B747forever From United States, joined May 2007, 14276 posts, RR: 12 Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 41769 times:
Do you have some link that says what airline, a/c, what kind of landing incident.
B747forever From United States, joined May 2007, 14276 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 41694 times:
Than k you for the link.
It says that it broken into 2parts and they are afraid of deaths.
You should change the headline. It is a crash not a incident.
B747forever From United States, joined May 2007, 14276 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 41669 times:
Quoting ChristofferDK (Reply 6): The article says it was a One-To-Go flight with 123 passengers and five crew members.
EBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 388 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 41565 times:
Just saw the headline on the news : "Thai plane in accident" and without knowing the airline my first thought was, that's gotta be One-Two-Go. Turned out I was right.
Hope all the pax and crew are ok.
Next flights: CPH-ARN-CPH (B737), CPH-BRU-CPH (MD80/A321)
Cloudyapple From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Jul 2005, 1950 posts, RR: 7 Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 41420 times:
I just knew this would happen one day with no disrespect to the passengers on board. If there is one airline in Asia you don;t want to fly with it has to be Orient Thai/One2Go.
EBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 388 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 41322 times:
Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 12): I just knew this would happen one day with no disrespect to the passengers on board. If there is one airline in Asia you don;t want to fly with it has to be Orient Thai/One2Go
I totally agree. Their fleet has got to be one of the oldest around - looks like flying junk.
Don't know how well experienced their pilots are - can anybody shed a light on this?
Seems like these ones made a bad call.
[Edited 2007-09-16 13:04:55]
[Edited 2007-09-16 13:06:03]
Next flights: CPH-ARN-CPH (B737), CPH-BRU-CPH (MD80/A321)
ZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 6455 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 41014 times:
Unfortunate. Condolences to the families. Details seem very vague at the moment. Did the flight crew survive? And if so will the try to prosecite them?
Kiwiandrew From Mauritius, joined Jun 2005, 5534 posts, RR: 17 Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 40879 times:
Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 16): Did the flight crew survive? And if so will the try to prosecite them?
talk of prosecution seems a bit hasty when we dont even know what exactly happened ...not to mention a bit insensitive when we dont even know whether they are dead or alive
Moderation in all things ... including moderation ;-)
B747forever From United States, joined May 2007, 14276 posts, RR: 12 Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 40688 times:
GFFgold From Indonesia, joined Feb 2007, 394 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 40626 times:
Listening to developments on BBC world. Casualty numbers unconfirmed but some survivors reported being assisted from crash site. Stormy weather with poor vis. BBC says overshot runway, CNN says attempted go-around.
Addrenaline From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2007, 10 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 40480 times:
Hi All,
So sad and concerning, particularly for me, as I flew with my wife and daughter on One 2 Go last July HS-OMA to be precise. The aircraft was rather shabby and I couldn't believe we got those seats at the back next to the engines, so the flight was blinkered all the way to Phuket. Still as I am airline staff and we had already overnighted in BKK as all the Thai flights were full. We decided to not waste another day at the airport in persuit of a stanby seat, instead we purchased 3 one way tickets on One 2 Go BKK - HKT for about £120,
We didn't like the seats but they got us to where we wanted to go, and most of all it was worth it. Coz we had a Great Holiday...
B747forever From United States, joined May 2007, 14276 posts, RR: 12 Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 40480 times:
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 40479 times:
Hi!
I was just checking out the Bangkok Post ( english language ) and it looks that the weather conditions were very hard, windy and rainy, and it looks that the crew tried to go around but the lost control of the plane crashing in two parts and the plane was burning. Really sad to see another accident but we might need to wait for further news.
Regards
Windshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2191 posts, RR: 15 Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 40415 times:
Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 12): I just knew this would happen one day with no disrespect to the passengers on board. If there is one airline in Asia you don;t want to fly with it has to be Orient Thai/One2Go
While I agree with you, the director general of the Air Transport Authority of Thailand says that the crash happened during a go around and that the weather was poor. Nothing to indicate an equipment failure.
Awful to hear about the high death toll though, hoped it was a minor incident.
Boaz.
"He who matures early lives in anticipation." -Theodor Adorno
Geizistgeil From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 135 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 40411 times:
I flew one two go from Bangkok to Phuket last November (and back). The ac (MD82, former Continetal)was old, but was in a real good condition, the crew was very polite and seemed professional.
Before we flew 1-2-go to Chang Mai and I was chatting with the captain, who turned out was a canadian who flew in Asia after his retiremend. He seemed high-profesionell, so I had no bad feeling with them.
"If the Wright brothers were alive today. Wilbur would have to fire Orville to reduce costs" (H. Kelleher)
26 OHLHD: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapc...09/16/thailand.crash.ap/index.html Very sad! Let's hope that the number does not go up to high.
27 PlaneHunter: With an average age of nearly 22 years, their MD-80 fleet is significantly younger than many carriers' B732 fleets. No need to dramatize. PH
28 Thai744: I think I had a work colleague on that flight. I sincerely hope not. Just trying to check it out now. I'm trying to call One-To-Go and its just consta
29 SeansasLCY: Sky News had some reporter on who said "One Two Go is a major carrier in Thailand and very safe as its owned by the national airline Thai Airways." Th
30 Cloudyapple: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6997381.stm First picture from BBC News.
31 Jox: I had a colleague on the flight. I just talked to his brother - luckily enough my colleague and his friend is just slightly injured, he sat by the em
32 Joffie: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6997381.stm includes the first?? small pic of the accident. Does not look too good.
33 IcLCY: Thai media reporting mostly foreigners onboard
34 CityAirline: This is tragic. I hope as many as possible turn up alive and safe, and to those who don't... R.I.P. //Alex
35 Andaman: Finnish tv news said two Swedes were among the survivors. Your friend was very lucky! Great he's ok and managed the help others too.[Edited 2007-09-1
36 DavidkunzVIE: Neither 12Go's nor Orient Thai's sites are online at the moment.
37 OHLHD: CNN tells that mostly foreign tourists were on board. They have a picture on their homepage but it is the same as before mentioned.
38 SpeedbirdEGJJ: Its was a MD12 according to the times journalist on Skynews at the minute... Got to say the weather looks awful, cant make out from the TV pics where
39 MerlinIIIB: Post-crash video, from Norwegian newspaper VG: http://atvs.vg.no/player/index.php?id=11473
40 SCXmechanic: The weather at the time sound like perfect conditions for microbursts.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microburst Just a thought... But will wait and se
42 Finnaviation: Amazing. Now I know they made MD-12 afterall. Should it be MD-82?
43 Clipperno1: Sounds awfully similar to AA's crash in Little Rock a few years back: http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19990601-0
44 Sky0000547: I was on One 2 Go 747s last October to Phuket from Hong Kong and their planes were certainly the tackiest planes I have ever been on in my life. Cond
45 OA260: Eye witness on the plane that landed before this one said his flight had one of the most violent approaches he has ever experienced. When they got off
46 BWilliams: Per the AP, the A/C landed and tried to go around, but was off-balance and crashed. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20800512/
47 Bh4007: But if it had been an AA airplane in the same position, rather than an Orient Thai - would there be casualties, or even a crash?
49 Pilotaydin: yes, because that IS what happened with the AA plane....
50 HuskyAviation: Ugh my condolences to the families, this is terrible news to wake up to on a Sunday morning. Thankfully at least *some* made it out alive.
51 Stickers: News over here quotes say that more than 90% of the passengers have been killed and survivors have been taken to hospital. Mostly European tourists on
52 Pilotaydin: i disagree, the mind is a free and smart tool, nothing changes when you try to stop people from doing one thing, then another....people should be fre
53 Lu: TWA and AA used to fly it before ONE-TWO-GO. May God be with them.
54 OA260: List of people injured in hospital includes citizens from Austria Germany Iran Ireland UK
55 Airsnaps: This is tragic... I can hardly believe this has happened. Phuket is like a third home to me. Just watching the coverage on CNN now.
57 Beaucaire: Pilotaydin is right - the sheer fact to start analysis is not incompatible with grief for the victims. As initial reports indicate, the pilot was on
58 MilesDependent: Simply terrible. I saw the headline and like others instantly thought it's gotta be One-Two-Go. I flew on them a few years ago when they had the 757.
59 LHStarAlliance: More Pics ... http://www.faz.net/s/RubB08CD9E6B087...2431A2B128E~ATpl~Ecommon~SMed.html Under the victims are also Germans - says N24
60 Malaysia: But the MD-82 I flew for One Two Go still had CO interior, does that mean they skipped a C/D check? or they just re-install the former cabin? I flew U
61 NEMA: Unreasonable comments at this early stage i think when reports are suggesting strong winds and driving rain when landing. I know that this is often t
62 NA: The last letter of the registration looks like a B to me. From the pictures I guess its HS-OMB which crashed, but the pictures are too unclear to be s
63 Elephantboy: According to TV reports, there are 43 out of 128 people survived and hospitalized. The rescuers are still searching for more survival but with little
64 Cloudyapple: Based on my previous experiences with them, past observation and monitoring of their ops and first hand comments from fellow colleagues working their
65 A340Spotter: Lu, were you quoting a source as to where they got this particular airplane from? If so, it would make it HS-OME or G as the others are from CO (and
66 Dash8Pilot: I fly on the 82, with a few pilots who use to fly with One 2 Go.. Great guys and Great Pilots.. I wouldnt blame the pilots, but the company.. I heard
67 OA260: Looks like this will affect alot of countries . http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0916/thailand.html
69 YVRtoYYZ: Wrong registration. Cannot say more however.
70 AsstChiefMark: Just the name enough is reason enough not to fly with them... One 2 Go? Sounds like you're ordering a chicken from the Chicken Express drive-thru wind
71 DeC: ^ I don't think that's the most appropriate thing to say and think right now. And somebody change the topic's title, it's so much more than an acciden
73 SQ452: Saw this horrible news here, very sad RIP to all the victims. I'm not going to get into the merits or safety records of One-Two-Go here simply because
74 Andaman: Agree. Sorry that inside joke didn't work, bad timing for one thing.
75 LHRjc: According to Sky News (TV), both pilot and F/O survived. JC Edit: typo[Edited 2007-09-16 18:17:41]
77 Flighty: Looking at the photo, it looks like a microburst caused a violent descent. I say this because the tail is separated off an otherwise intact airframe.
78 SPREE34: Maybe he's an A.netter. Brilliant. Hey, what if it had been an Orient Thai airplane at Cali instead of AA? Orient Thai in wake turbulence over Ney Yo
79 Super98: DO WE HAVE A REG NO. YET or anything to go on specific? TIA, RM
80 F9Animal: I have to agree with you on this. How can we judge the flight crew, when we have no idea what really happened? There are a million things that could
81 CasasEWR: This is sad news. My symathies go to both the victims of the crash and those who lost loved ones. May a cause be established soon so the families of t
82 Super98: YES, I am astonished out how many comments are in this thread already about "crappy old equipment" From the sounds of the weather issues at play here
84 SRMD11: Sorry - But thats BS and poor propaganda! I have flown a lot in Asia and there are some other Airlines than Orient Thai which are really bad... Orien
85 Readytotaxi: http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20070916-0 How does this site know that the crew decided to make a go around?
86 AirTranTUS: If you look at this picture, you can see how far one of the thrust reverser sections from the MD-80 is from the tail of the plane. Must have been some
87 Lightsaber: No wonder this is getting so much attention. The first double decker crash. Seriously, my condolences to the family. Its very sad. At least the pilot
88 FlyEmirates: Anyone know how the schedule will be affected? The utilisation of MD-80 fleet seems high, wheras the 747 fleet appears to be the lowest in the industr
89 Alessandro: Well, all flights to Phuket been halted, one aircraft that landed 5 minutes earlier than the crashed one from the same airline are stuck.
90 Copter808: A while back there was a thread here about why American pilots don't land in thunderstorms, while some other nationalities do. This, folks, is why Ame
91 Ferengi80: Microbursts are more commonly known as windshear. I have to admit the moment I read about the crash and heard that the aircraft seemed to go out of c
92 Afterburner: Unfortunately, according to a spokesman for the Indonesian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the pilot is one of the victims. He was an Indonesian named A
93 Alessandro: 8 Israelis are feared to be among the victims, along with 2 Swedes, one female and one male 20-year olds from North Sweden.[Edited 2007-09-16 20:48:11
94 Beaucaire: Ill-fated One-Two-Go aircraft not covered by local insurance The One-Two-Go McDonnell Douglas MD 82 that crashed in Phuket on Sunday was not covered b
95 MAN23R: Hi everyone, (this is my first post on A.net) This is a very tragic event, glad to see there where survivors from that wreckage, my condolence's go to
96 Cloudyapple: METARs at the time: METAR VTSP 160800Z 27007KT 4000 SCT015 BKN110 BKN300 26/24 Q1006 A2972 VCSH N METAR VTSP 160830Z 24012KT 4000 SCT015 BKN110 BKN300
97 SFOHORIZON: Can you substantiate this? I heard the opposite? I know a few people who work for Orient Thai and it seems like a very safe airline with fantastic cr
98 Alessandro: Full passengerlist found here http://www.bkkok.com/content-49.html
100 Sh0rtybr0wn: Thats a bit harsh dont you think? This crash is a tragedy but I dont believe its cause to shut down all aviation in Thailand. Why dont we wait to see
101 OB1504: Age has nothing to do with it. It all boils down to maintenance practices and crew training. If this did turn out to be something along the lines of
102 Lightsaber: Whoa! As I read your article, One-Two-Go did not insure the flight. The leasing company rarely insures the airframe. Usually its handled by the leasi
103 VORFMD: oh we have an expert here, knowing the cause of this accident right now... I would suggest you´re awaiting the outcome of the investigations before
104 Rolfen: Why the hell is the plane landing in such bad weather.
105 UnknownUser: These other countries and airlines take safety as a joke. Any good pilot would never attempt to land in conditions below minimums and then go-around
106 Greatoaks: Can I ask the exact problems that windshear causes ? is it sudden loss of altitude or stability ?
107 777fan: CNN is now claiming 87 have perished: http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/09/16/thailand.crash/index.html 777fan
108 Rolfen: Windshear is a strong gust of wind. If it is blowing from the back to the front of the aircraft, it will reduce the windspeed of the aircraft hence c
109 AirlineBrat: Microbursts aka windsheer events are extreme downdraft winds below thunderheads. So basically downdraft winds will cause an aircraft to lose altitude
110 Thai744: True to form Thai TV is doing its best to show as many burned corpses as possible The hand-washing dance has already begun... TiTV (a tv station here
111 JetJeanes: Does appear to be an incident , or an accident, It looks like a Crash into that hill side, That plane to a pretty good pop
112 Pilotaydin: how do you know the weather was or wasn't below minimums, and how do you know what they did or didn't do, you make it seem like flying an airplane is
113 Hmmmm...: Journalists don't bother checking facts anymore. Indeed, they don't even bother with gathering facts, much less checking them. Not only was it not an
115 Alessandro: Unknown, a plane from the same company landed 5 minutes earlier. I don´t think Thailand is that dangerous, Indonesia is....
116 Thomson735: i didn't say i knew the cause did i? all i said is that this happens way too much, and its always countries like this, there clearly not capable of o
117 Andaman: I have noticed in Thailand that the local media doesn't hesitate to show the dead bodies, even the face, it's a bit shocking have to say.
118 PlaneHunter: What a lame generalisation - that's like bashing the whole aviation biz after one bad flight. PH
119 Aleksandar: May God bless the souls of all the victims. I also hope that injured passengers will recover. Have you heard anything about your colleague? Mainstream
120 Rolfen: "On landing the airplane went off the side of the runway, crashed into trees and caught fire." http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20070
121 JetJeanes: It could have been many contributing factors that caused this,Jumping to conclusions right now is a bit premature,laying the blame on the crew ,weathe
122 SPREE34: I've copy/pasted this off of your profile: I present no opinions, strictly facts with conclusions based upon those facts. So, share with us the facts
123 Stickers: I'm fine with that Pilotaydin, people are welcome to disagree with me, hence i began my post by saying that "I feel.." not "Everyone should..." Its s
124 TrojanAE: THANK YOU for a breath of reasoning in an otherwise childish and immature thread in the view of a tragedy.
125 Md80forum: Within the global pilot and MD-80 cockpit crews community there has been concerns about the working conditions at One-Two-Go for some time. Regulatory
126 Boeingforever: i have a feeling this is what happened on the hard landing.. http://youtube.com/watch?v=O7kHZuNMnEE
127 EBGflyer: I understand your point and I agree with you to a certain extend (most accidents are caused by human error anyway). However, old airframes and an unp
128 Jasonmiller: Below is the passenger list of the One 2 Go aircraft. Source: http://www.scandasia.com/viewNews.php?coun_code=se&news_id=3751[Edited 2007-09-16 23:45:
129 Copter808: Wow! That's a rather inflammatory statement!! Exactly where did you get your information? How many times have you flown One-Two-Go aircraft? Who are
130 MHG: I totally agree on your comment ! ! ! (although i´m not working in the aviation business - so I´m no professional... ) But i´ve learned that there
131 EBGflyer: Interesting article: http://www.scandasia.com/viewNews.php?coun_code=se&news_id=3751 Exempt from the article above: An official at the Phuket Airport
132 AsstChiefMark: http://www.fly12go.com/en/main.shtml Looks like it was a high school student's term project for his "HTML Basics" class. I like the way they accept 7
134 QantasHeavy: Windshear is a situation where winds gusts come from different directions, creating churning air which can create a sudden gain or loss of airspeed, d
135 FlyinTLow: If you were to look at all kinds of aviation accidents you would very well realize that these things happen everywhere in the world. Not only in thos
136 Ariis: I don't know exactly what countries you include in that "like this" statement. We all know that statistics clearly say that accidents occur more ofte
138 IcLCY: How would you connect the design of the website to this crash? As for the 7-11 logo, that is to signify that 7-11 stores are paypoints for tickets, I
139 SA006: Agree with you 100% mate...could be a 100s of reasons as to why this aircraft crashed. Condolences to all onboard...Sad day for aviaton. -SA006
140 Etops1: if you read the pax manifest it was reg HS-OMG
141 AsstChiefMark: To me, a sloppy, low-quality website generally indicates a sloppy, low-quality business.
142 IcLCY: Still doesn't answer the question - how does the design of the website connect with the crash? Was the web designer flying the plane? In which way is
144 Comorin: Thompson735: There's been a spate of crashes 'over there' - Indonesia, Brazil, Colombia, Africa; not to mention the fire at Okinawa recently. This wo
145 777fan: Interesting to note (I don't know if anyone else saw this) that the footage of the a/c burning (presumably a matter of minutes after the actual incid
146 GFFgold: My understanding is that microbursts by their very definition are impossible to predict by existing technology. It is also easy to say, as other post
147 TrnsWrld: ahhhh man I have been on that aircraft back in its better days with TW. My thoughts and prayers are with the families and those that were lost:-(
148 Flighty: Ha ha ha. Stop being so funny guys, this is a serious thread... ahem...
149 CX flyboy: I have heard quite the opposite, with an ex- CX 744 captain retiring and going to Orient Thai on the 747, saying every flight was a total challenge w
150 JRDC930: Not trying to speculate, but if it was a microburst, there isnt much you can do at that altitude, even if the pilots do recognize its a microburst. T
151 Lufthansa747: Some ridiculous comments on this thread, without the "experts" knowing anything about the crash. Maintenance is done in CGK for both 747 and MD80 as f
152 Malaysia: I keep ending up on HS-OMA almost everytime, CNX-BKK URT-BKK etc... I wish I had tried OMG and the AA interior
153 AsstChiefMark: There's no such thing as an accident. In the USA and UK, the use of that term is discouraged. TV stations, emergency workers, etc. are instructed to
154 Lufthansa747: OME has AA interior as well, IMHO more legroom than on the ex-CO OMA-D. OMH retains Falcon Air Express interior. Have flown on all but OMC. The ex-AA
155 JRDC930: Dont count out weather too quickly, poor decision making and negligence either by pilots or by mainenance may be the cause of most crashes, but thing
156 TrijetsRMissed: Very unfortunate, sounds like the plane should have diverted. RIP to all the victims, similar to the TAM accident in the sense they crashed on approac
157 AsstChiefMark: There's a good way to avoid windshear. It's very simple. Don't f*cking land in a storm! When's the last time we had a windshear crash here? It was wh
158 OldProfessor: It is not always that simple. We don't know what pressures were on the Captain to make the decision to land in marginal weather. Did they have fuel t
159 JRDC930: Its not that simple, and its NOT always the pilots fault, windshear can occur on a clear day just as it can during a storm, and it can be perfectly c
160 Iwok: Now that the black boxes have been found, I wonder how long before we get more information. This one if different because as far as I know there were
161 Farzan: I am somewhat curious of the definition of "budget airline" or "LCC carrier". What does it mean? And especially in connection with this crash the term
162 Cloudyapple: If you happen to be in the industry and have any dealings with Orient Thai, you will know what sort of an operator they are, maintenance, crew manage
163 MerlinIIIB: This makes me wonder how a person obtain a RR of 43 in this forum!
164 Daihatsu: The website looks fine to me AsstChiefMark, it works perfectly and i found all the information I wanted, its not bloated and simple, the English is a
165 SQ452: You raise a good point, and while I'm sure everyones definition of the two will vary slightly, they are more or less one in the same. Some people wil
166 UAL777UK: Terrible news and my thoughts are with those families that have lost loved ones in the crash. Having landed in Phuket about 6 years ago and after land
167 TrijetsRMissed: Well not a carbon copy duplicate, most accidents rarely are. The point is, both made attempts to land in bad weather and crashed while aborting or pl
168 Mandala499: Oh Damn! I decided to have a weekend off the internet and this happened! (that's the 3th time(?) this year something happened while I'm taking a day o
169 Windshear: Exactly... I know there have been complaints about one-two-go, but this looks like it was weather induced and/or due to pilot error (like the AA flig
170 AsstChiefMark: I usually hang out in Non Av. That's where I got my RR. I thought I'd come over here and see what it was like to be an armchair CEO or a wanna-be eng
171 EDICHC: Totally agree with you there, as I am led to believe there is no Doppler radar at HKT, (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong-just going on info poste
172 Grunf: Horrible! My toughts go to families of the dead and survivors. Swedish survivor says that they deployed the landing gear in heavy weather, started sin
173 OA260: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6997746.stm With incomes rising fast in a region with a population of 500 million, increasing numbers of peopl
174 RussianJet: No, just an 'armchair' accident investigator. Hey, maybe instead of insulting everyone that likes to 'hang out' in civil aviation discussions you sho
175 Mandala499: If it was a windshear, then the question is did they perform the go-around before or after encountering a windshear. The recovery / go-around method
176 Mika: http://www.aftonbladet.se/atv2/init....243&category=nyheter&commercial=no There's a link to a video that was shoot by the two surviving swedes seconds
177 Grunf: Well I hope flight recorder will give answer to that. We can maybe venture and say that accident was probably due to weather/landing procedure issues
178 Mika: As far as the engine goes i suppose that it made it up that hill by the turning momentum from the spinning fan and compressors inside, especially if
179 Paparadzi: Just to note, the mimima for runway 27 ILS in HKT is 540 ft with threshold elevation of 82 ft. This is slightly higher than normal Cat 1 minima of aro
180 David L: Precisely. There's a difference between speculating on what might have happened and actually apportioning blame at this early stage. E.g. it may have
181 Mika: Seems like the old link to the video that i posted above is outdated now, here's a new one: http://www.aftonbladet.se/atv2/init....243&category=nyhete
182 LaminarFlow: Interesting story: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...007/09/16/thai-crash-canadian.html "We saw a couple of people who were on fire. Just a handf
183 DavestanKSAN: Man I don't know what to say. All I can think of is RIP to the passengers, and thoughts and prayers to their families. I hope the injured recover. Ma
184 Alessandro: Latest rumor is that the pilot was a 56-year old Indonesian and he died in the crash, he had his licens revoked two months ago due to health reasons b
185 SQ_EK_freak: Kudos to this - the only bit of logic I've seen on this thread for a while.
187 LTBEWR: First of all, RIP to those who died and hope for survivors. Earlier today, USA news media was reporting that the 'black boxes' have been recovered. I
188 AC777LR: They are on there way to the USA as we speak.
189 Trintocan: This is a massive tragedy. 89 lives lost, a virtual cross-section of the world too on board this plane. Here in Wales there is concern about a young m
190 Ag92: I don't know if its the right time, but how many people do you think were saved by the FAs? RIP to all those dead Regards Ag92
191 FlyEmirates: Im not an expert but looking at the video from the swedes the captain must have been stupid to land in those conditions, some comments from pilots wou
192 MilesDependent: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...007/09/16/thai-crash-canadian.html "We started to go for the landing and he just about hit the runway, but coul
193 GFFgold: I'm very suspicious of such 'eyewitness accounts'. Perception of airspeed/groundspeed through a porthole window in the side of the a/c is difficult a
194 TheCol: It has been confirmed that 2 Canadians were on board. One is dead, one is still missing. http://www.canada.com/topics/news/wo...7a4-4758-ac38-ab8f0d68
195 AirlineBrat: As I have been reading through this thread, with the weather conditions as they were. I have to add my experience with monsoons in that part of the wo
196 Mandala499: Don't blame the pilot.. he thinks he's fit and wants to fly... If he's unfit, I wonder who "re-activated" his license or allowed/made him to fly desp
198 Rikkus67: The Col... One of the two Canadians ( a 23 year old female) on board survived, and is in hospital. She gave an interview shortly after the crash.
199 Pihero: I have seen about everything in this site. Now I have seen all, including racism, hilarious jokes said above the remains of 89 human beings... Quite s
200 JoKeR: And one "nice" development in this tragedy, and that is the Israeli help to identify the Iranian victims of the accident. Arch enemies put aside their
201 Md80forum: Very disturbing information, if true: In an anonymous letter published in PPrune and summarized at MD-80 Int'l Forum, a (apparently) One-Two-Go senior
202 BY188B: Ive taken a few minutes to cross reference the MD80 seat map and the passenger manifest and its terrible to see that except one passenger in 6A, all w
204 BY188B: thanks had to use a iceland express seat map. It makes me wonder if the pax in 6A was just very lucky or if they changed seat before landing.
205 Pe@rson: We fly OG twice earlier this year. Good flights, although both had delays. What was the reg of the crashed plane?
206 BuyantUkhaa: Which sort of matches the images, the rear part of the aircraft being relatively intact. The 6A one baffles me though...
208 Mandala499: If the Captain suffered insomnia, he shouldn't be flying. He's a former presidential pilot in Indonesia, which isn't an easy selection... He's also a
209 Pe@rson: Thanks. It's quite irritating: I can't find the book in which we wrote the registrations of the aircraft we flew on. And before the crash didn't OG h
214 Alessandro: Mandala, also on airdisaster, "someone" logged in to discredit the pilot, similar text, seem to be a relative or close assiocate of the co-pilot.
215 YVRLTN: According to MSN, half of the equipment to detect windshear at the airport was inoperative. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20831237/ Investigators have s
216 Mandala499: Alessandro, Discrediting the pilot so soon could also be a way to vent frustration at the management... It's happened before where the guy who discred
217 F9Animal: You have to love anonymous letters. If we trusted them, we would all be conspiracy believers. I find it interesting that the anonymous letter gives s
218 Mandala499: Let's bring some humanity into the accident rather than getting carried away with conspiracies, anonymous letters et al... Here are some pics taken fr
219 DeC: CAUTION: Some pretty DISTURBING and STRONG footage from the crash site, shot by a survivor. Hope that - along with the photos above - this might silen
220 Md80forum: Unfortunately a lot of input from aviations professionals to my MD-80 forum both publicly and off-the-record to me supports what has been said in thi
221 Lgbga: Wow! The video and pictures break my heart. Whatever the cause, it doesn't change the fact that people died and the survivors will never be the same.
222 Mandala499: MD80, Well for what we know, the "anonymous" guy could be the same person who took the photos I posted above (who I am informed is a also close collea
223 Md80forum: You're right, Mandala. Good reminder. I will try to keep it mind.
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