747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1165 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5362 times:
One has to wonder if the JFK-India market is starting to become saturated, despite the much increased demand to India. You have EWR-BRU-BOM on Jet, JFK-BOM on DL, EWR-DEL and soon EWR-BOM on CO, JFK-LHR-BOM on AI, EWR-CDG-BOM on AI, and now JFK-BRU-BOM on Jet, with 77W's I assume. That's alot of capacity, as all flights are either 777's or 747's. And of course you have connecting options on EK, EY, and some of the European carriers.
N77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5238 times:
Quoting 747fan (Reply 3): One has to wonder if the JFK-India market is starting to become saturated, despite the much increased demand to India. You have EWR-BRU-BOM on Jet, JFK-BOM on DL, EWR-DEL and soon EWR-BOM on CO, JFK-LHR-BOM on AI, EWR-CDG-BOM on AI, and now JFK-BRU-BOM on Jet, with 77W's I assume. That's alot of capacity, as all flights are either 777's or 747's. And of course you have connecting options on EK, EY, and some of the European carriers.
India is a nation wth over a billion people, with roughly 300-400 million of which could achieve middle class status with disposable income.
We've only hit the tip of the iceberg, and remember NYC/tristate area is likely the largest home to Indians in the USA.
Nimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3076 posts, RR: 9 Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5233 times:
Quoting Flying lsd (Reply 2): ok, but when the jfk flight 'll be bookable thru the web site!!
In the mean time have you tried booking this through a 3rd party website like Expedia or similar? Or through a regular travel agent? Are you particular about booking only the 9W website? Any particular reason?
Mk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1186 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5024 times:
Well since 9W want 16 flights per day at BRU (right??). What combos are possible??
I can come up with the following:
BOM-BRU-EWR (already operating)
DEL-BRU-JFK (soon commencing) (if they don't start LAX or SFO from PVG, this one should be to LAX, i don't see the need for 2 NY bound flights, 9W thinks so!!!!)
ATQ-BRU-YVR (concorde001 suggestion)
MAA-BRU-YYZ (already operating)
CCU-BRU-IAH
HYD-BRU-IAD
BLR-BRU-SFO/LAX (depending on the PVG situation)
AMD-BRU-ORD
If both LAX and SFO are going to be served via PVG, then DEL-BRU-JFK is fine and then the BLR-BRU should be considered for another N.American destination (MIA, DEN, BOS, YEG, YYC comes to my mind).
BLR will have 2 flights then, one to BRU and one to PVG, BOM or DEL could see the other flight via PVG.
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 15 Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4845 times:
I would think Jet Airways need to think about nonstops to India and not routing US bound and US ex passengers through BRU. DL, CO, AI, and AA all fly nonstop to India from the US (JFK, EWR, JFK, ORD) respectively. What is the point of the BRU hub?
From the US, there are no nonstops to anywhere other than BOM and DEL, and the current nonstops are from but two metropolitan areas. And where does the nonstop market go from here? There are probably 3-5 (if that) additional markets in North America that could support nonstop service. The only barrier to entry (and protection from competition) is the availability of ULH aircraft.
Granted, the existing nonstop markets are significant (and growing), but Jet has another idea.. connecting several major cities in India with several major cities in North America through BRU. Now it's possible to fly from MAA to EWR. Soon it will be possible to fly from DEL to YYZ.. and more are on the way. This is traffic that has traditionally gone to major European or Gulf carriers, but there is now the option of an Indian carrier that combines competitive fares, high standards, and an easy BRU connection.
Another likely benefit is in cargo. The shorter legs to and from BRU require less fuel, freeing up weight for available payload. Revenue contributions from the cargo deck can help keep fares relatively low.. or at least diversify the revenue the airline receives.
It'll be really interesting to see what the 'mature' BRU hub looks like, if a codeshare with SN is initiated, and what Jet does when they've exhausted markets from BRU that can support a B773 or A332.
Zillox From Belgium, joined Aug 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4560 times:
It would nice if BRU has an connection with LAX non-stop. Finally Belgium's premier airport gets long-haul flights that are worthy. Jet Airways.. I'am proud on it
N77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4246 times:
Quoting Zillox (Reply 14): It would nice if BRU has an connection with LAX non-stop. Finally Belgium's premier airport gets long-haul flights that are worthy. Jet Airways.. I'am proud on it
How do the BRU aviation fans feel about a carrier other than SN flying these important routes? Does the possibility exist, assuming 9W's plans for BRU indeed grow, that SN will never again have the oppotunity to return to large North American markets?
Jlk From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 184 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4241 times:
Quoting Kohflot (Reply 13): Another likely benefit is in cargo. The shorter legs to and from BRU require less fuel, freeing up weight for available payload. Revenue contributions from the cargo deck can help keep fares relatively low.. or at least diversify the revenue the airline receives.
One of the best analytical responses on this topic (not thread btw).
NYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5147 posts, RR: 49 Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4208 times:
Quoting N77014 (Reply 6): We've only hit the tip of the iceberg, and remember NYC/tristate area is likely the largest home to Indians in the USA.
It is. It make sense to have two gateways from the US to India. There are a lot of Indians living in NJ so flight to India from EWR make sense as it's very conveinent for those in NJ. Flights from JFK makes sense for those Indians living in Manhattan, Queens, LI and Westchester Co. (and Connecticut).
Nimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3076 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4027 times:
Quoting BlrBird (Reply 15): Are those concrete plans or just speculation?
I think they're reasonably concrete - the delay in starting BLR is only due to the unavailability of slots at the current airport, and 9W have announced (don't have the link handy) that they will start BLR-BRU-North America once the new BIAL airport comes online in April 2008.
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