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Boeing Create "New" Runway At LHR!  
User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3326 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 20662 times:

In an advert in to days Sunday Times, Boeing produce a map of LHR with a new runway.

Big version: Width: 589 Height: 358 File size: 52kb

Now how did they get that past the planners?
 Big grin


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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3507 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 20627 times:
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Correct me please if i am wrong but two of those are old unused runways

[Edited 2007-09-16 11:23:09]


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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4402 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 20589 times:

One goes directly through terminal buildings, definitively a way to save space. The other still exists, but is unused normally AFAIK.

User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3326 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20480 times:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1087474/M/
No sign of it here.



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User currently offlineA340313X From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20428 times:

Yes there is. You can see where it used to be, if you look carefully. The buildings have been built over it.

User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20384 times:

Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 3):
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1087474/M/
No sign of it here.

well, you can kinda tell from that pic, that were now terminal 3 is (gates 16 - 22) used to be a runway.


User currently offlineChrisMUC From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20332 times:

the one in the east used to be runway 23 and is now taxiway U.

User currently offlineHotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20299 times:

Runway 23 doesnt exist anymore either!

User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3326 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20225 times:

You'd think a leading aircraft maker would use an up to date advertising agency. Oh well.


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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2600 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 20043 times:
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Heathrow circa 1955
The photo appears to be "upside down" ie the Southern side of the airport where T4 is now is at the top of the photo.

You can see the runway that runs parallel to T3 in this 1967 photo (before T3 was extended) Even then the runway was being used for additional parking.
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A more recent photo - you can clearly see the old runway going through the axis of the outer pier of T3.

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User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 19723 times:

Heathrow circa 1955 looks like a star of david.

User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1597 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 19665 times:

Quoting Amirs (Reply 10):
Heathrow circa 1955 looks like a star of david.

I was thinking the same...  Smile



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User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3326 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 19512 times:

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 9):

Many thanks for that, very interesting.



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5193 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 19411 times:

Quoting Amirs (Reply 10):
Heathrow circa 1955 looks like a star of david.

I remember reading that was intentional. IIRC



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18963 times:

Quoting Amirs (Reply 10):
Heathrow circa 1955 looks like a star of david.

Not meant to be offensive at all...but do yourself a favor...don't look at DEN...

Ok, off colo(u)r humo(u)r moment over.  Wink

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User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2095 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18726 times:

Next time you find yourself watching the film Dr. Strangelove, take a look at the office of the SAC/USAF base commander. He has the same 1955 (or slightly later) photo of LHR on his wall.


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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 18124 times:

Quoting Voodoo (Reply 15):
Next time you find yourself watching the film Dr. Strangelove

And IF you have never seen this movie, you need to. Funniest military spoof movie ever made, yet makes you wonder how we managed not to blow ourselves (the whole world) up back then.
Much like the movie Airplane, you have to be alert or half or the humor will blow right past you.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17865 times:

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 16):
, yet makes you wonder how we managed not to blow ourselves (the whole world) up back then

yes, because it's soooo realistic.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineEaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16585 times:

Wishful thinking I guess. If Heathrow were still like this it would certainly change the economics of sending a 250 person 787 there. It wouldn't be as slot restricted and you wouldn't need to use A380's due to slot restrictions.

User currently offlineReadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3326 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16396 times:

Quoting Voodoo (Reply 15):

Hey, that's spooky !!!



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User currently offlineShuggie From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 16313 times:

Quoting Eaa3 (Reply 18):
Wishful thinking I guess. If Heathrow were still like this it would certainly change the economics of sending a 250 person 787 there. It wouldn't be as slot restricted and you wouldn't need to use A380's due to slot restrictions.

But they sure would be short of terminal space!


User currently offlineHotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15686 times:

Crossing runways would not help the slot problems at all. Crossing movements cause a great deal of trouble at the airfields that operate them. Thats why ORD is going for sets of multiple parallels facing the same way. 23 was only ever any use in strong crosswinds and it reduced the departure rate on whichever of the 27s was the departure runway massively.

User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13302 posts, RR: 100
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15686 times:
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Quoting Crosswind (Reply 9):
Heathrow circa 1955

Thank you for that wonderful photo.

Quoting Eaa3 (Reply 18):
If Heathrow were still like this it would certainly change the economics of sending a 250 person 787 there.

If Heathrow had been build with four parallel runways it would change the economics too... but that is just wishful thinking.  Wink But as Shuggie noted, the "Star of David" configuration doesn't allow for much terminal space.  Sad But it sure is neat! Makes you realize how rare air traffic was back in circa 1955.

Its going to be interesting to see how London meets its long term growth needs. For you either grow or you rot... Man I wish for that 3rd runway at LHR. It would be perfect to open it for the olympics!  bigthumbsup  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the T2 rebuild is scheduled to be done by then.  cloudnine  It would be amazing to have LHR able to meet the growth between now and then! (Notice I didn't say demand... that would take five or six runways at LHR!)

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User currently offlineEaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1028 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15390 times:

At SFO they usually use runway 1L and 1R for departures while runways 28R and 28L are being used for arrivals. There they can have 2 simultaneous departures and 2 simultaneous arrivals while at Heathrow I believe they often use one for arrivals and the other for departures.

User currently offlineSFOHORIZON From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 13872 times:

Is there any update on a 3rd Runway. There's always rumors, tentative plans, studies, etc... But look at those maps, where the heck would you put that thing?

25 JetJeanes : The great LHR only has 2 main runways>>>?????
26 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : And LGW is the world's busiest 1-runway airport. The parallel taxiway is designed for use as a backup runway when the main runway is closed for maint
27 Ikramerica : Yes, isn't England a bit ridiculous in this respect? And despite the lack of runway capacity and the slots and all, LHR ground staff and security and
28 Glom : It's supposed to go on top of Sipson to the North. Don't count on it any time soon. Greeniness is the new religion in the Westminster Village. John R
29 Zvezda : The 3rd LHR runway would be located north of and parallel to the western portion of the existing runways with similar spacing between. Have a look at
30 Joost : Local residents, environmental groups, etc, etc are very powerful in England. The fact that LHR is located very close to densely populated areas does
31 BTCCMan : Actually, 23L does still exist, it is just not used any more. It was still in occasional use during high crosswinds in the mid-80s...
32 Planesavvy : The old runway 23 is definately closed for good. There are major taxiway changes being built around that area in preparation for Heathrow East termina
33 Post contains images Zvezda : 2 main runways? 2 runways. Full stop. BAA should be buying every property that goes up for sale in the area bounded by the M4, M25, A312, and Bath Ro
34 Post contains links HangarRat : Actually, this article is a bit of an eyeopener... http://www.slate.com/id/2173108/pagenum/all/
35 FlyDreamliner : This is where Europe differs from the US to some degree. In order to make room for the ORD expansion an nearly an entire town (Elk Grove Village, I b
36 Ncelhr : That picture in today's Sunday Times is ridiculous. Not only does it use a 1950 runway layout, but it oversizes LHR's size, and looks at noise West of
37 SFOHORIZON : I think this is a bit of an exaggeration. But I think this is an example that shows how alike Elk Grove and Dupage County is to Europe, or to any com
38 747fan : M25 is the road that runs north to south in the upper left-hand corner of the recent photo in reply 9. Its the major motorway you see when you take o
39 Longhaulheavy : Wow...that is, um, interesting.
40 Post contains links and images Boeing4ever : How so? One once looked like a Star of David. The other would have made LHR-DEN flights, errr, interesting in some tripped out philosophical perspect
41 Zvezda : Some people want to be near an airport. Why should they not be allowed to build if they own the land? Less and less each year. Also, it's not difficu
42 Trent900 : Not to forget there is a heck of a lot more un-populated land out in the US. Our countryside here in the UK is under so much pressure from housing de
43 Hotelmode : Theres very little of it left, it has been unuseable for at least 6 years due to extra t4 stands and the touchdown end got dug up around 9 months ago
44 Post contains links Glom : Can we get past this myth? Runway 23 has had its declaration rescinded. Check out theAIP. And you can see on Google Earth, the runway numbers have be
45 Post contains images Ellehammer : I wonder how much space could be saved by moving all buildings underground? Getting off the plane and being whisked directly underground to a network
46 BosWashSprStar : Well . . . that may just be where Chicago differs from the rest of the western world to some degree. Mayor . . .*ahem* dictator *ahem* . . . Daley an
47 Post contains images Readytotaxi : Just another thought, the "New" proposed runway north of LHR, you land there and then have to taxi to Terminal 4, crew would probably have time to do
48 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...it actually depends on winds and time of day (as well as season) also.... having spotted at SFO no less than 50 times... I've seen many times wher
49 Glom : I would hope they'd plan the approaches better than that.
50 Post contains images Aloges : Oh, sweet heavens, no! I admit that at first it can sound like a good idea to free up some space, but have you ever been to Penn Station in New York?
51 FlyCaledonian : It would be more than two new runways required! Add in terminals, cargo terminals, hotels, additional road links (M25/M4 is already a major bottlenec
52 OldAeroGuy : One of my favorite things in the movie is the low level flying with a B52 model but with the shadow of a B17 on the ground.
53 Positiverate : One of things I find so interesting about this photo is the number of PAA DC-8's vs. 707's. Were the DC-8's used primarily to serve LHR?
54 Viscount724 : I think there was a mix of 707s and DC-8s, although the 707-320B/C was the only type used on the longest routes to/from LHR (e.g. nonstops to LAX/SFO
55 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Indeed, some do. I'm referring to people who build near an airport, then sue because they've just discoverd noise. The airport was there first. Deal
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