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Why Is QF Putting A332 On The AKL-LAX Route?  
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3624 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14455 times:

For over ten years now, all QF transpacific flights that was non-stop to LAX, has been 747s. Now I am reading that QF is drown grading to an A332, this do not make since. If the routes could not handle 747s any more why QF did not order 777 for it. An A332 is just to small for a flight this long, QF is going to lose passengers to NZ if they do this, also there pilots will not be happy about this. QF is making a big mistake by putting A332 in place of 747 on the AKL-LAX route.

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User currently offlineKrisYUL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14441 times:

The A332 is a very capable plane. What does size have to do with anything - you still only get one seat...

User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3073 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14433 times:
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This thread may help you.


RE: Qantas 332 AKL-LAX From March 08 (by QantasHeavy Jul 16 2007 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14419 times:

Quoting KrisYUL (Reply 1):
The A332 is a very capable plane. What does size have to do with anything - you still only get one seat...

Very true. And to be honest a large percentage of the passengers do not care or even know what aircraft they are flying on.

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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14395 times:

And of the few who do, many will probably appreciate the fact that there are less passengers on board (makes boarding and deplaning easier) and the 2-4-2 configuration in economy over the 3-4-3 config of the 747s. Ptich, if I am not mistaken, is 31 inches in both types.


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User currently offlineUPPERDECKFAN From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14364 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
QF is going to lose passengers to NZ if they do this

Do you think people are going to switch airlines because of type of a/c? Really?

IMO, leisure and VFR choose airline based on rates, while business travelers and companies do it mainly on quality of service and/or corporate rates.

AFAIK, A332 being deployed by QF on AKL-LAX are brand new so it's likely more an upgrade than a downgrade.



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9823 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14337 times:

Quoting KrisYUL (Reply 1):
The A332 is a very capable plane.

 checkmark  Correct. As mentioned in the other thread this also allows QF for more efficient planning during the low season during this time of the year.

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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14310 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
An A332 is just to small for a flight this long

I didn't know "small" aircrafts couldn't fly long flights. Well, I learn something new everyday. Have you called QF telling them about their mistake, obviously they weren't aware of that this plane couldn't fly this route  Yeah sure


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3647 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14261 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
An A332 is just to small for a flight this long, QF is going to lose passengers to NZ if they do this, also there pilots will not be happy about this. QF is making a big mistake by putting A332 in place of 747 on the AKL-LAX route.

I don't think QF's pilots really care and if I remember correctly, this was done because QF is reapportioning their widebody capacity, not necessarily because the route can't support it.



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User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25352 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14195 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
and the 2-4-2 configuration in economy over the 3-4-3 config of the 747s. Ptich, if I am not mistaken, is 31 inches in both types.

Means a lower chance (25% vs. 40%) of winding up in a middle seat, and many economy class passengers travelling in pairs like the ability to have 2 seats to themselves rather than sharing with a stranger. And even if you're alone, if you prefer window seats you only have 1 person to bother when you want to leave your seat rather than 2 on a 747.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14117 times:
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Quoting Someone83 (Reply 7):
Have you called QF telling them about their mistake, obviously they weren't aware of that this plane couldn't fly this route

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User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14095 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
Now I am reading that QF is drown grading to an A332, this do not make since.

Makes alot of sense when you work within the airline!

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
If the routes could not handle 747s any more why QF did not order 777 for it.

AKL-LAX can handle 744 fine...All year round. QF want to open up new routes, and use the aircrafts where they can generate profits GREATER than AKL-LAX.

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
An A332 is just to small for a flight this long

Says who or whom?? You? Let me tell you the aircraft is alot more comfortable for pax in reagrds to amenities offered on the aircrafts. The Aircraft has TWO aisles...Skybeds, PTV's with AVOD...whats the differences between a 744 and 332 to the NORMAL passenger?? Explanaion would be fantastic!

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
QF is going to lose passengers to NZ if they do this

Funny comment...

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
there pilots will not be happy about this

Actually pilots ar VERY happy regarding this decision...want to know why? 744 pilots now have more choice...Airbus 330 pilots now have a new destination, and the company on the whole is finally growing again.

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
QF is making a big mistake by putting A332 in place of 747 on the AKL-LAX route.

Dont think so!


User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14068 times:

On that note there has been a QF 743 here at LAX pretty consistently for the past two weeks


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14068 times:
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Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 11):
Says who or whom?? You? Let me tell you the aircraft is alot more comfortable for pax in reagrds to amenities offered on the aircrafts. The Aircraft has TWO aisles...Skybeds, PTV's with AVOD...whats the differences between a 744 and 332 to the NORMAL passenger?? Explanaion would be fantastic!

No, no! It's a smaller plane, it must be rubbish in comparison!  Yeah sure  Big grin



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User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3624 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13987 times:

[quote=Airnewzealand,reply=11]Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
Now I am reading that QF is drown grading to an A332, this do not make since.

Makes alot of sense when you work within the airline!

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
If the routes could not handle 747s any more why QF did not order 777 for it.

AKL-LAX can handle 744 fine...All year round. QF want to open up new routes, and use the aircrafts where they can generate profits GREATER than AKL-LAX.

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
An A332 is just to small for a flight this long

Says who or whom?? You? Let me tell you the aircraft is alot more comfortable for pax in reagrds to amenities offered on the aircrafts. The Aircraft has TWO aisles...Skybeds, PTV's with AVOD...whats the differences between a 744 and 332 to the NORMAL passenger?? Explanaion would be fantastic!

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
QF is going to lose passengers to NZ if they do this

Funny comment...

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
there pilots will not be happy about this

Actually pilots ar VERY happy regarding this decision...want to know why? 744 pilots now have more choice...Airbus 330 pilots now have a new destination, and the company on the whole is finally growing again.

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
QF is making a big mistake by putting A332 in place of 747 on the AKL-LAX route.

Dont think so!




Let's not forget the extra time in the air. A332 are slower than 747s.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13947 times:

Dude, seriously, what is your point? QF is not mistaken to have A332s do MEL-AKL-LAX. Seems to me you have gotten a lot of very clear and explanatory responses. You think that an extra half hour in the air matters when the flight is already more than 10 hours? Whatever the difference in flight duration is due to the A332 average speed versus the 744ER average speed, is going to be irrelevant and practically negligible.


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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13883 times:

Something got mixed up in the above post. Happened often recently.

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
If the routes could not handle 747s any more why QF did not order 777 for it.

Because they had A332 available. Furthermore you don't determine today that a given route is not viable anymore with the current airplane, then order a smaller one and get it tomorrow.

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
An A332 is just to small for a flight this long

How exactly does the size of an airplane relate to the length of the route it is flying? Or asked otherwise what could happen if you happen to be trapped in an airplane too small for the route? Wait, you could possibly .... ehmm ... yaa ... *shrug* (?)

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
QF is going to lose passengers to NZ if they do this

Apparently they already lost them, otherwise there was no no need to switch equipment to A330s.

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
also there pilots will not be happy about this

What a shame. Next time I am on that flight I think I will stop by at the cockpit and give them a hug. The world is so bad.

Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter):
QF is making a big mistake by putting A332 in place of 747 on the AKL-LAX route.

Did you consider giving them a call? I mean it doesn't bear thinking about if they really did a mistake!


Seriously the first thing I thought about was ETOPS, but it seems that it works just fine.


User currently offlineJRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13865 times:

What about capacity ? Is the AKL-LAX route not doing well? Guess its not as popular as i thought.

User currently offline*HighFlyah* From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13836 times:

Why does QF even fly AKL-LAX? It doesn't make sense. NZ isn't silly enough to fly SYD-LAX.

User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13813 times:

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 17):
What about capacity ? Is the AKL-LAX route not doing well? Guess its not as popular as i thought.

yes there will be a drop in capacity in 20J/155Y but for only 3 days a week. AKL-LAX is doing well, if it wasn't QF would not keep this service. Like Airnewzealand said the main reason for removing the B744 off that route for 3 days is to increase services else where i.e. BNE-LAX daily and SYD-JNB 6 weekly


User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13801 times:

Quoting *HighFlyah* (Reply 18):
Why does QF even fly AKL-LAX? It doesn't make sense. NZ isn't silly enough to fly SYD-LAX.

The tail does not wag the dog.


User currently offlineFllcontinental From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13782 times:

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 11):
Says who or whom?? You? Let me tell you the aircraft is alot more comfortable for pax in reagrds to amenities offered on the aircrafts. The Aircraft has TWO aisles...Skybeds, PTV's with AVOD...whats the differences between a 744 and 332 to the NORMAL passenger?? Explanaion would be fantastic!

Ones got 2 engines ones got 4.  Wink  Big grin  Yeah sure


User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25352 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13512 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 20):
Quoting *HighFlyah* (Reply 18):
Why does QF even fly AKL-LAX? It doesn't make sense. NZ isn't silly enough to fly SYD-LAX.

NZ did operate SYD-LAX nonstop for several years starting in 1994. I believe that service ended when Ansett Australia (then 100% owned by NZ) collapsed in 2001 and NZ lost their feeder network in Australia.

Don't forget that QF also operates their own domestic network iin New Zealand so they can feed the AKL-LAX route themselves.


User currently offlineMonteycarlos From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13151 times:

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 12):
On that note there has been a QF 743 here at LAX pretty consistently for the past two weeks

I guess the higher density configuration might be part of the reason for that. I believe the remaining four B743's are all configured in 2 class, 450 seat config. One B743 flight would add a fair amount of capacity to the route.

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 14):
Let's not forget the extra time in the air. A332 are slower than 747s.

You're clutching at straws here. Depending on winds, you're looking at around 40 minutes of extra flight time. However, look at it from the companies perspective. They now have a free B744 to operate another route where the loads are greater and where the CASM of a B744 will be better than on whatever previous equipment was operating (not necessarily an A330).

Also, factor in fast turn around times in AKL / LAX / MEL on the A330 as well as the ability to have another A330 positioned in the MEL base for maintenance (where it can fit in the hangar for daily inspections, AD's etc.) and you have a very well planned decision.

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 16):
Seriously the first thing I thought about was ETOPS, but it seems that it works just fine.

I thought of that also. By available air routes you're pushing the A330 very close to ETOPS boudaries but still well within its capabilities. If I remember correctly, the A332 has an exceptional long range capability and once held the world record for a civil airliner non-stop flight (TLS-MEL direct on delivery).

I think another benefit of the decision is the more comfortable cabin. The A330 has very good comfort levels, as well as being very quiet. For me, that is very important on long haul flights.



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User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3624 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13105 times:

Quoting Airnewzealand (Reply 11):
Says who or whom?? You? Let me tell you the aircraft is alot more comfortable for pax in reagrds to amenities offered on the aircrafts. The Aircraft has TWO aisles...Skybeds, PTV's with AVOD...whats the differences between a 744 and 332 to the NORMAL passenger?? Explanaion would be fantastic!

The prestige of riding on a 747. There something about riding on a large plane, for example I happy QF is using an A380 on the SYD-LAX route. Look I am a 747 fan and I believe that if you going to replace a 747, replace it with a worthy plane. A380 is a worthy replacement for a 747 and 777 300ER is an almost worthy replacement for a 747, but not an A332!

I finally forgiven A330s for replacing Aer Lingus 747s, now this happen. Well it could be worst, they could have replace the 747s with 767s on this route.


25 Qantas787 : Gee 747400sp are you surprised by the vehemence of the responses you are getting? Their not beating around the bush are they? Actually for what it's w
26 Monteycarlos : Are you thinking at all about what you're posting? You cannot seriously argue that an airliners decision for replacing an aircraft on a specific rout
27 Nzrich : Have to admit its a nice aircraft to fly in .. But on a long haul flight i would take NZ's 34" pitch compared to QF's 31" even thou i do enjoy flying
28 SkyyMaster : I beleive the folks at Airbus might take offense to the 332 being referred to as a "small" aircraft.
29 ANstar : Well people better get used to it. I'm sure Air NZ will havge 787's on North American routes once they start arriving. Or, you could jump on one of th
30 Gunships : Whew!! Man, are we glad to hear that. signed, The Aer Lingus/Airbus Team
31 777STL : I'm going to go out on a limb and say you've never even flown on QF. Shoot guys, if all airlines had 16 year old, know-it-all armchair CEOs, we would
32 Monteycarlos : I'd take NZ just for the wine.
33 Post contains images Ikramerica : NZ has 32" pitch on the 777s. I believe QF is putting 32" pitch on these newer A332s, but I could be mistaken. Well, I have, and I would rather be on
34 Monteycarlos : Does anyone know what the plans are for the JQ A332's when the 787's arrive? I assume they will either stay at JQ or be integrated into the QF system
35 Avek00 : I love the 747 too, and the 747-400 in particular, but the "prestige" value (i.e., the fare premium specifically attributable to choice of a/c type)
36 VHVXB : Either that or they maybe given to Qantas Group's newest acquisition Pacific Airlines
37 474218 : What DOESN'T make SENSE is the statement above. And from what school did you get your degree in airline management?
38 777STL : I'd argue "prestige" has sold more than a few 380s. I've flown on every model of aircraft QF flies save the 330s and the 743. I didn't have a bad exp
39 Ikramerica : Well my reply was to someone being chastised for saying they wouldn't want to fly the QF 767 transpac, and I agree with that person. The 767 was fine
40 Flynavy : Are you kidding me with this statement? Get a grip, or a life - one of the two.
41 JetMech : Just like the B763 is too small for Hawaiian Airlines to fly from Sydney to Hawaii? Most professional airline planning department personnel tend to m
42 777STL : Ahh okay, I was confused, I didn't think I had said anything about the 767. I didn't realize you were comparing the 767 to the 330.
43 Airnewzealand : Qantas has NEVER operated the A332 on HKG flights. Im guessing you are referring to the A333? In regards to WHY QF are replacing 744 on CERTAIN days
44 Qantas787 : You are absolutely correct. My apologies for the indiscretion. Although it doesn't change the comfort factor.
45 Platinumfoota : Seeing how a 747 has a higher crusing speed than the 332, How much longer will it take for the 332 to go AKL-LAX than the 747?
46 VT977 : I agree...QF should use the USS ENTERPRISE on this route with Capt.Picard in command. That would be fun and prestigious.
47 VT977 :
48 VT977 : BTW I have flown the 332 and really liked it.
49 Post contains images Zkpilot : Except for the crew not having a decent crew rest and longer flight... 11 and 12 hours AKL-LAX, LAX-AKL respectively... add 30 mins to that...pax rea
50 ANstar : Will the new A332's (which are destined for long haul ops) stuill not have a proper crew rest?
51 Airnewzealand : Correct... Rumours are still floating around regarding this..but nothing has been set in stone yet. Doors, B-zone and back C zone centre section. LMA
52 Post contains images Zkpilot : Yeah hmm SYD-LAX daytime flights are always bundles of joy also lol always thought they seemed slightly roomier...(slightly haha)
53 Airnewzealand : LOL...I see you have had the (mis)-fortune of operating the QF11... Hope your well mate, havent seen you around in a while aye! Go the All Blacks bro
54 Monteycarlos : Are the seats not the exact same ones that are on the B744?
55 Nzrich : I dont know about the 31-32" on the A332 but if your flying AKL-LAX on NZ you will fly on the 744 with 34" seat pitch and with those two choices i wi
56 Post contains images Zkpilot : Yeah the 34" is very nice. 777 32" is nice too as they have wider seats also. Haha yeah a few times... nah its all good aye... did an interesting FRA
57 ZKSUJ : I also like the prestige of the 747, and I too believe that the 77W is not quite a worthy replacement for the 744. That is why I would like to see ca
58 Airnewzealand : You tin arse!!! I havent been to FRA in around 2 years now! The days of doing back to back FRA and going to Amsterdam, Rome and Paris by rent-a-car o
59 ZK-NBT : I've said this before, it has nothing to do with loads, QF are packed most of the time MEL-AKL-LAX! Like Airnewzealand said the 744's is going on ext
60 Post contains images ManchesterMAN : Actually they could fly to LHR and FRA at least (via HKG), not that they would. This gets me thinking though, perhaps QF could start a SYD-HKG-MAN ro
61 ANstar : QF won;t eb flying to MAN anytime soon. Watch our for Jetstar though in 2009/2010 I'd expect the 3 x weekly A332 frequency to revert back to 744 agai
62 Faro : This thread is non-sensical, because it is basically about personal preferences, and really nothing else. I personally don't understand why LAX-AKL is
63 Post contains images YULWinterSkies : Because they ordered A330s, and 787s.
64 SkyyMaster : Hey look at it this way. Every airline would be flying 744's and Whalebuses. It would be a spotters delight. As for this thread, I expect once those
65 TreeHillRavens : If i'm not mistaken, the new QF long-haul 332 will come with proper a crew rest (for both flight and cabin crew). According to NZ, some rows on their
66 Highflier92660 : In the real world, air fares followed by seat pitch and in-flight service drive a passengers airline selection rather than the type of aircraft. Here
67 Koruman : To be frank, almost everyone here has missed the point. Qantas is using smaller aircraft on AKL-LAX because Air New Zealand has regained much of the m
68 JRDC930 : Now if only the superior service would affect lousy UA to down grade their service then we'd have a nice route served only by airlines with good serv
69 LH423 : Please don't tell me that you're involved in the finance and/or business planning departments of any large corportations. Airlines cannot fly airplan
70 Dallasnewark : Maybe it's a good thing that he never flown on QF. a 31" pitch on a 13 hour flight just reeks of comfort
71 777STL : I didn't think it was bad, certainly better than any US carrier I've been on. I think seat pitch is somewhat deceptive in that regard, I don't think
72 Airnewzealand : Interesting comment! Have you flown Qantas? Qantas comes NOWHERE near "lower prices." It is one of the most expensive airlines to fly. Especially Ex-
73 Viscount724 : Not just state-owned airlines. Most major US domestic carriers were early 747 customers, whether it made sense for their route networks or not, becau
74 AerorobNZ : Let talk as a Gate Agent, who regularly does QF25 departures..... It is infinitely preferable to the domestic spec 747-300s that they ware replacing o
75 Post contains images Ikramerica : I flew the LAX-SYD day flight. it was great! Then again, I was in F (row 1) and the 744ER had AVOD and the Dom was flowing freely on that flight, so
76 EXAAUADL : i think he means that QF will spill traffic to NZ, as capacity will be significantly lower...also cargo capacity wil lbe much lower and now LAX wont
77 Koruman : Air New Zealand briefly used the 777 on NZ1/2 AKL-LAX-LHR and it was a disaster, with inadequate premium capacity and loyal premium passengers unable
78 Post contains images 747400sp : Thank you for being on my side. Would you call it a large airliner? Well as sad as it is, you may be right, but this is a sad for the QF AKL-LAX rout
79 SandroZRH : And you still haven't replied to any of the good arguments against you brought up by many posters in this thread, or have come up with an argument to
80 777STL : I still don't see this perceived prestige lost from downgauging to a 332? This thread doesn't make much sense to me. Maybe in your mind this is sad, b
81 747400sp : Ok, I am stubborn, and yes I know QF is making sound business decision, but don't I have the right to let off some steam over it. Seriously! SandroZR
82 747400sp : I mean should not answer any of my post!
83 747400sp : This topic prevent anymore personal attacks, I am close this now!
84 474218 : Could you please explain the statement above? I think you mean: To prevent anymore personal attacks, I am going to close this forum. But that is not
85 Aces727 : The A330 is no small plane for such route, Lan Chile and Aerolineas Argentinas use the A340 to fly to Sydney from Buenos Aires and Santiago with a sto
86 AerorobNZ : Exactly. with 2-4-2 and a more modern/reliable cabin it is likely to be very popular.
87 Nzrich : Sorry i thought the 772 had been replaced by now on this route .. Yes the 772 does do some trips now but will be replaced by the 744 from nov onwards
88 Rongotai : QF Group Sales Manager, Russell Williss's speech to the Wellington Chamber of Commerce, reported in the NZ papers this morning, partly explains what i
89 AerorobNZ : not just domestic. QF116 BNE/QF134 MEL/QF126 BNE are all operated with 733/734 QF domestic aircraft. You should see the issues we have with those air
90 ZK-NBT : It's scheduled to be back to a 73H from October 28th. Hopefully this is the case! I hear the MEL-AKL loads sometimes on QF25 and they are high 300's
91 Columba : Seems to me that AF, SQ see the 77W their flagship now, while LH e.g. has its premium aircraft is the A346 now and not the 747-400 for many airlines
92 AerorobNZ : Yeah I believe so, but still any 737 doesn't really have the space in galleys etc that they need for a carrier such as QF that serves complimentary f
93 747400sp : Ok! I look at some of you guys point, and may be it is a good thing QF down size to an A332. I wish got chance to see QF 743 on this routes in person
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