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USAirways Air Carrier Certificate Merge  
User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5708 times:

Can the USAirways teams please update the rest of us on when the two operating certificates will merge into one?

Cheers,
BP1


"First To Fly The A-380" / 26 October 2007 SYD-SIN Inaugural
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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5708 times:

Quoting BP1 (Thread starter):
Can the USAirways teams please update the rest of us on when the two operating certificates will merge into one?

September 25th.

EOP.

NS


User currently offlineBridogger6 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 710 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5536 times:

Yeah, a little more specifically... the weight and balance systems and ACARS system that US East runs on, will be transferred over to the west side that same night, the night of September 25th. It will really take effect, and its consequences will be felt (if any) on Tuesday. This should be a MUCH smoother transition than the res migrartion that happened in March.

With this new system, there really are not all that many specific things the west side needs to know... just a few things will be different for each work group, but nothing hugely different from the process and the way of things that the west side does now... so it shouldn't be too bad, barring a complete computer system meltdown.  Smile


User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5506 times:

the old HP (US West) will also be surrendering the old operating certificate and all aircraft operations will be under one certificate going forward, although there will still be 2 call signs for now. Ultimately the call sign will be "Cactus" for everyone.

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5482 times:

Can we retitle this thread to make it apparent that it hasn't occurred yet?


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User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5476 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 4):
Can we retitle this thread to make it apparent that it hasn't occurred yet?

5 days...and it's happening for sure so it won't really be that big a deal to change the title.


User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5350 times:

Quoting Bridogger6 (Reply 2):
This should be a MUCH smoother transition than the res migrartion that happened in March.

Well, let's hope so. Nonetheless, I'm glad I'm on UA midweek next week and not back on US until next Friday ...


User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5143 times:

When will scheduling for crews and aircraft be able to use any East or West airplane?

The current Certificates are:

USAirways (East)

http://av-info.faa.gov/detail.asp?DS...R_FAR=121&OPER_NAME=US+AIRWAYS+INC

America West aka USAirways (West)

http://av-info.faa.gov/detail.asp?SG...PER_NAME=AMERICA+WEST+AIRLINES+INC

Cheers,
BP1



"First To Fly The A-380" / 26 October 2007 SYD-SIN Inaugural
User currently offlineN710PS From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5078 times:

It is indeed a defineate date at which point DECS becomes the W&B system of useage and a few other things though the callsign will remain seperate untill an agreement with the pilot groups is reached. It is really a done merger except for the pilot side and I totally relate being with a wholly owned subsidary of east myself.


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User currently offlineUSA9195 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4875 times:

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 3):
the old HP (US West) will also be surrendering the old operating certificate and all aircraft operations will be under one certificate going forward, although there will still be 2 call signs for now. Ultimately the call sign will be "Cactus" for everyone.

Listen I have been reading these threads about the darn combined call sign for a while and I am fed up with this. Listen once and for all.....According to a Q&A in our company newsletter about two weeks ago it was announced that they have NOT!! decided what the final call sign will be. Enough of this "It's going to be Cactus" WE DONT KNOW WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE YET, and if I have to I will post the Q&A.

It is true that we are going to remain under two separate call signs for a while. How about we talk about something else like new new products and uniforms we are bringing out in January 2008


User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

Quoting USA9195 (Reply 9):
It's going to be Cactus" WE DONT KNOW WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE YET, and if I have to I will post the Q&A.

my 2 West pilot buddies and the West MEC claim differently. I pointed out it will be 2 for now, but it has to go to one at some point, but yes we all know it is two for now.

I am based in PHX so I am very excited about the new products coming online. If I have to fly on N620AW one more time hopeing the tail will hold together it will be too soon  Smile


User currently offlineN710PS From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1166 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4778 times:

I can actually confirm having been in one of the town hall meetings where it was discussed and it was stated by the man himself that Cactus will be the surviving call sign when all is said and done. When it will be all said and done though is anyones guess. It is unfortuneate that the USAir callsign will dissapear but it is what was decided by the folks in Tempe.


There is plenty of room for Gods animals, right next to the mashed potatoes!
User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4759 times:

Quoting N710PS (Reply 11):
When it will be all said and done though is anyones guess. It is unfortuneate that the USAir callsign will dissapear but it is what was decided by the folks in Tempe.

It is kinda sad, but at the same time, it's a decent trade-off. The East guys get to keep their company name, and the west guys get to keep their call-sign.



Good goes around!
User currently offlineSirOmega From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4754 times:

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 12):

It is kinda sad, but at the same time, it's a decent trade-off. The East guys get to keep their company name, and the west guys get to keep their call-sign.

Plus "Cactus" is just cooler anyways  Wink.


User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

Quoting SirOmega (Reply 13):
Plus "Cactus" is just cooler anyways .

Absolutely  Smile Right up there with Citrus!



Good goes around!
User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 14):
Right up there with Citrus!

um....not so much..  Smile for me, it would be Amtran...

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 10):
If I have to fly on N620AW one more time hopeing the tail will hold together it will be too soon Smile

what is this with you flying on 620?



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User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4694 times:

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 15):
Right up there with Citrus!

um....not so much.. for me, it would be Amtran...

Yeah, i like that one too, but I love citrus.



Good goes around!
User currently offlineUSA9195 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4610 times:

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 12):
I can actually confirm having been in one of the town hall meetings where it was discussed and it was stated by the man himself that Cactus will be the surviving call sign when all is said and done. When it will be all said and done though is anyones guess. It is unfortuneate that the USAir callsign will dissapear but it is what was decided by the folks in Tempe.

Really.......I have watched all the town halls and never have I heard either Scott or Doug say that it is going to be Cactus...Care to enrich me as to where it is on what town hall?


User currently offlineBP1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4600 times:

What is the deal with 620? Is that the one that fell on its nose in the maintenance hangar in PHX?

Cheers,
BP1



"First To Fly The A-380" / 26 October 2007 SYD-SIN Inaugural
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24854 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4592 times:

Regarding the call sign - according to the Sept 6 edition of About US....


Q. I have heard rumors that we will continue to use two separate call signs, even after we are on one certificate. Is this true? And if so, why?

A. It's true. Managing Director, Flight Operations Lyle Hogg explained: "There is too much going on to add to the many possible distractions our pilots face at this point in time. When the time is right, we will address the call sign issue for the combined carrier." FAA is allowing US Airways to continue using two separate call signs in the short term.



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User currently offlineUSA9195 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4565 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 19):
Regarding the call sign - according to the Sept 6 edition of About US....


Q. I have heard rumors that we will continue to use two separate call signs, even after we are on one certificate. Is this true? And if so, why?

A. It's true. Managing Director, Flight Operations Lyle Hogg explained: "There is too much going on to add to the many possible distractions our pilots face at this point in time. When the time is right, we will address the call sign issue for the combined carrier." FAA is allowing US Airways to continue using two separate call signs in the short term.

Thank you for posting that...I was getting ready to...Hopefully this will put to rest the "It's going to be this callsign and nothing else" issue

And by the way it looks like we are on-time for the cut over I pulled up the schedule for the 25th in DECS yesterday and all the west metal was in the schedule

[Edited 2007-09-22 16:33:53]

User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4543 times:

Yup everything is still scheduled for the 25th. Things should go smoothly....they done massive training with us guys on the old MAPPER system....it's actually very easy.

But does this mean that "east" crews can fly "west" planes and vice versa? I wasn't clear on that....


User currently offlineUSA9195 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4539 times:

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 21):
But does this mean that "east" crews can fly "west" planes and vice versa? I wasn't clear on that....

Nope they can't yet.....We will see how the talks go though which started today or yesterday (in reference to the pilots)


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4526 times:

I Can't wait!
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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4036 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4469 times:

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 15):
what is this with you flying on 620?



Quoting BP1 (Reply 18):
What is the deal with 620? Is that the one that fell on its nose in the maintenance hangar in PHX?

Isn't 620 the oldster? The one with more cycles than any other 320 still flying?


25 Floridaflyboy : You need to learn to hit the correct quote button!! You have to hit the one above the text, not below it!! You quoted me as saying something I didn't
26 Cubsrule : The res migration is arguably still going on. There are STILL (mainline) agents in CLT who cannot use SHARES correctly, and kiosk failures are sadly
27 USA9195 : You said it yourself right there "Agents who cannot use SHARES correctly" I think it is because they haven't taken the time to stop complaining about
28 USA9195 : Sorry about that, like I said yesterday these are my first few posts ever on airliners. That was meant for N710PS
29 BrettFromCLT : I always liked Critter.
30 Cubsrule : Actually, I haven't had a kiosk failure in CLT in some time. It's ORD and STL that have been kicking my butt (though my favorite is still the one in
31 Floridaflyboy : Oh, absolutely. That one's always going to be on the list of all time best call signs.
32 N710PS : I like waterski myself. It is humorous. In PHL one day we were a few birds behind one to go and after instructions were issued to him someone on frequ
33 WesternA318 : Of course...nothign els ewould sound better except for maybe.."Trans World" or "Piedmont"...just my two cents though.
34 PHLwok : Piedmont is, of course, still in use by the US Express carrier of the same name.
35 Itsnotfinals : it's one of the highest time "buses in the world. There were some issues with it that Toulouse has to address a while ago. It needs to be scrapped.
36 N710PS : Here here to that. I flew aboard that hunk of composite crap a few weeks ago to Omaha on vacay.
37 Post contains images Lrdc9 : I honestly don't understand how anybody likes the call sign cactus ( ). Personally, I like US current call sign. It sounds profesional, not like it's
38 Cancidas : USAir is fine but old. using cactus will be just a little bit left over from the past. personally, i like it. it's unique, like citrus and clipper an
39 AviationAddict : I get the impression that some US East pilots are not too keen on using the Cactus callsign; what's the deal with this? I mean, you'd think that the
40 N710PS : Please tell me that was a effing joke? Please tell me. Otherwiswe tell me in clearest details possible how they did what you state.
41 AviationAddict : No it's not a joke, it's a legit question. Maybe I don't understand the situation very well, but from the outside it would appear that HP lost more i
42 IFLYjets : Oh god NOT another US pilot seniority thread. 620AW has the old old old old AWA seats and its cracks and whistles at the doors and it takes you straig
43 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : Reminds me when Canadian regional carrier Pacific Western bought CP Air in 1987, the name changed to Canadian Airlines, the CP 2-letter code was reta
44 Post contains images Itsnotfinals : HP chose to keep the better known brand name (Just like Cingular bought AT&T and now uses the tagline "Cingular is now the new AT&T). HP kept the nam
45 Post contains images Jibblets : It's off-topic, but that's not exactly what happened. Cingular was formed in 2001 as a joint partnership between SBC and BellSouth. In 2004, Cingular
46 AlexPorter : N301US is even older, although I can't attest for its interior condition or anything like that. N301US is cn 031, and N620AW is cn 052. I should add
47 Dispatchguy : What about the dispatches? Is USAir still keeping SABRE DECS, and AWE keeping SABRE-Bornemann.
48 Gift4tbone : As of tomorrow, US (no more HP) will be using DECS[sabre] across the board." -Tony@PVD
49 Dispatchguy : Oh how I envy them, using the JR* Mask - so much easier than point and click!
50 United787 : Does that mean that all of the flights will now be US flight numbers not US Flights DBA or Operated By America West flight numbers? When do they chan
51 N710PS : Affirmative. And to add DECS Sabre will remain as of tomorrow for the entire system. Only a few more steps to go . Might I add that the east side of t
52 EI A330-200 : Regarding the call sign issue, if you want my opinion, the company should form a new call sign, one that reflects neither USAirways or AmericaWest. Th
53 Gift4tbone : The first flights to take off the morning of tues 9/25, will ALL be US flight numbers, HI flights will be US60, US62, etc...now more AWE. Well I will
54 Post contains images Jlbmedia : I think with all the animosity between sides, you probably have the right idea. I just don't see it happening.
55 Maverick623 : That's because America West is paying all of the overhead costs, the Officer's big paychecks, all that stuff, and the East side pays none of it. Not
56 LASOctoberB6 : i wonder if i said this before somewhere... i wish America West let US die.. im very sorry to say it, but thats how i feel. not to disrespect any US o
57 N710PS : US is one with West now in body but the cultures are totally diffrent. Untill the old die hard easties are all gone which will not be for a long time
58 AlexPorter : Flightaware is still listing separate AWE and USA flights... did the switch happen or not?
59 Itsnotfinals : the entire process is supposed to be complete on the 27th. I was speaking to one of my buddies that is an FO for US and he says he thought flights wo
60 Phxplanes : Yes they merge the night of the 25th so in the next few hours.
61 USA9195 : In just a few hours acutally...0001PST tonite/tomorrow morning..Good by America West
62 AlexPorter : Cool... I'm hanging out on flightaware checking out all the little AW mountain/sun logos on routes like PHX-LAS one last time. Sure, that logo will s
63 PHLapproach : In theory our dispatchers might not start filing one ICAO code until the callsign is one. For obvious reasons
64 SPREE34 : Perhaps a "Grass Roots" movement from employees like yourself could be organized. Peer organizing and influence can work wonders. Eventually the East
65 Itsnotfinals : After they surrender the HP operating cetificate, that will be hard to do. the 27th is supposed to be the final transition date
66 AlexPorter : I have noticed that today there are still a bunch of AWE flights - the only USA flights are all #700+ as usual.
67 Clipper136 : More accurately......you wish America West would have let US and HP die......... and both would have had they not been able prop each other up, as bo
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