...it had me very confused for a while..


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6086 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5296 times:

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 14):

Sun Country leases I think 3 Transavia planes every year. In return I think that SY planes go across the pond as well. Its a long standing agreement between the 2 carriers to help with each airlines high season since they are different. SY high season is winter, Transavia in the summer.

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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2354 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5280 times:

It sounded from what i read from AQ that OGG-SMF is one of their stronger routes and can use the extra lift. Hopefully it will do well and they might get a few more 738s permanently to increase their lift. This has been a rumour for some time and it seems to be coming to fruition.

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineUA2162 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 494 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5265 times:

Quoting Aloha73G (Thread starter):
Also, Aloha will start a 2nd daily HNL-SNA route on November 16. AQ 488 will depart HNL at 7:33am and arrive SNA at 3:00pm. AQ 489 will depart SNA at 3:55pm and arrive HNL at 8pm. This flight will not operate from Nov 28 thru Dec 5.

This is great news! SNA has been excellent for AQ.

As for the times, it'll be great to nonrev without having to get up at 6:00 for an 8:30 departure.

738...hmm...perhaps a bit of a test run? Maybe we'll see more in the future.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5258 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 15):
Sun Country leases I think 3 Transavia planes every year. In return I think that SY planes go across the pond as well. Its a long standing agreement between the 2 carriers to help with each airlines high season since they are different. SY high season is winter, Transavia in the summer.

Transavia has had ""exchange"" agreements with many different airlines over the years.....leasing out its airplanes over the winter period (when its holiday charter flying decreases) and leasing in airplanes over the summer period (when holiday charter flying increases). There is a huge amount of seasonality regarding European holiday flights, especially with the short to medium haul aircraft......far less people on vacation during the winter, and far less destinations to fly the shorter haul airplanes to: European beach destinations such as Ibiza, the Greek islands, etc are simply too cold in the winter and service only operates during the summer months.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7529 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5220 times:

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 8):
Who wants to start their hawaiian vacation at 8pm? Isn't that why they normally do morning routes?

A lot of airlines have arrivals around 8pm. A lot from the west coast get in around that time.



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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5168 times:

Now that United bought a major stake in Aloha, is United going to start ground handling Aloha at some of its mainland stations? SAN, SNA and SMF come to mind.

User currently offlineFlyMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5123 times:

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 12):
perhaps some codesharing with United will develop from ORD/IAD??

While I would love to see AQ expand their mainland network (especially to include ORD and preferably with their own metal), I don't think that UA needs AQ for services beyond their inter-island network. UA's mainland-Hawaii capacity is probably greater than that of any other carrier (except possible HA). But you never know, would be interesting.



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User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2354 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

As far as codesharing with UA it was mentioned previously that UA might want to reduce its presence on the neighbor islands and focus on HNL. The idea being that AQ with its smaller planes can fly the routes to OGG/KOA/LIH. Another reason to codshare out of SNA is that UA has a HUGE frequent flyer base in the LA area and many of them would probably appreciate flying out of SNA instead of LAX. It will definately be interesting to see how the UA/AQ partnership proceeds. I know AQ specifically renegotiated their F/A contract to allow codesharing on trans-pac routes, which was previously prohibited.

-Aloha!



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User currently offlineFlyMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5102 times:

That's interesting, maybe they will codeshare. Although if UA still has the PHH contract, I don't know how much they can/will want to reduce their flying to the smaller islands. Time will tell I guess.


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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5340 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

Quoting Aloha73G (Thread starter):
Also, Aloha will start a 2nd daily HNL-SNA route on November 16. AQ 488 will depart HNL at 7:33am and arrive SNA at 3:00pm. AQ 489 will depart SNA at 3:55pm and arrive HNL at 8pm.



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 8):
Who wants to start their hawaiian vacation at 8pm? Isn't that why they normally do morning routes?



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 13):
I also assume that a 4pm departure allows you to put in a 1/2 day of work and even put the kids in school for 1/2 a day if needed before you leave. This is desirable for many people.

This schedule also serves another purpose: it puts the a/c overnight in HNL rather than at an outstation. When AQ flew its short-lived SAN-HNL flight back in 2005, it was on essentially this same schedule. I believe the flight stopped because the plane (along with others?) was returned to the lessor, and not necessarily due to poor performance.

With this arrival time in the Islands, you do miss one entire day of beach time but there are benefits to the schedule (as have already been noted by others.) The return from HNL is early but, again, does have its bennies.

I'm glad to see even temporary expansion from the Aloha camp and I hope there will be more soon! I for one would sure love to see SAN-HNL-SAN return and maybe even KOA and/or LIH.... (Their SAN-OGG flight has been operating continuously for almost 3 years now, a couple of those years competing head-to-head with Pualani, so I assume it has been successful enough...)

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25 TropicBird : Way back in the 70's & 80's Aloha leased 737-200 aircraft from other carriers. I seem to recall one from Air Florida another from Britannia, Air Cal a
26 DL767captain : thats why it is good to know the manager, the receptionist, and your maid, along with being a Platinum starwood member so when i show up i am greeted
27 Viscount724 : You must be the only 16-20 year old Starwood Platinum member (requires 25 stays a year).
28 Post contains images Viscount724 : Ironically, considering the carrier involved in the AQ lease, Air Florida also leased a 737-200 from Transavia during the winter season for a few yea
29 DL767captain : its my dads but he takes me with him on every trip just to fly on the plane because the business will pay for family to go for free, pretty fun for a
30 Viscount724 : Sounds like a very good deal!!
31 Post contains images Ikramerica : And the youngest 767 captain, too! Yeah, my dad used to take us places as a kid when he was doing contract work for Hyatt International, and yes we c
32 San747 : I heard that unfortunately, AQ is staying with ATS at least in the short term at SNA.
33 3201 : Regarding the -800 vs. the -700, the new FAA ETOPS rules (effective this past February) makes the -800 viable for routes between Hawaii and the west c
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