ENU From Netherlands, joined Nov 2006, 1120 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 34701 times:
The Sukhoi Superjet 100 roll out will take place next week Tuesday (26th of September)
Some info on this new Russian regional jet:
The three variants were originally called the RRJ-60, RRJ-75 and RRJ-95, with the numbers designating the average passenger capacity of each type. However, with the renaming of the project to "Superjet 100", the RRJ-75 was relabelled the "Superjet 100-75" (or SSJ 100-75 for short), while the RRJ-95 became known as the "SSJ 100-95". The smallest variant was dropped completely and efforts are currently concentrating on the largest variant, with the smaller SSJ 100-75 to follow later on. A longer SSJ 100-110 is also projected, but would be limited to a maximum capacity of 110 passengers due to Sukhoi's agreement with Boeing, as any larger aeroplane would compete with the US company's own product lineup.
So far, 73 aircraft have been ordered with Aeroflot (45), Transaero (10) and ItAli Airlines (10) among the customers. However, some more orders will be announced soon and they aim to have 300 orders by 2010.
The first Superjet 100 will be delivered late next year.
Xtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 899 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 34593 times:
Put winglets on it and it may sort of look like an ERJ. I know this isn't exactly a new concept design for RJ's, but I'm glad to see it beoming more popular, at least as a mx standpoint as well as pax comfort. Before EMBRAER finally rolled out the EMB170, didn't Dornier have one similar aircraft actually performing flight tests before that company went under?
Canadair also has a concept similar to this, but I haven't heard or seen anything new about that. I wish Sukhoi well on this, and even though I doubt it would happen, it would be cool to see Russian aircraft flying around the States and not just parked at IAD. Seeing as how Boeing and any other US company isn't jumping on the regional jet market, it's nice to see something different in the skies.
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LTU932 From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 12843 posts, RR: 57 Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 34518 times:
Quoting Xtoler (Reply 1): didn't Dornier have one similar aircraft actually performing flight tests before that company went under?
I believe the aircraft, the Fairchild-Dornier 728, was rolled out, but never flew. The company went bust before the 728 could even make its first flight.
Not directly related to the rollout ceremony, but does anyone know if (or can we at least assume that) part of the flighttesting regime will be carried out in HEL? I recall that Russian OEMs seem to use HEL whenever they can for flighttesting.
[Edited 2007-09-20 01:35:54]
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ENU From Netherlands, joined Nov 2006, 1120 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 34479 times:
Quoting ENU (Thread starter): The Sukhoi Superjet 100 roll out will take place next week Tuesday (26th of September)
Oops, that should be Wednesday...
Some recent information on the project:
Quote: Sukhoi Civil Aircraft, a subsidiary of the state-owned Sukhoi holding, said Monday it would build the first nine SuperJet-100 regional aircraft in 2008.
The SuperJet-100 project is a family of medium-range passenger aircraft developed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau in cooperation with major American and European aviation corporations, including Boeing, Snecma, Thales, Messier Dowty, Liebherr Aerospace, and Honeywell.
"We are planning to build nine aircraft in 2008, 30 planes in 2009, 60 planes in 2010, and starting in 2011 to roll out 70 jets annually," said Sergei Shkryabun, the company's regional director.
Sukhoi plans to produce at least 700 RRJs, and intends to sell 35% of them in North America, 25% in Europe, 10% in Latin America, and 7% in Russia and China.
The overall market for the SuperJet-100 is estimated at about 5,500 aircraft, or $100 billion, through 2023.
So far, Sukhoi Civil Aircraft has secured over 60 orders for its regional aircraft. Aeroflot, Russia's national air carrier, is one of the largest clients, with contracts for the delivery of at least 45 planes.
In a recent Le Bourget deal, Sukhoi signed a $283-million contract to supply 10 Superjet-100 aircraft to Italian carrier ItAli Airlines.
Italy's Finmeccanica and Alenia-Aeronautica have signed an agreement with Sukhoi holding to jointly acquire a blocking stake (25% plus one share) in Sukhoi. The deal is subject to approval by the Russian and Italian governments.
Under the agreement, the Italian companies will provide at least 25% of the investment for the Superjet-100 project.
Sukhoi said in June it was planning to conduct an initial public offering (IPO) of its shares after 2010.
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 2): I can't wait to see this thing. I was wondering though, why doesn't it have winglets?
Winglets only really help fuel burn in cruise, since the SSJ100 is only a small RJ and only going small distances the extra weight of the winglet causes more fuel burn than it would save.
Its awesome that the Russian commercial aerospace industry is turning picking up again.
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PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 8195 posts, RR: 66 Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 34381 times:
Quoting ENU (Reply 6): Sukhoi plans to produce at least 700 RRJs, and intends to sell 35% of them in North America, 25% in Europe, 10% in Latin America, and 7% in Russia and China.
That's pretty interesting, I'm surprised they only aim to sell such a small percentage of their product in the home country. Certainly the figures for North America are ambitious, but I can see some reasonable orders materialising for the aircraft in Europe.
LTU932 From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 12843 posts, RR: 57 Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 34354 times:
Quoting NZA320 (Reply 7): Winglets only really help fuel burn in cruise, since the SSJ100 is only a small RJ and only going small distances the extra weight of the winglet causes more fuel burn than it would save.
If they were to build a longer range version of the SSJ, then it could be likely that winglets would appear. Embraer has put winglets on the Legacy Businessjet (which is based on the ERJ-135) and on the ERJ-145XRs.
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I don't believe Transaero is currently amongst SSJ customers at all.
I culled that list from Wiki, it's not reliable as usual. Please exude me.
There are 73 firm orders so far, but I'm not sure about the breakdown. I thought Aeroflot converted its options recently and I'm quite sure that Transaero's order was announced. Corrections are welcome!
KaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 11144 posts, RR: 42 Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 33210 times:
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Quoting Metroliner (Reply 16): by the way, is that snow on the ground already in russia? where is that? it's only september! Wow!
I think this answers that
Quoting ENU (Reply 11): The first fuselage was pictured almost eight months ago:
By the way, is that an N-number on the tail???
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PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 8195 posts, RR: 66 Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 33173 times:
Quoting Metroliner (Reply 16): by the way, is that snow on the ground already in russia? where is that? it's only september!
I live on the edge of Dartmoor and we've already had a couple of light frosts, family in mid Wales had quite a heavy one at the end of last week. It's going to be a tough winter here in the UK as well I think.
Aerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4460 posts, RR: 54 Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 33149 times:
Finally, something to offset the mind-numbingly bland Boeing and Airbus rollouts!
Are you having trouble stopping the use of Crystal Meth?
Now that I see real pictures of the airframe, I have to agree with you. But I still think the EMB145 looks a lot better than a CRJ200 as far as 50 seaters go, just too bad they don't have the performance of the CRJ.
Brazilian women are hot, though.
NZA320, thanks for the pix/artists rendition and info on both Dornier and the new CRJ.
Larry
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25 ENU: Here you go: Flightglobal.com had a special about the Superjet sometime ago. For those interested: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...11988/sukho
26 N710PS: It looks to be aq rip off on the E series to me.
27 Thorben: A very nice plane. 5-abreast was surely missing after the end of the DC-9 and its successors. Too bad it looks a lot like the E-Jets and the A320. But
28 N710PS: Intresting that you point the gear out actually. It looks like they might want to try to use it from unimproved strips?
29 ClassicLover: I'm quite excited about this aircraft... I really hope it becomes a success and Russia finally gets strongly into the global aviation market. They hav
30 Thorben: Maybe it has two variants, one with 2x2 and one with 2x4. The bad runways may be the reason for the 2x4 version. Actually, Airbus did that with A320s
31 CM767: The Layout is 5 across, so wider fuselage than the E jets, I wonder if they would match the numbers of the E jet, me thinks that the E jet would be be
32 FlyASAGuy2005: I honestly don't see significant U.S. orders...if any. This has been brought up in another thread but i'm suprised nobody buzzed . Don't you guys watc
33 FriendlySkies: I think this aircraft might see more sales if it used a western engine. I have no doubts that the Russian engine is technologically competitive, but I
34 EYKD: Money are much stronger than politics, that's what I always say. Bad blood never stopped Boeing from having huge engineering center in Moscow, joint
35 OD720: Armavia have been on the market for smaller jets/planes for some time. They were expected to buy the CRJ 200 but went for the SuperJet. From few Arme
36 R2rho: I can't wait! Currently Embraer has no competitor in this seat segment, so the SSJ will surely make things very interesting! With the ARJ21 and the CS
37 R2rho: Is this true? Because with 5-abreast, you could easily stretch to 130 seats, and possibly even more. And given its under-wing engine configuration, i
38 Malaysia: I love the wide look and the 4 tires on each main gear this looks much better than the ERJ
39 Malaysia: Made me wonder about some old post back then where G4 wanted A318 to replace its MDs, maybe G4 could use this jet as a replacement.
40 RussianJet: Enough of that already. Yes, it has two wing-mounted engines, and *gasp* a fuselage. There is a reason for that, and it has nothing to do with 'copyi
41 A300: Any news or rumour that the Iranian airline componies are interedted in the SSJ?
42 ENU: Two days to go (in my time zone)! I'm not sure about the exact role of Boeing the project, I thought it was advisory. But even if the SSJ could eas
44 SBBRTech: Yeah, that in fact would be more like a russian jet that this old-news design. Just kidding [Edited 2007-09-24 22:37:25]
45 Airbuseric: In another discussion on this board it's mentioned that SK is currently close to finalizing an order for the SSJ, as replacement for their ill-fating
46 ENU: From the FG-special: Pogosyan believes the SSJ will be in demand internationally as its design is "superior to the existing offerings in the market"
47 ENU: Less than 24h to go! Does anyone know the exact time of the ceremony?
48 F9Animal: " target=_blank>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...t.JPG Interesting. What do you think might have been if Dornier did not go bankrupt? The 728JET
49 EYKD: It is scheduled for noon local time, which is GMT +11 hours. The time is not very convenient for Europe, including Moscow. I don't know any details, e
50 EYKD: Sukhoi tends to have single bogey. Probably, double bogey will be offered as an option, so it will be a customer's selection to have single or double
51 JoKeR: Beautiful machine - it should do well.... BTW, am I the only one who thinks that the SSJ100 looks very similar to the Dassault Mercure?
52 EYKD: Tonight SSJ roll-out livery leaked out and was published at one of the Russian aviation discussion boards. Here's the link http://balancer.ru/forum/pu
54 ENU: " target=_blank>http://balancer.ru/forum/punbb/attac...69885 Doesn't show anything... Thanks for the other information! View Large View MediumPhoto &c
55 EYKD: Hmmm... That's strange, it works for me perfectly. Well, here it is:
56 ENU: Thanks a lot! It looks great. Only the tail appears to be relatively small on this drawing.
57 RussianJet: What does that mean?? Please enlighten me as to which airliners Sukhoi has 'ripped off' in the past.
58 Thorben: Yea, that would rule, because it would really be something new and different. I don't think it s a copy. But all new aircraft look the same: E-Jets,
59 EYKD: Ahhh... it's all natural selection. Modern aggressive business environment makes manufacturers and airlines stick to boring but proven schemes.
61 Mrocktor: The size of this community as opposed to, say, "paint drying .net" would tend to indicate otherwise.
62 Petertenthije: In your drawing there is a single bogey. Is that a mistake or will it have one bogey only?
63 EYKD: It's not my drawing, it's just a drawing that I have uploaded to A.net. As for the matter of your question, please see my reply #50 in this thread.[E
64 FriendlySkies: It's not boring if you appreciate the technology inside the aircraft, instead of just what it looks like.
65 RussianJet: Granted, I get sick of seeing twinjets all the time too, but unfortunately it's the most efficient configuration around at the moment.
66 Thorben: I don't see too much of the technology when they fly over me. Hey, a soulmate
67 Xtoler: I forgot about the Dassault Mercure, France's answer to the 737. It may look similar but still a different aircraft with a different role. The airfram
68 Vaalaa: first raw pics from TV http://aviaforum.ru/attachment.php?s...achmentid=28975&stc=1&d=1190779505 http://aviaforum.ru/attachment.php?s...achmentid=2897
69 Vaalaa: the video http://www.russiatoday.ru/news/news/14735/video
70 EYKD: The livery is perfect except for the nose. The nose looks absolutely tastelessly and spoils the whole impression. By the way, there's no registration
71 EYKD: Here are few pictures right from Komsomolsk-on-Amur. I'm not the author of these photos and not connected with the author. I'm just letting A.netters
72 Captaink: Nice looking bird. I am very impressed.
73 Dalavia: A very impressive looking plane - spoilt only by the attempt to paint a Russian flag on the nose.
74 ENU: Thanks very much guys! The Superjet looks elegant! Now we'll have to wait for the first flight later this year!
75 PHKLM: Sorry but why have a double bogey on this plane? The A321 and B739ER even have a single bogey, and they are a whole lot heavier.
76 ENU: For unimproved airstrips? The first version has a single bogey btw.
77 LTU932: Indeed. That stylised Russian flag should have gone somewhere else. Other than that, she looks beautiful. This is also a historic event for Russia, b
78 Ikramerica: Notice how like the E-Jet, there are no overwing exits, despite flight international's drawing. I am of the belief that no "all new" aircraft in the f
79 Beaucaire: speaking to the manager of the only western airline who bought 10 of the jets,(Italiairline ),he mentioned a very impresseive seatmile cost figure-so
80 Thorben: OK, no emergency exits no wingtips rather long and thin engines I guess I'll be able to recognize it when I see it in reality. Thanks for sharing the
81 LTU932: Click on this link for the official press release of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 rollout: http://www.sukhoi.superjet100.com/mediacenter/news/00061/ Their
82 DEVILFISH: Flight picked up the story..... http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-rolls-out-first-superjet-100.html
85 ENU: It's a pity they couldn't announce some orders today. Hopefully, some more SSJ's will be sold between now and the first flight.
86 KrisYYZ: Russian billionaire and general director of Krasnoyarsk-based Siberian airline KrasAir, Boris Abramovich, also attended the presentation of SuperJet-
87 RussianJet: That is one sleek, beautifully designed aircraft. This is a proud day for Russian aerospace. I hope we eventually see these beauties all over the plac
88 PavlovsDog: Congrats to Sukoi, their partners in the project and Russian Aviation! A couple questions about a rumoured stretch: -Is their a scope clause with Boei
89 ClassicLover: Absolutely lovely aircraft - love the scheme it's in as well. Very modern and "non-Soviet" looking (if you get what I mean, I know there's no Soviet U
90 EYKD: Spiegel magazine of Germany published [4] excellent pictures from the roll out ceremony. It's worth to see! http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/0,5538,2
91 SSTsomeday: I would suggest it's not beauty that will prove the viability and success of this bird, any more than the 380's rather odd look (to some) will contri
92 RussianJet: To some extent there was a desire to have airliners that looked different from those produced in the west, and the cirumstances and environments in w
93 Ikramerica: Once it proves itself, and the manufacturer proves it's supply chain is solid (especially for spares), you will see more orders. Even USA based carri
94 SSTsomeday: A very reasonable and informed post. Thank you. Considering your screen name, I commend you for your sense of proportion and apparent lack of bias. S
95 SSTsomeday: If she is competitive, and if all other things turn out to be equal. I wonder (predict) that there may psychological or nationalist resistance to west
96 RussianJet: Firstly, you're very welcome. Secondly, there's no point in pretending that Russian/Soviet airliners don't have their deficiencies, but for me they'r
97 Ikramerica: No, you shouldn't say that. It's crap. It's the airlines that choose the planes, not the public. The airlines will decide if it makes sense. Most peo
98 OD720: It is a realistic goal when you look at the lack of a successor to the very popular 80 seat Tu-134 in Russia and the rest of the CIS. There have been
99 SSTsomeday: I guess you give the public and media credit for being a lot more fair and open minded (or oblivious) than I do. I still think there is a stigma to g
100 Xtoler: Times have changed and there is a lot of sharing of different technologies available now to the Eastern countries which weren't available during the
101 Xtoler: I didn't want to be too political, but yes, our relations with the Russian government is not great at the moment (sorry, Russian guys). If aviation d
102 Ikramerica: No, you give them no credit, or more specifically, you give Americans no credit. What you forget is that "Americans" are from everywhere. In most of
103 EYKD: Sikorsky doesn't sound Russian, it is Russian! Sukhoi made right decision to change this bird's name from Russian Regional Jet to Sukhoi Super Jet. T
104 Phxplanes: Is it just me or is every new aircraft starting to look like Embraer, especially the nose. 787, crj c series, superjet.
105 Ikramerica: Well yeah, but it isn't a Russian company. That's the point. Sikorsky was an American, becoming a citizen in 1928, just like so many others who emigr
106 Alias1024: Good points. Going along with that, I don't think the name Sukhoi is going to register as a Russian name in people's minds like Antonov or Tupolev mi
107 Ikramerica: Yep. Sounds very Japanese to us Westerners. Kind of sounds like a breed of Japanese dog or something...
108 EYKD: A couple of more pics: Again, I'm not the author of these photos, they were brought from Komsomolsk by one of Sukhoi Civil Aircrafts Company employees
110 RicciPettit: In that picture above, anyone think it looks a bit "mercure-esqe"? Just me? Never mind then.
111 RussianJet: Only in the way the engines are mounted on the wing. I know what you mean, but overall the aircraft looks pretty different.
112 Mrocktor: Blame modern CFD. Since all planes fly in the same atmosphere, shapes that are efficient for one plane are likely to be efficient for another. With m
113 KochamLOT: How does this aircraft compare directly with the ejets efficiency wise and are there any orders for this plane outside the old USSR and third world? T
115 A300: Nice looking aircraft. Can't wait to see it with the Homa bird on its tail.
116 LaminarFlow: A beautiful bird, indeed. Sukhoi - Поздравляю вас!
117 Csturdiv: Is the rollout plane flyable, or was it rolled out like the B787? When are they going to start the test flight phase of it?
118 EYKD: Wow! What a great job on Russian language! Ñïàñèáî! Thank you!
119 ENU: It's a test frame, but I think this one will fly. Other frames are used for static tests. Six aircraft will be built for testing purposes. The first
120 ENU: It's a test frame, but I think this one will fly. Other frames are used for static tests. Six aircraft will be built for testing purposes. The first
121 ENU: It's a test frame, but I think this one will fly. Other frames are used for static tests. Six aircraft will be built for testing purposes. The first
122 EYKD: Yes, it is the first flying bird. It will take part in certification and will remain in company's property. There are supposed to be (3) more flying
123 Ikramerica: That should rear, like the 787, 777, 767, A380, A340, etc.
124 United787: What about the remaining 23%? Asia?
125 Alessandro: No, the Mercure had a different looking tail...
126 Ikramerica: That should read, not rear. Either way, few modern planes are rolled out in flying condition. The only one people seem to really be fixated on is the
127 QF772: Is it just me or does that livery make it hard to get a feel for the nose and cockpit windows, it's disctracting like that checker camofalge car manuf
129 KELPkid: Good one! Let's see if a.net adopts the name and then if the general public in the US adopts it
130 JCKastrup: What about the superjet as a freighter. Any perspectives or sale in that or is it strictly for passengers?
131 Ikramerica: Propjets tend to work better as freighters than small jets, at least from what I can tell. They are more efficient, and cargo doesn't care about nois
132 TSS: The SuperJet seems a little smallish for freighter duty, but I imagine it would be easier for Sukhoi to build them with one big door and no interior
133 ArtATL: Yeah... looks nice... but how is it with that Cobra maneuver that its brother does so well?
134 Burnsie28: By far the most pathetic looking engines ever.
135 TSS: Huh? Who gives a rat's patoot how the engines look? It's how they work that counts. Also, look at a first-generation 737: Those engines look like lit
136 SSTsomeday: I would opine that would likely change if an American company placed an order. I should probably state here that I am also American.
137 JoeCanuck: The two biggest influences to the success of this plane in the west will be the costs to airlines, (purchase, operating), and the reliability of the s
139 Whappeh: Gorgeous looking aircraft. Shame it'll probably never fly in the US.... maybe some ultra rich guy will buy one and use it has a private jet.
144 RussianJet: Rubbish. They look cool, and they will work brilliantly.
145 MEA-707: Surprisingly nice airplane now we see it in reality. But am I the only one to think the name Superjet is unbelievably tacky? It's like the discount su
146 RuudOnline: Well I dont like the looks of those engine either. But who cares, its always nice to see a new plane rolling out of the factory.
147 RussianJet: No, it's a good name. I think it sounds a lot less tacky than 'dreamliner' for example.
148 Mrocktor: Comparing to "Dreamliner" arguably sets the bar faily low. And in my opinion, Superjet fails to surpass even that low bar - by a large margin.
149 Ikramerica: No worse than Super80... I think it's fine. And it makes it sound even MORE Japanese. Please to buy my Sukhoi Superjet American Joe! And drink some P
150 RussianJet: Oh well, each to their own. I think the name is fine, especially as Sukhoi also begins with 's' resulting in an alliteration that makes the whole nam
151 SSTsomeday: I have been alluding to some of these potential concerns in my posts on this thread, as well as the stigma (IMHO) of an American airline placing a ci
152 Ikramerica: If that was what you actually asserted, then nobody would have argued with you. The reality is, you laid it on the flying public and the media, NOT o
153 SSTsomeday: It was my intention to suggest both, and I still stick by my doubts in both regards. For example, I would suggest that any perceived "stigma" (if the
154 Ikramerica: Impugning a nation in a "civil" way doesn't mean you are above reproach. Your comments were passive aggressive insulting, and now you are qualifying
155 JoeCanuck: They're just unlikely to buy Sukhoi. Way too much financial risk, not enough potential payback. I imagine it'll do ok with airlines already inclined
156 KochamLOT: according to sukhoi, the ac is 20% cheaper to purchase and is 15% more efficient than an embraer e-jet! the only drawback is a lack of maintenance sup
157 RussianJet: That's a lot of assuming you're doing there. Not enough potential payback? Based on what?
158 JoeCanuck: Based on how the russian government is dealing with western companies. The same way that they have repeatedly cut off gas supplies to the west when t
159 Hightower: I think it's a very cool looking plane. Very asthetically pleasing... congrats to Sukhoi - and thanks to the russian aviation enthusiats for bringing
160 SSTsomeday: With respect, your reality is your opinion. My opinion is not a threat to you, nor is it irrelevant on the basis of me disagreeing with you. And I li
161 Vfw614: Well, how about "Dreamliner" - what a bizarre name is that for an aeroplane? Or "Jumbo-Jet" - you mean like "elephant"? Or "Twin Otter" - next time o
162 Lowecur: Would you sink $28M into an airliner from a police state? Russian and Chinese officials will use their quasi-democratic capitalistic government model
163 EYKD: Flight magazine's poll: Which will fly first? Sukhoi Superjet 100 55% Boeing 787 45% Total Votes: 396 Poll ends on: 05 October 2007
164 Dalavia: Comments like this puzzle me and worry me. I read in other threads that airlines in the US make their decisions purely on sound business factors, wit
165 Lowecur: Give a Police State/Military Machine the money it needs, and the seduction to do stupid things is too great. Sound business decisions have to include
166 Hjulicher: I think that all of you worrying about Putin should think deeper into the matter... 1) Putin will not be President when many of these aircraft will be
167 EYKD: I found this amateur video from the rollout ceremony on the web. A thrilling moment! There are some more clips at http://photofile.ru/users/aviation10
168 PavlovsDog: Interesting that you ask. Many of the labels you place on Russia can just as easily be placed on the US. Here in Norway we're looking at purchasing a
169 Hightower: Good points PavlovsDog... Denmark is also going to select military AC soon, even though I would prefer to see Grippen or Eurofighter "win", I'm very s
170 Lowecur: I am not making a political statement, just stating the possibilities. Ask yourself if any of those other countries that are producing aircraft have
171 PavlovsDog: I can assure you that with Russia supplying a massive amount of gas to Europe there won't be any sanctions from this part of the world unless things g
172 EYKD: Good point! It is known that the best way to win over your enemy is to make him you friend.
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