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User currently offlineRussianJet From Kyrgyzstan, joined Jul 2007, 7633 posts, RR: 23
Posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 19627 times:
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6997381.stm
I know the crash is already being discussed, but what exactly do they mean by this?

"A French tourist aboard a plane behind the one that crashed told AFP news agency she saw the accident happen.

"When the plane landed it caught fire," she said. "We could see the fire coming out of it." "

How exactly did she see what she says she saw? Was she on approach behind the unlucky MD-82, or did they actually land right after it crashed?

Doesn't make much sense to me. Also, by the by, what is "an aviation official"?


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 19590 times:

Her plane might have been turning towards the runway, and had not lined up yet.

User currently offlineRussianJet From Kyrgyzstan, joined Jul 2007, 7633 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 19543 times:
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Quoting EI321 (Reply 1):
Her plane might have been turning towards the runway, and had not lined up yet.

Maybe, but does anyone with a knowledge of the approach there know if such an account is plausible?



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Kyrgyzstan, joined Jul 2007, 7633 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 19519 times:
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And I should add, in the stated weather conditions?


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User currently offlineRivet42 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 19150 times:

... I'm not quite sure what the issue is here. More than likely, if this passenger's plane landed after the One-Two-Go one, then she may have observed the aftermath of the crash, rather than the actual crash itself. It's easy for people to be less than precise with their accounts in the stressful moments after such an incident, and for the attending press to misquote everyone in sight (not necessairly in order to 'get a good story', but more likely because at that time the details are far from clear).

Maybe her plane was indeed in an approach circuit, and the fire would have been pretty obvious from the air, even in heavy rain. Why doubt her account? What difference does it make anyway?

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
Also, by the by, what is "an aviation official"?

Er, I'm just guessing here, but possibly someone who works in an 'official' (i.e. governmental) capacity, in the (Thai) 'aviation' industry...??  duck 

Riv'



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User currently offlineJohnKrist From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1397 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 17823 times:
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You've never been in a crosswind landing? I have seen the whole length of the runway on numerous crosswind approaches!


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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2220 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 17322 times:
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If she was, as the story states, behind the MD-82 then I'm to assume it was also in the landing pattern and not waiting for takeoff. Holding for T/O certainly would have given a runway view. In the landing pattern she could have had several possible sights like a right angle on base leg and straight by the sight on what certainly would have been an aborted landing.


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User currently offlineYVRtoYYZ From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 17152 times:

However, the airport issued a station notam indicating that the 09/27 at VTSP was "closed due to disabled aircraft." Therefore, any enroute aircraft would have been forced to go to their alternate and any departing aircraft would have been impacted by the closure.

[Edited 2007-09-17 07:01:59]

User currently offlineRussianJet From Kyrgyzstan, joined Jul 2007, 7633 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14534 times:
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Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 4):
but possibly someone who works in an 'official' (i.e. governmental) capacity, in the (Thai) 'aviation' industry...?

Gee, hadn't thought of that. Yeah sure I think you know what I meant there - it's a pretty vague thing to call someone. In no way does it tell us how this guy is qualified to speak about the crash.

Quoting JohnKrist (Reply 5):
You've never been in a crosswind landing? I have seen the whole length of the runway on numerous crosswind approaches!

Alas, no I haven't! Never copped it properly with strong crosswinds before. Am interested to feel what it would be like.

I know it's possible to see a runway on approach etc. but was really wondering at what stage her plane was at (following, holding etc.) and how much she realistically would have been able to see.



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User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12507 times:

Maybe it's lost in translation, and her plane landed prior to the one that crashed, i.e. the plane that crashed was behind her plane.

User currently offlineRussianJet From Kyrgyzstan, joined Jul 2007, 7633 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 12253 times:
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Quoting RussianJet (Reply 8):
Maybe it's lost in translation, and her plane landed prior to the one that crashed, i.e. the plane that crashed was behind her plane.

Exactly, this is precisely the kind of thing I'm wondering.



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User currently offlineBeechNut From Canada, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 720 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11705 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 2):
Maybe, but does anyone with a knowledge of the approach there know if such an account is plausible?

I would assume she was sitting on the right side of the plane and may have seen the immediate aftermath in the go-around, if the spacing between the two aircraft was quite close.

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User currently offlineWoodentom From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11440 times:

i flew into phuket last year and you could see the airport from quite a distance. We flew in from bangkok so came in from the north over the Phang Nga marine park to the NE of phuket and from the right hand side of the plane, you could see where the airport was.

it was very good weather though

i would imagine a fireball could be seen from quite a way but i don't think she would have actually seen the plane land.


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7345 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10085 times:

Quoting BeechNut (Reply 11):
I would assume she was sitting on the right side of the plane and may have seen the immediate aftermath in the go-around,

That was my assumption also - and her aircraft would have either returned to origin, or landed at an alternate if it was in the air since the runway appears to be fouled in the photos.

However, she could very well have been in an aircraft planning to takeoff after the landing which became a crash - because to many people an aircraft at the head of the runway would be "behind" a just landed aircraft.

Exciting quote - no context.


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9829 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 1):
Her plane might have been turning towards the runway, and had not lined up yet.

I am guessing here right now but: If the weather was really bad I assume the pilot of the MD-82 had a low visibility furthermore if the aircraft in which this woman was sitting had not lined up yet I assume they were away quite some distance ( up to a few miles). So how could she see it then? The only possibility what I think could be that they were in approach and made a go-around with a quick left or right turn and then she saw it.

Maybe she is just a media-whore.  Smile


User currently offlineCopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9592 times:

Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 4):
More than likely, if this passenger's plane landed after the One-Two-Go one, then she may have observed the aftermath of the crash

I doubt she either landed or departed after the crash, she might have flown by though.

Often a commercial airport is closed when the fire equipment is not available, and the equipment would not have been available if needed since it was dealing with the crash. Also, once the crash happened, the airport became a "crash scene" and evidence could be disturbed by additional traffic.

But, this IS Thailand...


User currently offlinePRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 1105 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8927 times:

Another old lesson learned...DO NOT MESS WITH NATURE!!! Why do they attempt to land under poor conditions??? Poor judgement call what a pity...

User currently offlineSsflyboy25 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7300 times:

I didn't look into this further (on my way to work to go flying Big grin) but perhaps there are parallel approaches at this airport... that might give her and anyone on that side of the plane a good view.... just a thought.

User currently offlineDavidkunzVIE From Austria, joined Mar 2007, 431 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4092 times:

Parallel approaches at an airport with one (1) runway would be kinda interesting.  Wink


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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
"When the plane landed it caught fire," she said. "We could see the fire coming out of it." "

I'm guessing that they did not actually see the airplane crash but they saw it a few minutes after the incident and I'm sure there was still fire coming out of the airplane.



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User currently offlineOhsopc From Thailand, joined Jul 2006, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

from my understanding there is one plane on hold at the end of the runway for takeoff. maybe her seat was facing the runway and therefore would have witness the aircraft crash.

User currently offlineCopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

Quoting Ssflyboy25 (Reply 17):
but perhaps there are parallel approaches at this airport...

Nope, only parallel approach there would be to the taxiway! The east end of the runway passes between two hills, so you wouldn't want to get too far away from the runway centerline!


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