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AI In Talks With A And B; Eyes A380 And 748  
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5878 times:

Air India Starts Talks With Boeing, Airbus. Eyes A380 and 748.
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...OWJONESDJONLINE000258_FORTUNE5.htm

Quotes:
State-owned Air India has begun talks with Boeing Co. (BA) and Airbus to buy new planes including the A380 superjumbo, people familiar with the development said Friday.

In July, Air India said it plans to buy about 60 new passenger jetliners over the next few years and aims to start the selection and purchase process by mid- August. "The airline is in touch with both Boeing and Airbus on the types of aircraft available and what will be required in the industry in future," said a senior airline executive, who didn't want to be named.

"There is a committee in the airline which is discussing the ratio of planes to buy, how many small capacity and short haul and how many ultra-long range. It includes the A380 and the 747-800 model," the airline executive said.

In a move to modernize their aging fleets, Air India ordered 68 Boeing jets, worth over $11 billion at list prices in December 2005, while Indian Airlines placed a $2.2 billion order in February 2006 with European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co. (5730.FR) unit Airbus, for 43 planes.

Consultancy firm Ernst & Young India forecast in a recent report that the fleet size of Indian carriers will more than triple to 700 from 235 by 2012. India's aviation industry is expected to grow by more than 25% annually over the next few years as a rapidly expanding economy boosts incomes, making it an attractive market for local and international carriers.

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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2739 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5851 times:

My guess is that Airbus will win the order, this is obvious


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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5821 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
My guess is that Airbus will win the order, this is obvious

It is possible that AI will not order A380 or B748, but will place orders for narrowbody--A320 series for domestic, B737 series for AIX, a LCC subsidiary of AI--and order additional 787s, and perhaps 772LR or A350s.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11701 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5784 times:

I would have thought that both aircraft have a place in AI's fleet as they have vastly different capacities; 787/777-200, B747-800, A380-800 would work well if they are in need of a VLA. Time though will of course tell.


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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5748 times:

I think they should concentrate on A32X and 787s for now, with Indias skies opening up i dont think there is need for VLAs.

Karan


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1910 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5692 times:

This one will go to 747-8i. I doubt AI will need anything bigger in their fleet.


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User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5561 times:

Its India, with a billion people and huge growth in aviation, so I think the best choice would be A380's. They could get a good deal on A350's too if ordered at the same time. The A350-1000s would would be a good match with their 27 787-8s they have on order. Airbus has a good shot at this order.

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5542 times:

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 6):
Its India, with a billion people and huge growth in aviation, so I think the best choice would be A380's. They could get a good deal on A350's too if ordered at the same time. The A350-1000s would would be a good match with their 27 787-8s they have on order. Airbus has a good shot at this order.

Problem is the infrastructure doesn't exist to support the A380.



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User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5525 times:

Well it could be decided on which they can get 1st. If they get in back of line for A380, it could mean that the B747-8i can be had before A380. I don't know. Just food for thought.

I myself am hoping for further orders of 747-8i. I'll wait and see like we all should.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21580 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 5):
This one will go to 747-8i. I doubt AI will need anything bigger in their fleet.



Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
My guess is that Airbus will win the order, this is obvious

Fight, fight, fight!

Such 180 degree diametrically opposed confidence!  Wink



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User currently offlineMahan From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5098 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 7):

Problem is the infrastructure doesn't exist to support the A380

Even though the outlook looks bleak, Indians manage to find a way to make things happen.. everything appears chaotic, unorganized, cannot get anything done.. but sometimes, things happen in chaos.. Airports are being modernized Cochin, BLR, Hyderabda, Delhi might be able to support 380 in a year or 2.



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3284 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5030 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 7):
Problem is the infrastructure doesn't exist to support the A380.

That's not a problem at all - by the time AI and the 59 committees make up their mind and place the order, EK, LH etc. would have been flying 380s to India for years - and forced the infrastructure in place Big grin



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4913 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 11):
That's not a problem at all - by the time AI and the 59 committees make up their mind and place the order, EK, LH etc. would have been flying 380s to India for years - and forced the infrastructure in place Big grin

Plus barring the EY testbeds the next available factory built A380 slots are only starting from mid-2011

Karan


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27304 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4892 times:

Would be great to see the A380 in AI livery!!! Just think all those Palace windows!!!

User currently offlineIvo From Belgium, joined Sep 2000, 470 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4836 times:

They can get early A380 positions via ILFC

Ivo


User currently offlineKennyK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4476 times:

Don't forget Kingfisher have already ordered A380s and Emirates will certainly be flying them into Indian airports within a couple of years.

User currently onlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2606 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4416 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 3):
I would have thought that both aircraft have a place in AI's fleet

Agreed - along with the likes of LH and BA, I think AI is one carrier that could effectively fly both models.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 13):
Would be great to see the A380 in AI livery!!! Just think all those Palace windows!!!

Yeah - now that would be cool!!


User currently offline797charter From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4143 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 7):
Problem is the infrastructure doesn't exist to support the A380.

Maybe they can borrow some stairs from Kingfisher, when they have finished boarding?



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4015 times:

I guess the A330 has a good chance here , referring to the comments the CEO declared some months ago , and the beginning of the lease of 2 Ex Novair machines.
Is an ideal replacement for A310s , before the 787 arrival.
Sure will do a good job on the AI network.


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 18):
Is an ideal replacement for A310s , before the 787 arrival.

If 787 deliveries go as planned , AI would get almost 14 787s by 2009 end, when is the earliest 330 slot availalbe--i assume after 2009.

Ofcourse leasing is a different ball game, but with govt procedures in India--the leasing companies have to approach AI/IC rather than the other way around.

Karan


User currently offlineTeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3824 times:

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 6):
Its India, with a billion people and huge growth in aviation, so I think the best choice would be A380's.

 redflag Another widely held misconception! India has a large population, but only a fraction of that population has any hope of affording regular air travel. It will be decades before India (or China) approaches the size of Europe or North America in terms of the aviation market.

 point AI may choose the A380, but not because they expect a billion people as potential O & D traffic.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31387 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3794 times:
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How is AI's JFK-LHR-BOM/DEL services doing? I recall that they used to be really strong, but I think some folks said traffic has started to fall off rather precipitously.

If it is still strong and growing, an A380 would be perfect. If it is stable (at 744 loads) or falling, then the 747-8I or the 777/A350 might be the more prudent model.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3783 times:

By the time this works it's way through the bureaucracy, both lines will have been closed.

User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3677 times:

Even if Air India orders the A380 or even the 747-8, they will not be able to fill them. The market in India is now filled with several airlines, all competing on the same flights. There is no need for any one airline to have a VLA. The 777-300ER is the largest aircraft Air India needs.

User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12869 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3650 times:
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Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 20):
Another widely held misconception! India has a large population, but only a fraction of that population has any hope of affording regular air travel. It will be decades before India (or China) approaches the size of Europe or North America in terms of the aviation market.

Both countries have a booming "middle/profesional class" for whom air travel is rapidly becoming the accepted norm. I've flown several internal flights in India this year - the fares were low and the flights were full. Just look at the number of planes on order in both countries and that the buying spree in both shows no sign of slowing down.



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25 Aerokiwi : It's not quite as simple as that. Yes wealth is growing, but capacity is too and there are serious concerns about the long term viability of several
26 TeamAmerica : True, it's just that the numbers entering that afluent class are nowhere near as large as people assume. Certainly not a billion! Taking the populati
27 Sammyk : If it was just a few people on occasion then no. If thousands started taking the same route then yes, I'd say a road would be built. Unfortunately in
28 PM : Well, please define "affluent" for us and suggest a credible number. Even if you only include a quarter of the population, that's close to the total
29 LAXDESI : India's aviation sector is expected to record about 120 million passengers for the fiscal year 2007--compare that to 700 million passengers for USA. I
30 TrijetsRMissed : I'm hoping for a 748i order to give the 748i program a boost and perhaps provide some momentum along with the recent TG order.
31 PM : Don't count your chickens. There's no order yet.
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