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BA LGW-NCL Rumour  
User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

Travelling back from MCO to LGW on Saturday night I was talking to the crew and they mentioned that BA are definately starting up the LGW-NCL route again. They didnt mention when it was going to start but they were certain that it was happening.
Speakig to a mate of mine as well who works for Swissport at NCL, he says that he's heard BA are to stop the LHR-NCL service and BMI are to take the route over.

Has anyone else heard these rumours or can confirm them?

Lee


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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2627 times:

Quoting Sketty222 (Thread starter):
Speakig to a mate of mine as well who works for Swissport at NCL, he says that he's heard BA are to stop the LHR-NCL service and BMI are to take the route over.

Had heard the rumour of BA dropping NCL-LHR...although never heard of BMI taking it up.
Ah well, suppose you never know with "British" Airways.



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7439 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2615 times:
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Seeing that BA is "complaining" that they're not able to offer more regional services, why on earth would they want to deny oneworld all the potential transfer traffic from Northeast England/North Yorkshire and hand it on a plate to Star Alliance, who'd have LHR routes to NCL, LBA and MME?!

User currently offlineBAxMAN From St. Helena, joined May 2004, 671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

Quoting David_itl (Reply 2):
Seeing that BA is "complaining" that they're not able to offer more regional services

What is this 'complaining' you speak of????? Clearly BA has found it difficult to compete and maintain adequately profitable services from outside LHR but I'm not sure what 'complaining' BA has done.

Quoting David_itl (Reply 2):
why on earth would they want to deny oneworld all the potential transfer traffic from Northeast England/North Yorkshir

If connecting BA/Oneworld traffic is not sufficient to maintain a viable service, I don't see why you'd expect a rational company to maintain such services to the financial detriment of the company?

The NCL-LGW/LHR switcheroo has been rumoured for ages. I couldn't guess what will ultimately materialise, but I wouldn't be surprised at any scenario of either (a) the removal of all NCL-LON services (b) all LON services switched to LGW (c) reintroduction of LGW to operate alongside NCL-LHR. Hedging my bets on that one.

Judging from other rumours, I'd be surprised if BD wanted to add further domestic destinations to its network.



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7737 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2534 times:

Quoting BAxMAN (Reply 3):
What is this 'complaining' you speak of?????

BA management have frequently raised this as an issue in speeches and it has been raised in official Press Releases particulary when alluding to a possible third runway at LHR. So, for example, the BA Press Release of 4 December 2006 titled "British Airways support of Oxford Economic Forecasting study" includes the words:

"Failure to obtain a short third runway [at LHR] would be a defeat for the people of the UK regions . . ."


User currently offlineRivet42 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2489 times:

... I would be very surprised to see BA pull out of the LHR-NCL route, not least because these flights are used by back-office staff travelling between the BA offices in NCL and the headquarters at LHR. It would be pretty severe slap in the face for all the NCL staff if they were to be effectively cut off from the rest of the network, and from their corporate headquarters in particular!

I don't see how moving the flights to LGW would help to maintain that link, nor the apparent high volume of connecting business through LHR. Of course the latter may be an illusion, but it's my own observation...

Riv'



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User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

Quoting BAxMAN (Reply 3):
Judging from other rumours, I'd be surprised if BD wanted to add further domestic destinations to its network.

I very much doubt BMI are going to increase it's UK regional flights...

I would imagine most likely it's UK regional will probably shrink a little, as will Brussels and Amsterdam.. those slots going to it's new middle east routes and from 2009 on it's transatlantic.

At the end of the day.. from central london to central newcastle.. bmi is only just competing with the train.. but the train fare is much more competitive and offers a better schedule.

The UK Governments' signed the death warrant of "English" domestic flights with taxes to the point where airlines services/fees and taxes add up to more than the train fare !!!! Airlines only compete on long haul feed/convienence now.



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

Quoting BAxMAN (Reply 3):
If connecting BA/Oneworld traffic is not sufficient to maintain a viable service, I don't see why you'd expect a rational company to maintain such services to the financial detriment of the company?

I am wondering why BA services to the regions aren't much more shared with other airlines like BD. Some BD services have like 10 code share parteners and that increases the pax numbers on those flights transferring from other airlines. Moreover, BA flights have complimentary catering so it is more appealing to other full service carriers.

Pulling out of NCL would be worrying as BA would only have ABZ, EDI, GLA and MAN out of LHR. As for NCL-LGW restarting again, it comes as a surprise, just some months after it has been axed.



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User currently offlineAceFreighter From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

This is just galley rumours and has no fact.

BA has no intention of re-starting LGW-NCL and will not be stopping the LHR-NCL route.


User currently offlineBFS From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 743 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

I think this is pretty much Galley FM rumours, however as we are to be losing the 2x daily IAH and the 1 x daily DFW at LGW, we have been told that we will be given some more short haul rotations to fill the slots and NCL is one of the most repeated places mentioned, so maybe this rumour has some weight behind it. I cannot see them dropping LHR though - no way, no how.

User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 763 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 7):
as BA would only have ABZ, EDI, GLA and MAN out of LHR

Well maybe LHR/LGW are going to a dual hub currently used by EZE/AEQ JFK/LGA CDG/ORY where one of them is used (almost) exclusively for domestic traffic and the other for international.

If more and more domestic services are trasfered to LGW maybe it would be good to add some key longhaul destinations to be feed by these domestic network. I don't see NCL, JER.. etc people happy with transfering LGW <-> LHR to go longhaul on BA.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1984 times:

Quoting Aisak (Reply 10):
Well maybe LHR/LGW are going to a dual hub currently used by EZE/AEQ JFK/LGA CDG/ORY where one of them is used (almost) exclusively for domestic traffic and the other for international.

If more and more domestic services are trasfered to LGW maybe it would be good to add some key longhaul destinations to be feed by these domestic network. I don't see NCL, JER.. etc people happy with transfering LGW <-> LHR to go longhaul on BA.

BA would be stupid to go to a dual hub. A coach trip on the M25 - think most people would use KLM, AF or LH instead if that was the case



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User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2531 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 11):
BA would be stupid to go to a dual hub. A coach trip on the M25 - think most people would use KLM, AF or LH instead if that was the case

That's true. I did quite a few times to transfer between BA's services to Vienna and BA's flights to Tunis or Malta (GB airways). It liked the experience cause I am an aviation enthusiast but i would rather say that it is really unpleasant for business travellers. I know a lot of people that switched to AF when fyling from Tunis to Newcastle cause changing airports at LHR/LGW is quite tiring.



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User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1778 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Quoting Rivet42 (Reply 5):
I would be very surprised to see BA pull out of the LHR-NCL route, not least because these flights are used by back-office staff travelling between the BA offices in NCL and the headquarters at LHR.

Including me  Wink

Quoting AceFreighter (Reply 8):
This is just galley rumours and has no fact.

BA has no intention of re-starting LGW-NCL and will not be stopping the LHR-NCL route.

I hope they do start the NCL-LGW route again but if they were to canx the NCL-LHR I think it would be a big mistake.

I'll see if I can get some more info on this because as I mentioned in the thread title, this is just some rumours I have heard.



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8589 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1823 times:
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Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 6):
I very much doubt BMI are going to increase it's UK regional flights...

-Agreed

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 6):
would imagine most likely it's UK regional will probably shrink a little, as will Brussels and Amsterdam.. those slots going to it's new middle east routes and from 2009 on it's transatlantic.

- Agreed

Quoting AceFreighter (Reply 8):
This is just galley rumours and has no fact.

- Most likely

BA has no intention of re-starting LGW-NCL and will not be stopping the LHR-NCL route.

- I don't see NCL being dropped, always a busy route for customers AND staff.

M



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User currently offlineCandid76 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1802 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 4):
"Failure to obtain a short third runway [at LHR] would be a defeat for the people of the UK regions . . ."

Who are they trying to fool. They want a third runway for other reasons than introducing lots of domestic flights - the decision makers weren't born yesterday and won't fall for that. Development of regional airports is and always will be the best outcome for the UK regions - and can only be bad for BA.


User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1753 times:

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 15):
Quoting VV701 (Reply 4):
"Failure to obtain a short third runway [at LHR] would be a defeat for the people of the UK regions . . ."

Heathrows problem is it's becoming a Long Haul airport with European connections...
it's too expensive to fly 200-500 mile routes (unless your BA with connections)...
Eventually it will fall over as there's not that many long -haul to long haul connections...

but this is what brings the 400-500's of people in per time..

so having the 3rd runway will ensure the 200-500 mile radius market is catered for, whilst preserving the existing Long Haul routes.

actually i think a smaller 3rd runway and dedicated "eurohub" is a good idea.. as it will free the main terminals for long haul... good business strategy... strangely enough other world airports have been doing this for years !



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User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 763 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1753 times:

Quoting Candid76 (Reply 15):
They want a third runway for other reasons than introducing lots of domestic flights - the decision makers weren't born yesterday and won't fall for that

Then make the runway usable only for domestic flights. It's that simple. Once all domestic flights are move to that 3rd runway, if there are more slots to use (there will be for sure), give more slots for use on european hops up to the number of domestic flights. Maximum 1-to-1 and you will see plenty of domestic flights at LHR.

BA and BD will be able to move X domestic flights to that 3rd runway -> X slots freed at the current runways.
BA and BD will be allowed to move X EU flights to that 3rd runway -> X+X slots freed at the current runways

And if they want to free up slots by moving more short-haul to that 3rd runway, they'll have to start up new domestic routes/frequencies. Change that 1:1 ratio to any other and you'll have a pretty decent commitment to the regions


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