ManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4452 times:
The 772ER has had a 10+ year head start on the 77W and whilst the latter is racking up a good number of orders the technology will be overtaken by the next generation of aircraft such as the A350 before it could even come close to overtaking the hugely successful 772ER which will continue to attract orders itself in some measure. Even without this there simply isn't the same market for an aircraft the size of the 77W as there is for the smaller 772.
It is possible, but it will really depend on how soon airlines need a 350-seater. I do think the 77W has a better then even chance of making 400, but I also think the 772ER should clear 450, which would keep her ahead, overall.
Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4875 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3867 times:
I hope it gets lots of orders, but one thing I think people haven't noticed is that deliveries are pretty much sold out til 2010... are airlines going to be ordering many 773ER after 2010? Intially I think they will but by around 2012 the 773ER will be getting tired...
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3853 times:
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 9): The 777-300ER can easily get 132 orders within a few years.
The 777-300ER would need to get 132 orders plus however many the 777-200ER gets in the future, which could be a few dozen.
I seem to be more pessimistic about the future prospects of the 777-300ER vis-a-vis the 787 and A350 than most here, but I think there is a greater than 50% chance that 777-300ER orders will eventually exceed 777-200ER orders.
Tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3339 times:
Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 23): Is it fair to say that the A350 will compete with the B777 ? The A350s EIS is 2013, the B77W will have been flying for 10+ years by then.
Yes, the A350 and 777 will be direct competitors. 10 years isn't that old for an aircraft design, especially a good one, and, contrary to what seems to be popular belief, designs are continuously updated throughout their lives.
Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 23): IMO the A340 is the B777s only true competitor.
They are designed around the same missions but it's a very lopsided competition. The 777 trounces the A340 on economics.
All of the above codes were determined by IATA, who published an annual "Coding Directory" for all aircraft types (that's why the 737-700 is called the 73G). As for why the 777-300ER is called the 77W, urban legend has it that the 'W' is for the raked wingtips of the 777-300ER, but there's no official reason.
I'd say it's a matter of "when" rather than "if". The 777-300ER is an instant classic - the right design at the right time. (Think of the 727-200ADV.) At the moment, there's nothing to touch it and even if the A350-1000 comes out on top, that's still many years away. Meanwhile, the 777-200ER is on its last legs. It is several years since it won a significant order from a new airline (TAAG for 2 more than two years ago was the last new customer. Before that NZ ordered 4 in 2004 and PIA 3 in 2002). It is almost beyond belief that a new customer will pop up and place a double-figure order. So the 777-200ER is left with small top-up orders (such as 4 for BA in March) but that's about all. The 777-200ER will do well to reach 450 (not that this is any kind of 'failure'!) whereas I confidently expect the 777-300ER to breeze past that number with room to spare.