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Air Portugal (TP) To Mumbai  
User currently offlineBOEING787 From India, joined May 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

According to sources at their Indian GSA - Global Aviation Services, Air Portugal plans nonstop daily or 4 x weekly service LIS-BOM from early 2008. Part of their new expansion plans to Asia. Any truth to these rumors? Can any A.Netters in Portugal confirm this?

If so, what are the types of pax they are targeting and what loads do they anticipate. The India-Europe market is heavily serviced by BA, 9W, LH, LX, AF, AY, AZ, OS, VS, AI, SU, to name a few.

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User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

There are several reasons a smaller carrier might choose a route like this, but my guess is most likely to
grab a part of the booming USA-India market in pax and cargo.


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2882 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

Real Interesting move indeed, i would think they could start to one of the secondary cities like HYD or AMD or even MAA which are yet underserved,

But maybe with AZ exit they are getting a desired slot,

How well do they cover South America, if they cover it well enough they might just be right starting connecting flights as trade between Indian and South American countries like Brazil is really booming.

karan


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2966 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 3416 times:

For some strange reason, despite the high number of Goan's in Mumbai, wouldn't a GOI flight make more sense?

However, I would love to travel to Portugal again, I went there as a child and a direct service is always a good excuse to travel.



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User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 hour ago) and read 3381 times:

Hi!

If that is true I'm really glad to see TP going in that direction! Our portuguese navigators arrived to India in late 1400's with Vasco da Gama. In 1961 TP flew for a while from LIS to GOA via BEY and DAM ( people would ask why that short flight??? well according to a veteran TP pilot they had to do that otherwise Syria would let TP planes pass over their space! TP operated with the L1049G Super Constellation and those flights were stopped when India wisely invaded Goa, Damão and Diu. So it's a "coming back" to TP and I'm sure there will be a good market for this route, we cannot forget that there is a good indian community in Portugal, there are also starting some strong commercial ties between both countries and of course with such strong network TP have now in Brazil and Latin America, I'm sure that can improve traffic from India and Latin America too.
Regards


User currently offlineBOEING787 From India, joined May 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months ago) and read 3330 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 2):
But maybe with AZ exit they are getting a desired slot,

What's this? AZ pulling out of Mumbai?


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2966 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months ago) and read 3299 times:

Quoting BOEING787 (Reply 5):
What's this? AZ pulling out of Mumbai?

And DEL - part of their planned revamp!



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3231 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 3):
For some strange reason, despite the high number of Goan's in Mumbai, wouldn't a GOI flight make more sense

There are quite a few Goans & East Indians [Mumbai natives] in BOM itself.A lot with a few ancestorsin Portugal/spain & Italy. wink 
Any Pic of their fleet.

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineWorldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

Quoting CV990 (Reply 4):
If that is true I'm really glad to see TP going in that direction! Our portuguese navigators arrived to India in late 1400's with Vasco da Gama. In 1961 TP flew for a while from LIS to GOA via BEY and DAM ( people would ask why that short flight??? well according to a veteran TP pilot they had to do that otherwise Syria would let TP planes pass over their space! TP operated with the L1049G Super Constellation and those flights were stopped when India wisely invaded Goa, Damão and Diu. So it's a "coming back"

oh come on!!! you portuguese are still so proud of your colonial past,, is there anything else you could be proud of than these 600 years old patriotic "virus". please, let's think present and dream the future..

anyway, as a portuguese born, i'm happy TP is back to "mother" India, aswell.

cheers

p.s. sorry to be a bit harsh


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

Iberia too are planning flying to Delhi in 2009.

User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

Quoting Worldrider (Reply 8):
oh come on!!! you portuguese are still so proud of your colonial past,

I ask my self what does this have to do with the thread? As CV990 very well pointed out that, Portugal has long historical ties with India which have recently been reinforced with our Presidents visit to India.

Quoting Worldrider (Reply 8):
is there anything else you could be proud of than these 600 years old patriotic "virus". please, let's think present and dream the future..



Quoting Worldrider (Reply 8):
p.s. sorry to be a bit harsh

You have opted to hijack a thread and while doing so have made a complete fool of yourself.

PS: Next time be mature enough to spell Portuguese with a capital.

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8162 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3093 times:

Quoting BOEING787 (Thread starter):
According to sources at their Indian GSA - Global Aviation Services, Air Portugal plans nonstop daily or 4 x weekly service LIS-BOM from early 2008.

I'll believe it when I see it. Are you sure we're not talking about a code-share? Portugal does have some good economic ties with India but I don't think it's enough to make even a 4 weekly flight work. Who knows, maybe they do which would be fantastic. I think China/Japan would be a much better Asian destination to link to their extensive Brazilian network. I don't think the traffic between Brazil and Indian is nearly as large as to China and Japan. Also, TP only serves EWR in N.America so I don't see this route as being an attempt to capture some of the traffic between the US and India. Besides there are lots of options, and soon there will be lots of non-stop options between the US and India. Again, US(East Coast)-China would be a better market to get into. We shall see. Regardless, if this rumor is true which I don't think it is, it would be a very bold move from TP, and at this point I'll applaude any effort by TP to search for new markets other than Brazil.


User currently onlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2147 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

GRU-BOM is probably what they are going after. I think SAA makes pots of money on this route.

User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

Quoting Worldrider (Reply 8):
oh come on!!! you portuguese are still so proud of your colonial past,, is there anything else you could be proud of than these 600 years old patriotic "virus". please, let's think present and dream the future..

anyway, as a portuguese born, i'm happy TP is back to "mother" India, aswell.

cheers

p.s. sorry to be a bit harsh

Hi Worldrider!

Even thinking present and dreaming future you cannot forget the past!!! I know that portuguese did bad things in their colonial times but I think you misunderstood my words....you picked on the sentence - "Our portuguese navigators arrived in late 1400's to India with Vasco da Gama..." - and you forgot that I was also mentioning the fact that TP flew to India in 1961! And also if you interpreted well my contribution I also said - "...when India wisely invaded Goa, Damão and Diu...", you can see in my words that the word - wisely - was in the right context I wanted...India did very well to invade something that was theirs and that because Salazar was stubborn, India wanted to take these portuguese territory in a loyal way! Regarding your last sentence...well I'm not taken it...seriously I'm not taken it! Now maybe you should also evaluate Switzerland past and what you ( swiss lords...) did to the menonites, burning them and drowning them in the lakes!!! I don't forget my past and I really regret about what we did...but I also know what other countries did!
Regards

P.S - Sorry to remind you about the menonites!!!


User currently offlineSwissA330 From Switzerland, joined Mar 2002, 613 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2879 times:

cool down you guys  Wink


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User currently offlineWorldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Quoting CV990 (Reply 13):

sorry to hurt you bro.. don't take it personnal.i remind you, i have "P"ortuguese passport and still feel more "Portuguese" than Swiss, i was born and lived there a while,,,it's just tiring to see compatriots still digesting that long past. I got a bit to quickly irritated with your first sentence, and didn't see the value your post.

Quoting CV990 (Reply 13):
Even thinking present and dreaming future you cannot forget the past!!! I know that portuguese did bad things in their colonial times but I think you misunderstood my words....you picked on the sentence - "Our portuguese navigators arrived in late 1400's to India with Vasco da Gama..." - and you forgot that I was also mentioning the fact that TP flew to India in 1961! And also if you interpreted well my contribution I also said - "...when India wisely invaded Goa, Damão and Diu...", you can see in my words that the word - wisely - was in the right context I wanted...India did very well to invade something that was theirs and that because Salazar was stubborn, India wanted to take these portuguese territory in a loyal way! Regarding your last sentence...well I'm not taken it...seriously I'm not taken it! Now maybe you should also evaluate Switzerland past and what you ( swiss lords...) did to the menonites, burning them and drowning them in the lakes!!! I don't forget my past and I really regret about what we did...but I also know what other countries did!
Regards

i apreciate! finally a compat that regrets what "we" did! i do aswell. there aren't that many of those.

All my respect


User currently offlineWorldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

again nice to see TP back Asia!

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2783 times:

Quit talking about History & lets hear about Aviation between the two countries.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

Hi Worldrider!

I understand your point...but seriously I was not trying to "bring back" the old portuguese colonial times...just that a lot of portuguese visit India and want to see Goa, Damão and Diu...actually I have a possibility to travel to India next year and I do to, I would like to see not only India itself but pass by those places that have some portuguese influence. I work in Portugal in a social project backed by a swiss organization called Christliche Ost Mission from Bern, I have very good friends in Switzerland, my first trip outside Portugal was to GVA, the foreign airline that I flew most after TAP was Swissair and after Portugal the country that I visited most is indeed Switzerland...I think I'm only missing right now the Canton of Vallais...I love swiss fondue, racklette, kirsh, vermicelles....I use a Swatch and I have a Vitorinox in my car....do I love Switzerland and swiss people??? Yes I do!!!
regards


User currently offlineMahan From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

Quoting CV990 (Reply 13):
to India in 1961! And also if you interpreted well my contribution I also said - "...when India wisely invaded Goa, Damão and Diu...", you can see in my words that the word - wisely - was in the right context I wanted...India did very well to invade something that was theirs and that because Salazar was stubborn, India wanted to take these portuguese territory in a loyal way!

CV990 - It is very nice to hear someone from Portugal acknowledge that India had a right to invade Goa, Daman and Diu to claim what is rightfully ours. I believe in 1961, there was harsh criticism in the Western World that India had committed a blunder by ignoring Mahatma Gandhi's ideals. ( BTW, that is a whole different topic for some other forum altogether ).



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User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

Hi Mahan!

Thanks for your words...let me tell you true story related with that "invasion"...this was wrote by a veteran Captain from TAP, name Silva Soares...he was a TAP pilot that started almost from the beginning TAP. In 1972 TAP pilots were at Boeing headquarters at Seattle to receive instruction on the brand new 747 and they meat some crew members from Air India....they had classes together and soon they started to related each other so nicely that at the end they had meals in common. One of the Air India's pilots shared with the TAP pilots that during the "invasion" he was a fighter pilot for Indian Air Force and he said that when they bombed the Dabolin Airport they received strict instructions not to attack TAP airplanes...just to hit infrastructures. When both TAP and Air India left Seattle with their 747's they were indeed good friends...and like Captain Silva Soares said pilots don't normally deal with political issues!
Regards


User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

only a handful gates available at the BOM airport, is what i am assuming!!!

How did they manage to get a slot?? Did they take over AZ's slot??

I think BOM needs to expand before attracting many airlines, nonetheless, nice to see TP making an apperance there after 4 decades (if the rumour is true). Good luck  Smile



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11406 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2685 times:
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Quoting AF022 (Reply 12):
GRU-BOM is probably what they are going after. I think SAA makes pots of money on this route.

Not only GRU because they have an extensive network in Brazil and the large deals between Brazil and India are related with energy and oil. You can see a good advantage for the other markets where TP is the sole daily player (SSA, FOR, REC), where they have their huge operation (GIG) and also the capital (BSB) where they are the only player.

Felipe



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8162 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2511 times:

Quoting Worldrider (Reply 15):
it's just tiring to see compatriots still digesting that long past.

It's part of the country's history, some of it a proud history which resulted in great contributions to the World. 'nuff said, now back on topic. I suspect that if the BOM rumor is true, one of the determining factors is that it only requires 1 aircraft to operate the route, while any other valuable Asian destination would require 2 aircraft.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2966 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2334 times:

OK, given that TP has A332's and A343's - which type would be used for the service?

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
There are quite a few Goans & East Indians [Mumbai natives] in BOM itself.A lot with a few ancestorsin Portugal/spain & Italy. wink

Never said there weren't - my boss in Mumbai is a guy with the surname Carvalho. In school in Delhi I had three D'Souza's, one Suares as classmates and a Cardoso taught me. A service which connects these people with obvious Portuguese connections back to Portugal will be great. However, as has been mentioned, TP will also want a piece of the India-Brazil traffic. With EK starting out DXB-GRU soon with the 77L, TP will have to move fast!



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25 Post contains images BigTom : EK will clean up too with their new GRU route Cheers
26 CV990 : Hi! The only aspect I think TP have a good advantage is the fact that TP right now have dozens of flights to many airports in Brazil, and we cannot fo
27 Cricket : Pork Vindaloo and Chicken Xacuti man! Yeah!
28 Airbazar : A332 for sure. The A340 is needed for the African routes. True but EK entering GRU will be just one of many other airlines already linking Brazil wit
29 CV990 : Hi Cricket! [quote=Cricket,reply=27]Pork Vindaloo and Chicken Xacuti man! Yeah! Yes, those ones but also for example Sarapatel, Paparis, and the deser
30 Worldrider : that's Goan cuisine isn't it? haven't tried yet. what bout the Goan wine? talking about the Portuguese names, you can meet many of these old families
31 Nimish : I've actually met folks in Panjim (part of Goa) who could only speak Portuguese, and only very broken no English or Hindi. That was quite a surprise
32 CV990 : That is quite an interesting point, the only thing I'm affraid of is the fact that a flight from Portugal to India could not have enough traffic...bu
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