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American Eagle From MIA To ALB-SYR-BUF-PVD?  
User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3062 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

Will AE ever serve ALB-SYR-BUF-PVD from MIA? They are in perfect range from there EMB-CRJ aircraft. They would have pretty good capicity. Half would be people going to Miami another half would be conncting travelers to Europe, South A, Latin Am., Mex., and Carrib. I think they are waiting till they get more fleet. Is that right?


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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4666 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

PVD has very strong caribean and latin american demographics for a market of its size, even comprable to some larger markets, though NK just walked away from thinking they could get them at BOS, only to get their @$$ handed to them....

Very large population of Dominicans and Guatemalans in the Rhode Island area, both of which could be very well served from MIA. Heck with NK gone, i think AA could even support PVD-MIA mainline, which is saying alot since we all know what AA thinks of PVD. But the demographics and numbers ARE there.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3595 times:

MIA-PVD could easily support a year-round 737-800 service. The connection oppurtunities are just a bonus. MIA-ALB/BUF/SYR, as well as MIA-ROC, are also large enough markets to support a daily American Airlines flight. Sans ALB, all have non-stops to FLL, and only ROC's is seasonal, the rest are year-round.

The problem is that AA does not have the proper equipment. These are not ideal ERJ routes, and even the CR7 is not best for these. AA needs a good-sized 100-seat aircraft to operate MIA-ALB/BUF/SYR/ROC. When that happens, I would not be surprised to see AA start.

Needless to say, without the aircraft, the route isn't going to happen. One of the MIA/AA route rumours that has gained steam lately is MIA-MDT. Even though Harrisburg is a smaller market to Miami than the New York markets, it is much more reasonably within the limits of the ERJ-140 (same distance as MIA-PIT, barely over 1,000 miles). Also, there is no LCC competition. I think if you see another Miami-Northeast route on AA soon, it will be Harrisburg.

Look at the success American Airlines has had with their non-stops from Miami to Fayetteville, Arkansas. I know that it was largely started thanks to Wal*Mart, but is they can fill a daily flight Fayetteville (and they fill it easily), they can do it to these markets too.

AA is not going to go farther than 1,100 miles on RJs from Miami (MIA-XNA, the longest route, is 1,099). It is important to note that flights to Miami are often loaded with luggage - cruise passengers and Caribbean/Latin connections, which puts tighter limits on how far one can reasonably fly an ERJ from Miami. Fayetteville is the limit.

Similarly, smaller markets close to Miami, within about 650 miles, are within reasonable range for AA's ATRs, so markets like Mobile and Gulfport are possible with their ATR fleet, and with plenty of free ATRs, those might happen sooner than other expansion. The ATRs are cheap to operate and can fly profitably with a low load factor. I think that you will be seeing a lot of ATR expansion from Miami this year, rather than expanded RJ flying, starting with the already announced flights to Sarasota and Savannah. I know AA is in talks with a few Florida and Bahamas airports to re-open service that they ended when they moved the Saabs out of Miami.

[Edited 2007-09-20 23:21:48]


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3062 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3593 times:

ALB doesnt have a FLL flight


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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 3):
ALB doesnt have a FLL flight

Like I said, "Sans ALB, all have non-stops to FLL".

Southwest will be starting FLL-ALB sooner than later.



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3062 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

sorry. when will we get that fll flight BUF just got it


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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6764 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

Didn't Eagle use to offer PVD-RDU-MIA flights? American has really give the shaft to Providence.. There are a lot of destinations that could be served from PVD...


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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 5):
sorry. when will we get that fll flight BUF just got it

No idea when, but given they just added Buffalo, Providence, and Raleigh, Albany and Manchester are the next logical additions.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 6):
Didn't Eagle use to offer PVD-RDU-MIA flights? American has really give the shaft to Providence.. There are a lot of destinations that could be served from PVD...

American doesn't perform well at Providence, so why should they dedicate resources to unprofitable operations? RDU-PVD was a poor financial performer, and DFW-PVD yields were pretty bad. When American was flying PVD-RDU, they did take a good amount of connects to Miami, and even double-connects further south.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6764 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3522 times:

Well, here's hoping someone looks at the route.. andother routes from PVD.. perhaps US or WN.. or maybe XJet will jump in...


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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3062 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3477 times:

it would be great if us could jump in


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User currently offlineKstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
Southwest will be starting FLL-ALB sooner than later

I'd say there and PHX would be next, IMO.


It's tough as MQ doesn't have the right equipment for the route MIA-ALB.

Now if MIA had MD80's based there, it could be a feasible route. Once daily would sell pretty well.

Now I've brought this up in a previous thread, but can't AA operate a route out of ALB for some time due to some contract clause or something? I read it before, maybe I'm just crazy.



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Years ago, AA used to fly BUF-MIA, usually with a 727-100. A friend of mine was an F/E at the time, and he hated those early morining pre-flight inspections in the dead of winter.

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

the problem with PVD-DFW was too many LAX (and the like) connections at WN-matched fares. If AA simply revenue managed the flight better, it would have done fine. Both PVD-DFW and PVD-RDU flights were packed, which tells you it wasn't a demand issue, rather yield. The only one AA hasn't done is the one that would generate both a fare premium on local traffic (no LCC between PVD-MIA and there is some premium over FLL) and much better connecting yields via MIA to ethnic markets (PVD does have large SJU, GUA and SDQ/STI demographics and growing Bolivian and Venezualean ties as well). Throw in the fact that MIA is closer to DFW from PVD and most flow traffic closer than California (again, on better revenues) and the overall fuel costs would be lower. Combined, the overall yield picture on a PVD-MIA flight looks much better than PVD-DFW.

User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Thread starter):
I think they are waiting till they get more fleet. Is that right?

that and local O&D RASM is depressed thanks to B6, wn, and so on to FL... even CLE lost their daily... from a MD80 to twice daily EMB 140s, to one Daily to SAT only... I don't think that Mq will ever put the a/c on that long a haul with out stellar RASM.. AA might, but they also are short a/c...



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 14):

that and local O&D RASM is depressed thanks to B6, wn, and so on to FL... even CLE lost their daily... from a MD80 to twice daily EMB 140s, to one Daily to SAT only...

MIA-CLE daily has not been lost. It's coming back in the spring. Eagle is short on aircraft this winter. Very short.



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4499 posts, RR: 33
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

The problem is that AA does not have the proper equipment. These are not ideal ERJ routes, and even the CR7 is not best for these. AA needs a good-sized 100-seat aircraft to operate MIA-ALB/BUF/SYR/ROC. When that happens, I would not be surprised to see AA start.

Some of many casualties of AA's scope clause. The gap between a paltry 25 CR7's and the dog-pound of Mad Dogs yawns quite widely.

--UA's January 8, 1980 timetable shows ROC-MIA, ROC-FLL, and BUF-MIA all 1x daily nonstop on mainline a/c. (No UA in SYR or ALB until 1982).
--EA's July 2, 1979 timetable shows BUF-PHL-MIA daily on narrowbody a/c; same timetable shows SYR-ATL-FLL twice daily on narrowbody, and SYR-PHL-MIA once daily on L-1011. ALB-JFK-MIA was run once daily on narrowbody. (No EA in ROC til later that year)

Jim



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User currently offlineLat41 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

AA won't offer anything too comprehensive at PVD in order not to dilute it's BOS operation. The business may be there but AA would rather slug it out at Logan. If they wanted yield to higher dollar value destinations it would take not pricing fares at hundreds more at PVD. Otherwise all they would get are the low value stuff that they want to avoid in the first place.

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7485 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3068 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
MIA-ALB/BUF/SYR, as well as MIA-ROC, are also large enough markets to support a daily American Airlines flight. Sans ALB, all have non-stops to FLL, and only ROC's is seasonal, the rest are year-round.

We can only dream of this and of AA mainline returning. I read somewhere on here that the 5 year 'ban' on mainline here is up in '08. It's been almost 5 years since mainline left here . We used to get MD80's and F100's to ORD.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22938 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2945 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
I think that you will be seeing a lot of ATR expansion from Miami this year, rather than expanded RJ flying, starting with the already announced flights to Sarasota and Savannah.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
MIA-CLE daily has not been lost. It's coming back in the spring. Eagle is short on aircraft this winter. Very short.

Have you heard anything about bringing ATRs to CLT and redeploying the ERJs elsewhere? CLT-MIA is exactly 650 miles, so it's a touch long, but if MQ is as desperate for ERJs as they seem (and OW is as long on ATRs as they seem), it seems like the switch would make some sense.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7566 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2928 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):
Have you heard anything about bringing ATRs to CLT and redeploying the ERJs elsewhere?

No, this will say jet for competitive reasons against US. Eagle would like to make MIA-JAX all-jet, but thats currently not feasible with the lack of RJ's, particularly for MIA.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22938 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2913 times:

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 20):
No, this will say jet for competitive reasons against US.

An interesting point, and not one I'd thought of before. But I'm not sure regional aircraft compare favorably with mainline, regardless of what sort of powerplant they have.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 19):

Have you heard anything about bringing ATRs to CLT and redeploying the ERJs elsewhere? CLT-MIA is exactly 650 miles, so it's a touch long, but if MQ is as desperate for ERJs as they seem (and OW is as long on ATRs as they seem), it seems like the switch would make some sense.

No way. Trust me, MIA-CLT will stay with RJs. The route is an extremely important business route, with lots and lots of bank traffic (hence, MIA-CLT is 6x daily). No ATRs there. They are looking at using ATRs to some new Florida and Bahamas stations, as well as Mobile and Biloxi.



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5423 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
MIA-CLE daily has not been lost. It's coming back in the spring. Eagle is short on aircraft this winter. Very short.

I wondered about that flight. It comes back in early April, missing most of the snowbird season. Why would the aircraft become available then? Heavy schedule of winter maintenance?



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32740 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 23):

I wondered about that flight. It comes back in early April, missing most of the snowbird season. Why would the aircraft become available then? Heavy schedule of winter maintenance?

Just the way scheduling works out. I do know they still hope to find an ERJ to operate it daily during the winter, but can't commit one right now.

Also, remember that MIA does not have an ERJ base (yet), so it becomes more difficult to send ERJs to Miami because they have to be rotated from other stations. So an ERJ on MIA-CLE, for example, has to originate at an ERJ base, like ORD. AA can't add an ERJ to Miami without adjusting the inbound/outbound schedules from another station.



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25 USAirALB : so when the 5 year ban is lifted will upstate ny get mainline back? who made the 5 year ban? does aa want to come back?
26 HPAEAA : We'll I'll believe it when it starts flying again this spring... no new A/c could keep the situation the same... Out of curiosity and a little of top
27 MAH4546 : It is already bookable. MEM service.
28 BatonOps : Being in MDT I have heard this rumor for a while. I hope it does happen...MDT-MIA would be a great addition to the existing ORD and DFW service.
29 USAirALB : i didnt know they had DFW service hows it doin? would they be able to pull of a ALB route?
30 PanAm330 : Speaking of AA in Upstate NY, how are the ROC/SYR-DFW services doing? I'm assuming well enough to hold onto their daily CR7s, because BUF performed po
31 AEroc : United Fan...you are correct about the 5 year ban. This was put into place per the union agreement when AA pulled out of BUF/ROC/SYR/ALB. It states t
32 Buddys747 : Agree 100%. With the success of the DFW service and lack of direct flights to Florida from MDT, I think it would do fine. If they could only get the
33 USAirALB : Quoting PanAm330: Out of range for CR7 Its out of range? ALB is just 100 miles from SYR!
34 MAH4546 : So? DFW-SYR is just within the range. A CR7 cannot fly ALB-DFW.
35 USAirALB : Quoting MA4546:DFW-SYR is just within the range. A CR7 cannot fly ALB-DFW Here:DFW-SYR=1336 mi DFW-ALB=1435 mi CR7 range 1933 mi
36 PanAm330 : This is what I'd call "best case scenario" range. When you're taking off with a full load of pax and bags, from the very hot DFW, ALB simply isn't wi
37 MAH4546 : That does not take into account luggage, cargo, passenger weight, and headwinds, not to mention model difference. AA's CR7 fleet can't do ALB-DFW. On
38 AEroc : The CR7 is just on the edge coming into ROC and SYR. There have been a few times then the WX has gone to crap in ROC when the aircraft has been airbo
39 USAirALB : AA needs some kind of EMB 170!
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