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Lufthansa Cargo And DHL B777F Announcement  
User currently offlineDABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1200 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 15514 times:

Deutsche Post and Lufthansa will tomorrow make an announcement of the joint venture company based in LEJ with a purchase of 11 B777-200F aircrafts.

This news available in German on: www.ftd.de

Daughter companies (of Deutsche Post and Lufthansa) DHL and Lufthansa Cargo will own equal 50% share of the new company.

DHL is today using Lufthansa Cargo to destinations in the Near and Far East and in USA. This joint venture will be used to cover these routes and obviously several others. Lufthansa Cargo is following DHL Leipzig move and positioning some M1F's to there in October when DHL moves from CGN to LEJ. This will also see the end of Lufthansa Cargo M1F's operating to CGN.


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 15411 times:

Yeah, first D-reg. 777  Smile


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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 15411 times:

Finally, 777s with German regs. (I suppose they will get German regs.)

Nice boost for LEJ, shows that FRA is lacking capacity. I wonder which colour those planes will have.

Another German source:
http://www.aero.de/news.php?varnewsi...D=3483afde9f300f7cd92f996869549b21


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 15329 times:

That's really great news. Congrats Boeing!


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 15329 times:

So the marriage of LH and Boeing is still strong as it has been recently said by Scott Carlson.
I suppose this aircraft will get a D-registration. The company is based in Leipzig.
I just hope the new company will have a nice name and a good looking livery (at least better than DHL).
With that order goes anothe a.net myth that LH will only buy Airbus. Second Boeing order in a row  Wink



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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 15227 times:

I love being right, huh Columba? This is good news! Big grin


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14713 times:

Excellent news! Not only for LH and ER, but especially for LEJ. That airport has potential for becoming a very important international hub in the future.

User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2026 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14592 times:

As nobody knows by now, how this new airline will be named, is there any chance that we see a rebirth of "German Cargo"?

http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/show.php?id=266047

Axel

[Edited 2007-09-19 21:48:19]


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8741 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14519 times:

LEJ and FRA always have neen something like matching twins. Both have a large rail terminal, the fur industry moved from the vicinity of that rail terminal in Leipzig to the same location in FRA after the war, both areas have / had a rfed light district.

Now things move back to LEJ, starting with an integrators hub. Take a look at an aerial picture of LEJ and see how much room they have there. I bet the FRA hub will be in LEJ in 25 years.

If Hesse gets the wrong coalition in the upcoming state election, it'll be in 10 years or sooner.



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User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1661 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14399 times:

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 7):
As nobody knows by now, how this new airline will be named, is there any chance that we see a rebirth of "German Cargo"?

Oooo Yeah!!!
I'd love to see German Cargo back alive!!!

I fully understand that this is great news for LEJ, but to be honest, I would have preferred CGN or FRA as homebase.
The only factor in saying this is the trucking distance for our cargo ex AMS.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14265 times:

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 7):
As nobody knows by now, how this new airline will be named, is there any chance that we see a rebirth of "German Cargo"?

Why not, but please don't bring back that horrible orange colourscheme, that makes that 707 look like it's got painted with primer by Airbus.  Wink

Quoting DALCE (Reply 9):
I fully understand that this is great news for LEJ, but to be honest, I would have preferred CGN or FRA as homebase.
The only factor in saying this is the trucking distance for our cargo ex AMS.

But also look at it this way: this move will create new jobs, and new jobs are desperately needed in many of the Eastern states. I could well see even a migration of people from states like Sachsen-Anhalt or Brandenburg to Leipzig in order to try to get a job for this new company.


User currently offlineDALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1661 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14214 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 10):
But also look at it this way: this move will create new jobs, and new jobs are desperately needed in many of the Eastern states. I could well see even a migration of people from states like Sachsen-Anhalt or Brandenburg to Leipzig in order to try to get a job for this new company.

You are absolutely right here!
I recall hearing unemployment-rates in Brandenburg were around 25% last year, so for the Eastern States it's great news.
LEJ seems to be growing big time at the moment.
My first statement was purely based on my job-related point of view. Personally I think LEJ is also a geographic better place to be compared with for example CGN.



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User currently offlineEarlyNFF From Germany, joined Sep 2007, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14190 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 10):
don't bring back that horrible orange colourscheme

that was curry! (flying curry-wurst)


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2431 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14098 times:

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 7):
As nobody knows by now, how this new airline will be named,

I'll watch our internal website tomorrow and see if there is anything about the name. I fully expect some sort of story about the announcement and hopefully the name and maybe even the livery will be included. There's nothing posted so far, but that isn't surprising as I am sure they'll wait til it's public.


User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13294 times:

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 7):
German Cargo"?

I think that would be very cool. I just hope they stay away from anything resembling DHL's livery!



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13011 times:

Quoting EarlyNFF (Reply 12):
that was curry! (flying curry-wurst)

Interesting. I never thought of it as a fliegende Currywurst.  Silly

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 14):
I think that would be very cool. I just hope they stay away from anything resembling DHL's livery!

Which means the curry colour from the linked 707 picture would have to be ruled out then.  Wink


User currently offlineGregarious119 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 531 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12925 times:

Will we get to see the 777 in ILN?

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12744 times:

Quoting Gregarious119 (Reply 16):
Will we get to see the 777 in ILN?

Doubtful, since these North America destinations the joint company from LH and ER will serve are most likely major hubs. I sincerely doubt the T7 will serve ILN, unless ABX Air decides to codeshare with them on transatlantic flights to LEJ.


User currently offlineThebry From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12546 times:
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Are these new 777-F or have they already been included in the "Unidentified" category? Could these 11 be the combination of unidentified orders for the type placed on 28 Feb and 5 April? 6 and 5 orders, respectively?

User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12405 times:

Quoting Thebry (Reply 18):
Could these 11 be the combination of unidentified orders for the type placed on 28 Feb and 5 April? 6 and 5 orders, respectively?

I think it's a possibility. The rumors of a LH Cargo 777F order have been circulating for at least a year.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
Which means the curry colour from the linked 707 picture would have to be ruled out then.

Oh I hope you're right. The name is great, but that livery is just awful! The 777 is just too beautiful an aircraft to ruin that way.  airplane   crossfingers 



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2431 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11776 times:

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 14):
I just hope they stay away from anything resembling DHL's livery!

Just a guess here, but I think that blue and yellow will be in the mix. LH uses both and Deutsche Post uses yellow throughout its network (postal services, banking, all divisions of DHL).


User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 11333 times:

Congrats to Boeing for the order. Can't wait to see the livery, whatever it may be.


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8741 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10986 times:

Quoting DALCE (Reply 9):
Oooo Yeah!!!
I'd love to see German Cargo back alive!

German Cargo IS alive! It is called Lufthansa Cargo AG and uses the 020 designator which as allocated to Siegfried Koehler's German Cargo. When the new company was set up, the LH cargo documenation switched from the 220 to the 020 designator.

Quoting EarlyNFF (Reply 12):
that was curry! (flying curry-wurst)

The nick name was CURRY BOMBER, not curry wurst.



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User currently offlineA380Heavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10665 times:

Will we get to see these 777's at EMA - it'd be nice to see something other than a 737 or an A319!!!

Keeping fingers crossed!!!!



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User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2026 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10392 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 22):
German Cargo IS alive! It is called Lufthansa Cargo AG and uses the 020 designator which as allocated to Siegfried Koehler's German Cargo. When the new company was set up, the LH cargo documenation switched from the 220 to the 020 designator.

I know, but they can use the name (on which they still have all rights) for the new airline.

And about the livery: at that time it was a unique sight on the airports, to see such colours. I loved it.

Well, today it looks too much like a late 70th to early 80th style, but perhaps they could design something similar in a more modern way.


Axel

[Edited 2007-09-20 10:01:17]


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25 Post contains links and images DABZF : ... Lufthansa Cargo is also behind the Jade Cargo B744F's orders so that adds 6 more Boeings! they really were called "Curry Bombers" English info ab
26 Burkhard : What about GPS - German Parcel Service ? Or WIMP? Where is my parcel?
27 Post contains links EarlyNFF : The new cargo carrier will initially operate with eleven new Boeing 777-200LRF aircraft. The aircraft will be leased and are scheduled for delivery fr
28 PanHAM : GPS is taken. and a competitor. WTFIMP describes it better Most likely it will be some artificial name and it really does not matter anyhow, as they
29 Post contains images Hirnie : How about WTFIMFP ?
30 PanHAM : use the tracking system
31 EMA747 : My fingers are crossed too. Us EMA regulars need something new!
32 BDRules : A380Heavy and EMA747, yes they will be operating every weekday through EMA. unsure if they will operate LEJ - EMA - LEJ or LEJ - EMA - North America.
33 PKK : Fact Sheet about new airline from the press release of DPWN: New cargo carrier Corporate structure · 50/50 joint venture between DHL Express and Luft
34 PanHAM : that would be a downgrade. LH presently flies to ILN with M11s. I am not sure if they still use the Gemini planes for traffic right reasons. Remains
35 USAF336TFS : I agree, although I can't see them pulling a profit unless their business model includes selling off of any available capacity through the freight fo
36 PanHAM : They form a clean sheet company with low costs. Based in the East, they pay ossi wages, the flight crew will get less than the MD11 crews, They all ha
37 ER757 : Will have to wait for the carrier name and livery info. From our intranet site this morning: "The name of the new company and its branding will be dec
38 Columba : Will the aircraft be 777-230Fs ? With that order the LH group has had every Boeing in its fleet from 707 - 777.
39 USAF336TFS : Good stuff! I had some questions about that. Thanks!
40 Post contains links and images Columba : Might be an option LH still holds the rights for the name I guess. They brought back old names back before. LH bought the name "German Wings" as the
41 Post contains images JMO-777 : So, probably we are now knowing where GECAS will lease their ordered 777-Freighters to. Nice, decision by LH and Post to set-up a new cargo airline wi
42 Post contains images PanHAM : They most eertainly hold the name rights for German Cargo, German Wings and Suedflug. I think they passed on byuing Interflug, glad about that. Germa
43 NASCARAirforce : I am hoping to see them painted in DHL colors - Big ol 777 Flying Bananas!!!!
44 USAF336TFS : Looks like it Columba, if they use Boeing's current customer codes.
45 PanHAM : With some more information on hand - this is an amazing coup LH has pulled off here. They lease 11 brand new and fuel efficient T7Fs , form a new clea
46 Caminito : Any idea who will be the lessor?[Edited 2007-09-21 16:39:24]
47 Flying-Tiger : Highly unlikely. It has been clearly stated that this is a leasing deal, and I doubt that the lessor wants to have a B777-200LRF as a -230F. To make
48 Thorben : So? Which one are they going to carry, then?
49 Post contains images USAF336TFS : That's probably true, on second thought. Perhaps the new company will get a new Boeing customer code. Huh? There are three negatives in the quote. Ar
50 PanHAM : Why should this planes not go on the D register? Germany is a state of the law, the lessor is protected against all evil doings and both LH and DHL ar
51 Columba : It could also very well be a sell and lease back deal.
52 Caminito : Taxation, Union rules? Not probable, as this would mean purchasing the planes from Boeing in first place and then to sell them to a lessor in order t
53 Post contains images PADSpot : . Typical mistake that occurs when someone writes English, but thinks German. --> "it is likely that" ... double negation is an emphasized affirmatio
54 Post contains images USAF336TFS : According to sources within the company, this is absolutely the case, and... Again, this seems to be the strategy. The general feeling I get is that
55 USAF336TFS : A Questions and Answers statement to LH Cargo employees about "NewCo": Fair Use: " Lufthansa Cargo Questions & Answers on NewCo September 20th 2007 1)
56 A390 : Could this mean LH cargo would replace their MD11F with B777F in the future? Or are they using the new company to asess the performance of the B777F a
57 NoUFO : True, maybe they were more thinking along the lines of the new firm acting as captive finance company for both LH and ER. The finance company in, say
58 Columba : That depends on their business plan. It can very well be that they decide that they will transport more oversized cargo again and need the nose door
59 PanHAM : Outright ownership of assets does not mean that your profits are higher. Even if the financing is partly from cash flow, you have to generate that ca
60 Post contains images USAF336TFS : Judging from the Q&A and some of the enlightened comments above, I'd say we're all pretty much in the ballpark as to the reasoning behind this deal. B
61 Avianca : Well after the first look the concept may be very nice... after the second I am not so sure anymore. Well with this step LCAG will loose heavily marke
62 PanHAM : Clear NO to that. The average German freight forwarder does not like LH too much anyhow, and that is an ongoing love/hate relation since decades. Wor
63 Avianca : yes you can not avoid LH totally but you can avoid them in certain way.... as you mentioned Schenker, Panalpina and I will add Kuehne+Nagel operates
64 PanHAM : I have a more relaxed view of things. Possible that some customers of LCAG my enjoy even better rates on LH in gthe future, howebver, LCAG is out to
65 Avianca : correct and this is why I said above, that the competition forwarders of DHL Global Forwarding will prefere in future in first place other airlines.
66 PanHAM : I understand your point, but I have seen that all before. Many freight forwwarders avoid LH when they can, but Danzas alone cannot fill all these cav
67 DABZF : No and no... You have to remember that DHL Global Forwarding (DGF) is a separate daughter company within DHL group and separate from DHL Express whic
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