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Philippine Thread # 4 - Will 5J Fly To The US?  
User currently offlineLeamside From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 444 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7129 times:

With Philippine Thread number 3 more than three months old and about 150 replies long I think it is time to move on to a fourth thread

To start:
What is your take on Cebu Pacific's plan to fly within 18 months to SFO &/or LAX, & onward to either ORD or IAH as per John Gokongwei in an ABS-CBN news article http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=92726 ?

When LCC Oasis Hong Kong Airways commenced HK-London service last year, Doug McVitie, a France-based aviation consultant said, "There is no long haul model for low fares airlines. It just doesn't work". A year later Oasis is still alive and flies to Vancouver with plans to fly Oakland to serve the San Francisco area.


To facilitate navigation of previous Philippine discussion click on:
Thread 1: Mabuhay! Philippine Aviation Thread #1 (by N751PR Mar 5 2007 in Civil Aviation)
Thread 2: RE: Exploited Skies: Philippine Aviation, Part 2 (by AirlineAddict May 30 2007 in Civil Aviation)
Thread 3: Philippine Thread # 3. PAL 777 Orders Now At 6! (by Leamside Jun 6 2007 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2007-09-17 07:45:58]

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User currently offlineLeamside From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7120 times:

Late breaking news is that PAL is coming out of receivership next month and ahead of it's year-end target. The balance of its debt will be paid in the next 7 years using internally generated funds.

User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7114 times:

So what would 5J offer that is currently not available in the west coast USA-MNL market?

More capacity...Is USA-MNL truly underserved?

More frequency...Would they be able to serve the market daily? Or enough to generate a following?

Lower fares...Do they have the ability to dramatically lower fares relative to the other players?

Level of service...Can they offer a product differentiated from the other players either on a better level of service, or are customers willing to expect less for a lower fare?

Customer awerness...Is 5J strictly a Filipino oriented carrier, or would americans who travel to MNL learn to travel it as well?


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day ago) and read 7047 times:

Ive read somewhere that 5J will stick to its core business, ie flying within ASIA only.

So, I dont think we should hold our breath for 5J in LAX or SFO.

Drew



AMS-LAX-MNL
User currently offlineLeamside From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7018 times:

Quoting KL808 (Reply 3):
Ive read somewhere that 5J will stick to its core business, ie flying within ASIA only.

Precisely what I though until yesterday's ABS-CBN & Manila Standard articles got published:
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=92726 (paragraph 6) &
http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=business5_sept17_2007

In the provincial scene, SEAir has inaugurated Cebu-Pagadian flights using the Dornier 328!


User currently offlineLAXPAX From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 6968 times:

Quoting N77014 (Reply 2):
So what would 5J offer that is currently not available in the west coast USA-MNL market?

Well in terms of flying LAX-MNL direct, what is currently not available is competition: it's PAL or nothing. My wife does not like having to connect in Taipei or elsewhere when she visits her family in Manila, so that leaves the other carriers out.

As long as 5J could provide a comparable level of service and a competitive fare, we would definitely consider it.



"Remember, no matter where you go... there you are." -- Buckaroo Banzai
User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 6925 times:

If 5J starts flying to the US, I don't think they can compete with PR if they fly to SFO or LAX or LAS/YVR. I think they will be better off mounting flights to cities which are not currently served by Philippine Airlines. i.e, ORD, JFK, IAH, SEA, SAN.

Really tho, I don't see 5J flying across the Pacific in less than 5 years from now.

-Jasp



-peace and chicken grease!
User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 6917 times:

Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 6):
If 5J starts flying to the US, I don't think they can compete with PR if they fly to SFO or LAX or LAS/YVR. I think they will be better off mounting flights to cities which are not currently served by Philippine Airlines. i.e, ORD, JFK, IAH, SEA, SAN.



The reason why I said it because load wise, where PR flies, SFO/LAX/LAS, load factor is not always good - for example, even their least expensive fares for this month of September are widely available - except for December travel. However, it is said that load factor is not a single determinant of profit for PR on this route. Price wise, to fly to MNL from SFO or LAX, Philippine Airline's price is most often times higher than other carriers, which is probably one reason why most Filipinos tend to fly other carriers. Experience wise, out of all my clients that I book to the Philippines, only 30% flies with PAL, the rest divided among other carriers. However, most of my business clients to the Philippines take PR.

I am not sure if this is accurate but I often see PR's business class seats booked up tho. -- which shows that business travelers would rather fly straight to Manila than make connections somewhere else.

If 5J is to get into the Northern American market, the way I look at it, and if they want to cater to the Filipino community, unless their fares are at least $200 cheaper, people will still prefer PAL over them. Flying into locations that PR doesn't currently serve is also a good idea for 5J.

-Jasp



-peace and chicken grease!
User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1447 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 6903 times:

Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 6):
If 5J starts flying to the US, I don't think they can compete with PR if they fly to SFO or LAX or LAS/YVR. I think they will be better off mounting flights to cities which are not currently served by Philippine Airlines. i.e, ORD, JFK, IAH, SEA, SAN.

I bet you that if 5J announces MNL-SAN tomorrow, PAL would be right behind them so it wouldn't make a difference.

Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 7):
Philippine Airline's price is most often times higher than other carriers, which is probably one reason why most Filipinos tend to fly other carriers

huuh?? No it's not...

Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 7):
However, most of my business clients to the Philippines take PR.

This is because they are the cheapest and most companies will book the cheapest business class ticket. All my co-workers fly PAL because when they call our corporate travel department, PAL ALWAYS has the lowest fares. Personally, I've flown SFO-MNL 6 times in the last year and have managed to stay away from th 20 degrees reclining business lass seats compared to 167 degrees on OZ or KE for a few hundred dollars more.

Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 7):
I am not sure if this is accurate but I often see PR's business class seats booked up tho. -- which shows that business travelers would rather fly straight to Manila than make connections somewhere else.

Again, because they are the cheapest. It doesn't save you that much time between flying direct on PAL from the Left coast as compared to making a two-hour layover in NRT HKG on ICN.

Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 7):
Flying into locations that PR doesn't currently serve is also a good idea for 5J.

See above, won't make a difference because PAL and maybe others will follow suit.



If you're going through hell, keep going
User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 6895 times:

NorCal, based on my experience in selling seats to the Philippines, PAL is not always the least expensive. i.e, for this month, an airline is selling seats to Manila for less than $600.00 plus tax, and PR's least expensive price for the same period is $650+ plus tax. Except on peak season, with a connecting flight from small towns in California, you can even have prices as low as $800 tax inclusive to Manila on other carriers where at the same time, PR's flight is $950+ and that is only flying out of LAX or SFO.

I am not about to argue here, but based on my experience, PAL is not always the least expensive.

-Jasp



-peace and chicken grease!
User currently offlineLurveBus From Philippines, joined Mar 2007, 286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6840 times:

While transpacs for 5J would be cool, can they really expand that quickly? They've got a lot of ATRs coming in in the next few years, not to mention that 20 A320s are arriving within the same timeframe. Cebu Pacific is going to double its size. Will they be able to commence longhaul services that quickly given that there is a pilot shortage in the Philippines? It also doesn't help that all three terminals in MNL (T1, T2, Manila Domestic) are operating at full capacity until T3 opens. That, and the MIAA is considering shifting to a slot system like LHR.

Plus, by 2008, PR will be flying transpac with a new longhaul product. Not as new as I'd like, as CX and SQ are showing off kickass J products while PR is going for plain old recaro, but PR will probably be flying double-daily to LAX/SFO by 2011. For 5J to compete with that would be difficult.

On a different note, I'd like to see what the new air bilateral with New Zealand is like. The media says that they discussed air rights for CRK, and PR is saying that it's considering flying to AKL. I wonder if the service would really materialize.

Oh, and congratulation to PR for exiting receivership. Now, they're free to make megalomaniac orders again Big grin


User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6809 times:

Talking about route expansions in Phlippine aviation, with the opening of ILO International airport, do you think we are going to see an international flight flying in and out of ILO soon?? I am thinkinig perhaps 3x/weekly to HKG to start with. What do you all think?

-Jasp



-peace and chicken grease!
User currently offlineLeamside From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6787 times:

Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 11):
Talking about route expansions in Phlippine aviation

Minutes ago the Philippine Information Agency quoted former PAL president Zapanta as saying that SEAir's "future focus is to develop tourism and international routes out of Zamboanga and Davao". Also, that, "As the only local commercial airline offering inter-Mindanao flights, we at SEAIR feel that we have been a factor in the growth of commerce in the region."

In his book "100 Years of Philippine Aviation, 1909-2009: A Focus on Airline Management" Zapanta briefly mentions Mindanao Express, the only carrier with a focus on Mindanao & EAGA, and how it most likely would have become a success had it not been for the contagion that hit Asia in the late 90s.

Seven years after Mindanao Express' demise, perhaps SEAir can be a success in Mindanao.

Here's a photo of Mindanao Express' Beech 1900C by Carlos M. Doria : http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=200116


User currently offlineSean-SAN- From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 770 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 6784 times:

Maybe 5J should worry about their current operations. Tons of their pilots are leaving to fly for higher paying Asian airlines, and their current flights are always chronically late. The agent said she couldn't remember when MNL-CGK was ever less than a few hours late.

User currently offlineLurveBus From Philippines, joined Mar 2007, 286 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week ago) and read 6735 times:

Speaking of SEair, whatever happened to their partnership with Tiger Airways? Has it gone anywhere at all?

Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 13):
current flights are always chronically late. The agent said she couldn't remember when MNL-CGK was ever less than a few hours late.

That would be really bad, considering that the ASEAN flights leave in the middle of the night when most domestic flying is already done.


User currently offlineLeamside From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6631 times:

Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 13):
their current flights are always chronically late

Yet, Cebu Pacific's website still shows that Cebu Pacific time—is the new Filipino time.

"Challenging outdated concept of "Filipino Time" (that is, perpetually late), Cebu Pacific launched a new ad campaign . . . that says: "on time—Cebu Pacific time—is the new Filipino time." We understand that the new Pinoy traveler can no longer afford to be late. Cebu Pacific passengers can rest easy knowing they'll arrive at their destinations on time in order to savor each second of a precious moment." Source: http://www.cebupacificair.com/aboutus/ads/index.html


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6516 times:

http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=business5_sept17_2007

Seems like Lance was in Toulouse to check out A340's for planned routes to the US, seems like he wants to mirror Air Asia X.

I guess this will probably happen sooner or later.

Drew



AMS-LAX-MNL
User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6477 times:

A single-class A340 with 300+ pax flying across the Pacific for 13hrs.... Makes me wonder then, what is the cabin service of other LCC's that fly longhaul? do they serve free meals, free beverages too?? or are they for purchase?

-Jasp



-peace and chicken grease!
User currently offlineLeamside From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 444 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6457 times:

Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 17):
flying across the Pacific for 13hrs

Make that 14 hours on the 340 and as allowance for those heavy balikbayan boxes which travel eastbound as well  Wink I wonder if 5J will fly Cebu-Oakland or Manila-Oakland rather than Manila-SFO. Maybe seasonal at first? Just a thought. Do you travel agents have stats re traveller origins from the islands?

Back in the PI, Asian Spirit is poised to acquire two MD-83s in two to three months and one more BAE-146 before November. http://www.manilatimes.net/national/.../yehey/business/20070913bus12.html Anyone with ideas where these planes are coming from?

Thanks.


User currently offlineJasp25 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6446 times:

I do not have those data RE: Stats on travelers from PI. I am pretty sure tho that Filipino OFWs are quite evenly distributed around the Philippines.

-Jasp



-peace and chicken grease!
User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4841 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6385 times:

Quoting KL808 (Reply 16):
Seems like Lance was in Toulouse to check out A340's for planned routes to the US,

Could those be the two cancelled birds indicated in the 09/11/07 Airbus orders update?.....

2007 Orders: Part 2 (by Hamlet69 Jun 17 2007 in Civil Aviation)


Quoting Azhobo (Reply 137):
Large twin: B777=101, A340= -2


From the Manila Standard link.....

Quote:
"Not only that, a confident John Gokongwei Jr. thinks Cebu Pacific is ready to go long-haul like fellow low-cost carrier Air Asia of Malaysia, with the taipan aiming to cross the Pacific and launch non-stop flights to the United States West Coast, and possibly onwards to Houston and Chicago, by mid-2009.

But the taipan is quick to admit that he has yet to fully convince his son and Cebu Pacific president, Lance, about the long-haul dream especially how the attendant cost-escalations would impact on the financial model of a single-class, short-haul, quick turn-around budget airline."


5J would be well-served delving more deeply into the effects of rapid expansion and the resulting highly leveraged situations at the different Asian LCCs.



"Everyone is entitled to my opinion." - Garfield
User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6340 times:

Quoting LurveBus (Reply 10):
and PR is saying that it's considering flying to AKL. I wonder if the service would really materialize.

Certainly hope so. As a freq traveller to the Phils I have eagerly awaited this. Given the amount of potentially lucrative business class revenue from the large number of senior healthcare professionals arriving in NZ every month, I would expect any carrier to operate this to be pleasantly surprised.

If indeed this did come to pass, any idea what would type they would operate AKL-MNL?


User currently offlineAirlineAddict From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6330 times:
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Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 8):
Quoting Jasp25 (Reply 7):
I am not sure if this is accurate but I often see PR's business class seats booked up tho. -- which shows that business travelers would rather fly straight to Manila than make connections somewhere else.

Again, because they are the cheapest. It doesn't save you that much time between flying direct on PAL from the Left coast as compared to making a two-hour layover in NRT HKG on ICN.

I would have to disagree regarding time savings on the MNL - SFO/LAX leg. PR is roughly 12 hours while the shortest via NRT/HKG/ICN is 15.5 hours. Saving 3 hours is a lot... that's if PR is on time, of course.  Wink


Regarding 5J to the US, I am surprised to see Houston on Mr. Gokongwei's radar screen. China Airlines is able to succeed here due to connections to Southeast Asia, especially Vietnam. Maybe 5J will time US flights to connect will with their Asian network.


User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6327 times:

I wonder how long it will be until PR increases its YVR/LAS flights to daily.. seem to always be asking the Canadian government for an extension of their authority to operate 5 flights per week (as they are technically allowed only 4). They must be doing ok.

I think MNL would be on AC's horizon when they start to receive their 787s in 2010.

PR is increasing its MEL flights as well. Good to see as this is part of MEL's rebuilding of many international flights lost over the last few years.


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 days ago) and read 6305 times:

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 21):
If indeed this did come to pass, any idea what would type they would operate AKL-MNL?

Expect either A330's or A340's. This is one destination that has me scratching my head for years. What took so long?

Its such a drag to get to the Philippines from NZ. Either through Australia or KUL, SIN or BKK. A direct flight will surely be great, and cut travel times between the 2 cities.

Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 20):
Could those be the two cancelled birds indicated in the 09/11/07 Airbus orders update?.....

The only way to do this is with A346's. But we'll just have to wait and see.

2 frames though wont give 5J a decent schedule.

Drew



AMS-LAX-MNL
25 Post contains links Jasp25 : Bacolod to South Korea direct flights may soon start... Here's part of the article: Quoting Tourism Secretary Ace Durano, Bacolod Rep. Monico Puenteve
26 Post contains images QF175 : Not sure whether the following is true or not.. But according to some Queensland Tourism bodies, Philippine Airlines has shown strong interest in laun
27 ZK-NBT : It would be a 343 if it was MNL-AKL non stop. As a spotter I'd love to see PR in AKL but I am a little skeptical of how large the market really is an
28 SANFan : The thinking (rumor) last year and earlier this year was that PR was planning on doing MNL-YVR-LAS 4 days a week and MNL-YVR-SAN 2 or 3 days a week (
29 EDICHC : I would guess you have been fortunate enough then to enjoy relatively good health then...If you were unfortunate enough to have been hospitalised jus
30 Post contains links LurveBus : PR's winter schedule is out... http://www.philippineairlines.com/fi...er_Summer_Timetable_21Sept2007.pdf and are they leasing extra planes? Coz their
31 LurveBus : These are probably just gonna be charter services, like the Incheon-Palawan flights a few years ago. Earlier this year, there was a lot of noise abou
32 SKA380 : I'm goin to Philippines in 4 days, woohooo! Does anyone know a new (and hopefully final) opening date for the new Terminal 3 ?? Leif
33 Post contains images LurveBus : Cool! How long are ya staying? There isn't a definite date at the moment, and even if there were one, nobody would believe it given that everyone who
34 Post contains images SKA380 : I'm there for 3 weeks of beach and tanduay This T3 issue is getting really annoying i must say, as the current international terminal is screamin for
35 Leamside : Maybe, just maybe, PAL will once in a while fly to SFO & LAX via Honolulu using an A-330. After all, it hasn't been unusual for PAL in the past to su
36 Post contains images Norcal773 : Huuh? SFO-MNL fligth leaves SFO at 10:30 PM PST and get's to MNL at around 5:00 AM local time ( 2 PM PST) That's 15.5 hours and if you're lucky enoug
37 Airlineaddict : I was talking about the MNL-SFO leg not SFO-MNL. I definitely agree that there's little difference on the westbound leg, but eastbound, you can't bea
38 KL808 : I think they got the slot from 5J. I believe not too long ago they relinquished 2 slots in the B757 range which is roughly the size of 1 extra A330 f
39 Post contains links KL808 : A380 to MNL between October 8 - 15 !!! Wow, according to Flight International, the A380 will be visiting 2 airports in the Luzon area this coming Octo
40 Jasp25 : No sh*t! Wow I thought MNL isn't A380-capable but looks like the big momma is gonna be there soon! Great news! -Jasp
41 KL808 : Maybe PR will have a nice look and order 2. Drew
42 Jasp25 : Would be nice, but does PR have the financial capability order a couple of them? Last time I heard about them, they were trying to secure some loans
43 Post contains images Norcal773 : You're right, can't beat the Westbound leg time-wise but like you said, if it's on time. This is freakin' exciting. Was contemplating heading out to
44 Leamside : For the spotters at SFO & especially EWR which does not have any Philippine Airlines flights, President Macapagal is scheduled to stop by San Francisc
45 Jasp25 : Where do you think are they gonna park this beast in MNL??
46 KL808 : I think the best spot is in front of Lufthansa Hangers. Drew
47 Post contains images DEVILFISH : That's the M$$$$$ question. This had often been reported as El Capitan's pipe dream. But wouldn't it be a logistical challenge for PR as their long-h
48 Post contains images Leamside : All these long and hyphenated international airport, ex and current presidential names got me confused. I meant Pres. Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo PGMA -
49 Post contains images CityAirline : Great, but how did that happen? OMG, finally! This is so great! I envy you suckers who can be there to see this! //Alex
50 Jasp25 : Suck it all you want but the cool a.netters guys in MNL and CRK will post pics of the big momma here on A.Net for us -- right guys? LOL -Jasp
51 Post contains images Norcal773 : YES. I'll ask again, anyone wanna go Whalejet spotting??
52 Leamside : Pres. Arroyo's flight, PR001, has just filed a flight plan. It will depart SFO at 11:00 PM PDT Sept 25, and will arrive EWR (Newark Liberty Internatio
53 Post contains links Leamside : The respectable Wall Street Journal has just come out with a commentary entitled "Philippine Fly-Over". Very interesting read especially for those amo
54 LurveBus : I'm game!!! (for MNL, anyway, I'm not going all the way to CRK just to see it) I have no idea where to spot from, though. The libingan ng mga Bayani
55 Post contains images LurveBus : I can't access the article... would you mind giving us the gist of it?
56 Terryb99 : I will be in Pampanga October 6 & 7, and Manila the 8th and 9th. I will keep an eye out for when and where th big bird is coming in.
57 Norcal773 : I have no idea either but I have a friend who lives somewhere in Paranaque and he was telling me the other day that his neighbour's roof top deck is
58 Post contains links Leamside : LurveBus, I didn't realize the article was only for subscribers. But better than just a gist, I found the full article copied and posted in full at h
59 Leamside : For those who missed seeing Presidential Charter flight PR001 last Tuesday, the plane will be back at SFO tonight around 6PM PDT. The plane leaves EWR
60 Jasp25 : I have looked up the PR equipment schedule for winter and it is a combination of A340-300 and B747-400. Nothing shows an A330. Also, all MNL/HNL and v
61 Post contains links Jasp25 : PHILIPPINE AIRLINES GETS APPROVAL TO EXIT REHAB. "MANILA, Philippines -- The Securities and Exchange Commission has approved Philippine Airlines’ (P
62 Qblue : Is PAL using 747 YVR-MNL instead of 340 21Oct and 7th Feb? I just booked my father and requested bulkhead aisle and got 31D and that is only on 744 no
63 Post contains links Jasp25 : PR107 - 21OCT07 will be an A343, PR106 - 07FEB08 will be an A343. Philippine Airlines does not pre-assign bulkhead seats. You have to have your dad c
64 Leamside : Depending on which site or paper one reads MSN009 is also scheduled to be at SFO on Oct 4 & 5. The airport has lots and lots of Filipino employees.
65 Norcal773 : Any word on what date the whalejet is coming to town??
66 Post contains links Leamside : Norcal773, it is estimated to land in Manila at 2:45PM local time, Oct 11. Airbus' press release: http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...s/07_09_24_a3
67 Post contains links Leamside : Disputing the PAL commentary "Philippine Fly-Over" which was published by the Wall Street on Sept 25, Rolando Estabillo, PAL VP Corp Communications, h
68 Norcal773 : SWEET. Thanks for the info. I am gathering some friends from work to go check it out. I can guarantee you that I'll be there. Anybody else?
69 SKA380 : I just sent a msg off to lurvebus, and i'll go 99% sure... A few cold san mig's and whalehunting sounds like a good idea indeed.. Leif
70 DEVILFISH : From the Manila Standard link in Reply 66..... Quote: "The Airbus will dock at an exit gate of the Naia to check if it can use the terminal’s movabl
71 Post contains images LurveBus : You have? I didn't get anything... I think that they'll be testing compatibility with the gates at terminal 1. After all, Emirates will be the one fl
72 Norcal773 : Lemme know if you'll be going there then and I am in.
73 KL808 : 5J to open MNL-DRW route There are plans for 5J to open a route to Darwin come January, with code share on to BNE, MLE and SYD on Virgin Blue. There's
74 Post contains images Jasp25 : Sounds like a good rumor! A380 on a 5J livery.... haven't I seen a repaint of that somewhere???? -Jasp
75 Post contains links Leamside : The National Inquirer reports that NAIA is "ready for world’s largest airliner" & that larger aircraft such as the C-5 & Antonov AN-225 have landed
76 Post contains images DEVILFISH : Maraming salamat for that. But somehow, I find it also critical that it be validated at T3 since T1 would eventually be dedicated to domestic operati
77 KL808 : I think he wants to operate them from MNL not CEB. Drew
78 LurveBus : Well, it's not like anybody can use T3 for the next ten months anyway. Besides, we won't know what the situation is gonna be like when T3 opens. Whil
79 Post contains links Jasp25 : Hmmmm?? So perhaps some B787's or A350's??? source: http://business.inquirer.net/money/t.../view_article.php?article_id=93753 -Jasp
80 Post contains links and images DEVILFISH : Please excuse my saying so, but that is patently selfish. They already have their run of T2, and I wonder how instrumental their boss was in resolvin
81 Post contains links and images Leamside : Just to make sure no one misses it, there is a separate and exciting A380 @ MNL thread with images posted by Norcal: A380 In MNL (by Norcal773 Oct 11
82 Post contains images Terryb99 : I had to leave the 10th for ICN, took OZ from CRK. This was outside the SM Mall on Clark.
83 Post contains links Leamside : Interesting. But I think SM is just 'riding the tide' and certainly has nothing to do with bringing the A-380 to CRK. Another interesting note is the
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