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When Did Air NZ Start Flying LAX-FRA?  
User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3463 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

I dropped off my sister at LAX yesterday to catch a Virgin Atlantic flight to LHR. In the same terminal (Terminal 2), I saw two Air New Zealand flights boarding passengers.

One was Flight #2 with service to LHR. The other was flight #18 to Frankfurt. When did Air New Zealand start flying LAX-FRA? I had never even heard of this service! It seems as if Air New Zealand is trying an interesting approach to supplying transatlantic flights for Americans, first with LAX-LHR, and now with LAX-FRA. Maybe LAX-CDG will be next??? (the flights operate with 747-400s).

I wonder how fellow star alliance member Lufthansa feels about the Frankfurt service???

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User currently offlineJaseWGTN From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

Um, Air NZ has been operating to FRA for many many years, but are pulling out in the next few months and operating a daily codeshare with Lufthansa.



User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

Too bad they never marketed the service (that I've seen, at least). Maybe they wouldn't have had to drop it.

User currently offlineJaseWGTN From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2845 times:

I don't think the market they were after was the US to be honest. They only flew it 2 times a week and it was almost full everytime.

It was mainly marketing I think for German tourists coming to NZ and the South Pacific.

South bound the flight connected with LAX PPT and LAX HNL and LAX RAR. I "think" they were the markets NZ was after


User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1520 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2820 times:

Air NZ launched the FRA service way back in 1987 with a weekly service, increasing to three sometime in the mid 90s(2 via LAX, one via operating AKL-LAX-FRA-LHR-LAX-AKL), and then back to two(both via LAX, and recently Fiji was added as a stopover as well) sometime shortly afterwards. These flights were marketed for German travellers, not at the US market. They will actually be ending this service shortly in favour of a code share with fellow Star Partner, Lufthansa, which will offer a daiy service via LAX. They do still have a dailyl codeshare via SIN as well. Air NZ have stated that in the long term, 2 weekly filghts to Europe do not make sense and they are better off with this codeshare arrangement.

User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2814 times:

AirNZ operated this flight twice weekly, Thursday and Friday.

They were operated by the 744 and the flight was 95% of the time full. They marketed in NZ and Germany. Those were the Passengers they were trying to attract and they did very well in doing so.

The flight came in at the same time as other AirNZ flights which were later going on to RAR, PPT, APW and HNL.

The route was AKL-NAN-LAX-FRA. And on the Thursday flight returning it would go:
FRA-LAX-NAN-AKL.
And the Friday flight would go:
FRA-LAX-AKL

They are dropping this service in order to codeshare with Luthansa. They will be Codesharing with Luthansa back to AKL on their aircrafts.

The thing i donot understand is why they will give up such a profitable route like this one. It has been rumored At AirNZ that they will be starting up new routes to three asian destinations from AKL.
BKK, SEL and another.

I hope they start SEL back up.

Cheers
mikey


User currently offlineGardermoen From Australia, joined Jul 1999, 1520 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

Yes, Air NZ(along with Ansett and QF) are looking at Seoul again, once the new Inchon Airport is up and runing sometime this year. My guess is that NZ will fly there and codeshare with AN, probably routing via SYD/BNE.

User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Hello,

Any chance to see them at CDG? or do they serve this market through Star Alliance code-sharing already?

Thank you,

Best regards,
Alain Mengus


User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2542 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

AirNZ have no reason to look at Europe. They are consentrating on the South Pacific and Asia at the moment. Ansett will fly to Europe in the near future for AirNZ.

I think that AirNZ will fly back to SEL using there own aircraft operating out of AKL and Ansett will operate out of BNE/SYD. Most likely Sydney.

The thing is AirNZ is becoming a very greedy airline now and they want money. Thus creating two main hubs for each airline,
AKL/LHR/LAX is operated by AirNZ and SYD/MEL/BNE/PER are operated by Ansett.

This will give AirNZ a big advantage over Qantas as they are operating out of two major tourist destinations.

My guess is in the near future Ansett will operate all flights to Europe, USA, Asia and South America out of Australia and AirNZ operate out of Auckland to Europe, Asia, USA, South Pacific and Australia.

Cheers
mikey


User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2773 times:

Hello Mikey,

Any idea about what European destinations for Ansett please?

Thank you,

Best regards,
Alain Mengus


User currently offlineOZ777 From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 521 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

According to my information, in the short term Ansett are only going to the USA on an opposite time frame to the ANZ flight to increase frequency and capacity to meet the QF level of services.

There is no indication in the short to medium term that Ansett will fly beyond the West Coast of the USA or past Singapore, HongKong or Seoul.

The chances of your seeing the ANZ Koru or the big A at European destinatons are VERY slim.

One interesting proposal I have heard proposed is South America/South Africa/Sydney possibly hubbing out of Singapore, but this depends on the new fleet mix.

That would be a very interesting route.

OZ777


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