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Next U.S Airline To Serve MSY  
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

Just curious as to what you guys think will be the next U.S carrier start service to MSY?

XE made a pretty big splash last May when they inagurated 12 new nonstops from New Orleans....and those new flights, from what I am told, have been doing well for them. I have heard that MSY is one of XE's most profitable stations.

So, who's next?

Midwest?
Frontier?
Skybus?
Alaska?
Virgin America?
Spirit?

I could see five out of the six mentioned above flying here and doing very well. The only one i'm not so sure about is YX since they'd probably do MSY-MCI and well, XE has that market served well enough with two flights a day. I think the market is too thin to see a 2nd carrier at this time.

But F9 to DEN is a no brainer...SX to CMH could probably stimulate enough demand due to the low prices to be successful...AS to SEA is a route which would have probably already happened were it not for Katrina (indeed, I heard from a few people that AS wanted to fly to MSY)....VA to SFO is one which makes a lot of sense now since UA has seemingly abandoned service from the Bay area to New Orleans....and Spirit could throw in a couple of flights to FLL (possibly even a flight to SAP depending on what TA does) now that WN has a smaller presence in the market and be successful.

Overall, there are still several strong markets from MSY which are underserved and/or not served, and I hope to see an upcoming new service announcement from at least ONE of the airlines mentioned above. The airport is really offering excellent incentives now to lure new service, and I'm sure sooner or later another one will come to town, but you know, as is always the case, the suspense is killing me.  Wink

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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4645 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

Midwest
Virgin America
Spirit
Frontier
Alaska
Skybus

In that order....



Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

Even though I'd love to see Alaska enter the MSY market... I very highly doubt it'll happen any time soon. Maybe out of SEA in 5-10 years.

User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3302 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 2):
I very highly doubt it'll happen any time soon. Maybe out of SEA in 5-10 years.

I know....I thought the airport was pretty close to getting them before the storm, too.

In fact I don't think I've ever even seen an AS plane here but I think Tom said they brought in an MD-83 one time.


User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 3):
I know....I thought the airport was pretty close to getting them before the storm, too.

My best guess is that AS will be focussing on the Hawaii market for a while now. It seems like they're very very interested in it. It'd be nice if they expanded to more east coast cities out of PDX, though. But it doesn't sound like they have enough metal coming to do that, AND expand Hawaii.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

I would not be surprised to see Spirit with flights to Fort Lauderdale and Honduras, especially if TACA does not come back to New Orleans. I think that Spirit coming to New Orleans will depend largely on TACA. I could see them doing a late night FLL-MSY departure, a redeye MSY-SAP-MSY service, and a morning MSY-FLL flight.

As for Midwest, it is definitely true that the market for two carriers between New Orleans and Kansas City might not support two carriers, but it is also a very realistic possibility that Expressjet will not be doing their own branded ops 12-18 months from now, so I wouldn't rule out Midwest either.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3182 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 4):
It'd be nice if they expanded to more east coast cities out of PDX, though. But it doesn't sound like they have enough metal coming to do that, AND expand Hawaii.

I think they released a 10 year "growth plan" or something similar a few years back, and cities like MSY, PIT, ATL were on it. Hopefully they'll get some new metal over the next few years. It seems like they have more potential with more east coast flying than Hawaii, but that's just my opinion.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
but it is also a very realistic possibility that Expressjet will not be doing their own branded ops 12-18 months from now, so I wouldn't rule out Midwest either.

That's something I didn't consider. Perhaps YX will see it as an oppurtunity to return for the 3rd time. Maybe the 3rd time will be a charm?


User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3141 times:

How about Allegiant? They could serve a lot of cities in the leisure market to which there is no current service. While MSY isn't Vegas or Orlando it does has quite a bit of a draw as a leisure destination.

User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3098 times:

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 7):
How about Allegiant? They could serve a lot of cities in the leisure market to which there is no current service

I think the problem with Allegiant is that they serve too many smaller sized markets which do not really have any significant demand to New Orleans. And with WN running soon to be 2 daily nonstops between MSY and LAS, and 4 from MSY to MCO (along with DL in that market), I think Allegiant would have a tough time finding a niche.

That being said, the tourism industry in N.O is really coming back strong, so who knows...


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6086 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3076 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 3):

Alaska did multiple MSY-SAT flights around the time of Katrina. We sent a 734 there and it did 2-3 round trips/day for a few days.

Now with Alaska returning a/c as a passenger flight from Seattle, I don't think for a few years. AS a/c are at a premium right now and there are a few more higher yield markets I could see our planes first. But if SEA-MSY happens, I could see it started as a red-eye for a/c utilization.

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 3):
I think Tom said they brought in an MD-83 one time.

It was a Seattle Seahawks charter many years ago.

Quoting AS739X (Reply 9):
Alaska did multiple MSY-SAT flights around the time of Katrina. We sent a 734 there and it did 2-3 round trips/day for a few days.

You guys might want to think about sending that 734 back down here down .....depending on a probable tropical system forecast in the northeastern Gulf beginning tomorrow.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 3):

In fact I don't think I've ever even seen an AS plane here

Out of curiosity, where in the (geographical) South/Southeast do they serve other than Florida?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
As for Midwest, it is definitely true that the market for two carriers between New Orleans and Kansas City might not support two carriers,

Probably true. Though, IIRC, didn't Vanguard and Midwest Express fly here concurrently for a while?

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 8):
the tourism industry in N.O is really coming back strong

It is  Confused  Confused

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 7):
How about Allegiant? They could serve a lot of cities in the leisure market to which there is no current service. While MSY isn't Vegas or Orlando it does has quite a bit of a draw as a leisure destination.

So you're saying: use Allegiant to draw pax from smaller markets to NOLA? Or am I misreading this-- because there's not a chance they'd do well from here on the likes of MSY-LAS/MCO, as DL and WN have those destinations well-covered.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 11):
Out of curiosity, where in the (geographical) South/Southeast do they serve other than Florida?

I guess just MCO and MIA....DFW also but that's more Southwest.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 11):
It is

Yep, this Fall/Winter is supposed to be a huge success for the city. And i've heard great news from some friends/family working in the city.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 11):
Though, IIRC, didn't Vanguard and Midwest Express fly here concurrently for a while?

They did. Both offered 2x daily service for a while before YX cut back to one and eventually none.


User currently offlinePavlovsDog From Norway, joined Sep 2005, 657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2997 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 11):
So you're saying: use Allegiant to draw pax from smaller markets to NOLA?

That's what I'm saying. New Orleans is a significant tourist destination but is served from very few markets. One or two flights a week from 15-20 cities is what I'm talking about. It may not work for Allegiant but it would entail little risk now that have established themselves in origin markets. They have ambitious growth plans. Their planes have to go somewhere. New Orleans seems probable at some point.


User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 6):
I think they released a 10 year "growth plan" or something similar a few years back, and cities like MSY, PIT, ATL were on it. Hopefully they'll get some new metal over the next few years. It seems like they have more potential with more east coast flying than Hawaii, but that's just my opinion.

The "2010 plan" was a joke. It would have required Alsaka to at least quadrople in size over 10 years. There were tons of flights that would make plenty of a.nutters drool, but I don't think it was ever more than short term moral booster.



When in doubt, one B pump off
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 12):
Yep, this Fall/Winter is supposed to be a huge success for the city.

Based on what?

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 12):
And i've heard great news from some friends/family working in the city.

...such as?

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 14):
New Orleans is a significant tourist destination but is served from very few markets. One or two flights a week from 15-20 cities is what I'm talking about.

I could see something like that. Can think of up to 5 B-gates in the East terminal screamin' to have their name put on it!


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2971 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 16):
Based on what?

Based on a large number of conventions and corporate meetings scheduled here starting in October.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 16):
...such as?

Strong hotel occupancy and an overall increase in foot traffic in the tourist areas...the busiest it has been since K is what I am told.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2963 times:

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 17):
Based on a large number of conventions and corporate meetings scheduled here starting in October.

Not to be a killjoy, but isn't that really just small and more regional gatherings. From everything I've been able to determine, we've actually experienced a significant decrease in bookings for major (2,500+ in attendance) events, and even more so for those scheduled more than 12mo prior).


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 18):
From everything I've been able to determine, we've actually experienced a significant decrease in bookings for major (2,500+ in attendance) events, and even more so for those scheduled more than 12mo prior).

I heard a lady from the CVB speak recently (on a WWL interview) and she reiterated what I said. The CVB is very pleased with both the large conventions booked this fall (a couple of 25,000+ ones, as well) and the increase in corporate bookings which will keep the convention center busy. Like I said, this is the busiest the city has been from a visitor's standpoint in over two years. Good news, my friend!


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6086 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2911 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 11):

Alaska serves SEA-MIA/MCO/DFW and PDX-MCO (started last week)

** ATL/IAH/MSY always in the rumor mill

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 20):
ATL/IAH/MSY always in the rumor mill

...unlikely as it may be, would certainly be a hoot to get a carrier's service before Houston. Though, definitely see ATL as the winner here-- due to DL's cooperation with AS, further distance from DFW, and probable lack over overlap with the Florida markets.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6086 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2871 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 21):

Agreed. I think Atlanta is likely, New Orleans not likely soon, and Houston possible. Iv'e heard that Houston in not coming soon from the CEO, but other rumbles I hear are that maybe in '08. Time will tell...

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

Out of curiosity... USA3000 ops scheduled service as well right? What non-Florida South/Southeastern cities do they serve as such, if any?

User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6520 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 23):
Out of curiosity... USA3000 ops scheduled service as well right?

I know they go to FLL...saw them there two weeks ago. Also MCO and a few others.

BTW, SX just announced GPT. Obviously, they are not counting on local CMH-GPT traffic, which is virtually non existent. But do you think they'll actually get people to drive from MSY to GPT? With the headache of I-10 lately, it'l be a hard sell for most people.


25 ConcordeBoy : ...and considering the combined cost of that, plus having to schedule a completely independent connection (as, like you said, I sincerely doubt many p
26 MSYtristar : Fred...speaking of LCC's in our neck of the woods...have you heard anything in regards to how F9's doing in BTR? BTW...notice that D will be running 3
27 SANFan : Yeah but come on, do we actually count SX as an airline or a busline? Lordy knows, all those people bound for Columbus, from both NO and the Biloxi/Gu
28 MSYtristar : I'm not sure. I guess it's an airline in theory. Maybe I'll drive up to CHA to try them out one day.
29 ConcordeBoy : They're advertising there much more so than I ever saw them do at MSY. ...not quite sure it translates to brand identification though: when I ask any
30 MSYtristar : Yes indeed. At the very least DL still has about a dozen cans in MSY to remind us of the glory days. Interesting. If I had to bet money, I'd say the
31 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Um, yay ...they are?
32 MSYtristar : Well, F9's 6:00am out of MSY was generally pretty empty compared to the 3:00pm flight. From what I've experienced they are really hit or miss. Only t
33 ConcordeBoy : I LOVE pre-dawn flights, and just about every one I take (granted, it's on trunk routes a la MSY-IAH/ATL) is packed to the brim. That said, F9's MSY o
34 MSYtristar : One of the VP's paid a visit sometime in '05 and I asked him about the constant shuffle between 1 and 2 flights. He told me that the afternoon flight
35 ConcordeBoy : ...so what then was the point of adding the 2nd flight? Was the sole op insufficient to cover station costs-- but if that's the case, how then could i
36 MSYtristar : I have no idea. At one point the EMO left MSY at 9:30am as opposed to 6:00am. When asked why that time didn't work, his response was that the ground
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