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Swiss To "float Away" Damaged Avro RJ At LCY  
User currently offlineBells From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 157 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9707 times:

Swiss is going to float its damaged Avro RJ down the Thames for repairs, from London City Airport.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...oating-pontoon-at-london-city.html

Do you think the aircraft can really be worth such a complicated repair job?

Love the way they covered up the "Swiss" titles, but who gives a damn about Star Alliance!!!

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User currently offlineIcLCY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9639 times:

Since I took that pic, only one of the triangles is now visable on the tail.

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11616 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9600 times:

Quote:
"Security-wise everything is being prepared. We are going to build a special hangar for the aircraft,"

I presume then they will be returning the repaired aircraft back to LCY again once it is airworthy. Should make for some interesting pictures!


Dan Smile



...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9568 times:

This has been known for quite a while now. The only reason why they are repairing it is their shortage of regional aircraft.

Quoting Bells (Thread starter):
Love the way they covered up the "Swiss" titles, but who gives a damn about Star Alliance!!!

Well err, *A takes up the better part of the whole fuselage.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4627 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9521 times:

Quoting Bells (Thread starter):
but who gives a damn about Star Alliance!!!

Couldn't have said it better myself, as a loyal oneworld customer  Smile  Smile

Quoting Bells (Thread starter):
Do you think the aircraft can really be worth such a complicated repair job?

They wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't worth it. They'd just write it off and get the insurance company to pay out on it - obviously the repair is so costly as to write off the aircraft.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offline6YJJK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9343 times:

HB-IYU - I flew on that one last year, ZRH-MAN. I was disappointed because it was in *A colours (blech) and not one of the fancy "Zurich Shopping" ones or even regular Swiss. Shame about the Avro, but - couldn't have happened to a nicer paint job  Wink

User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9072 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 3):
This has been known for quite a while now. The only reason why they are repairing it is their shortage of regional aircraft.

True and LX is currently getting rid of all it's Avro RJ85's and it doesn't look like they are getting replaced with other RJ100's so the Swiss European fleet would be at 20 Aircraft eventually when IYU will rejoin the fleet again.


User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8630 times:

I'm looking out my window, she's now on a barge: as she floats past I'll snap away and try to post some picks.


  

Anyone know where she's off too...if she's not flyable, it must be an airport where they can float her into it.

[Edited 2007-09-22 16:24:17]


Remember: The Bird Hit You, You Didn't Hit The Bird.....
User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8569 times:

Quoting BBJII (Reply 7):

Anyone know where she's off too...if she's not flyable, it must be an airport where they can float her into it.

Or probably some sort of dockyard or so. Just anywhere they have a large, empty hall will do i assume, all the needed equipment and manpower can be shipped to there.


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7401 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8470 times:

Quoting BBJII (Reply 7):
Anyone know where she's off too...

The article linked in the original post says:
"The [Swiss International Air Lines] spokesman says it will be towed onto a marine pontoon and floated a short distance along the river to the north Royal Dock area.

"'Security wise everything is being prepared. We are going to build a special hangar for the aircraft . . .'"

Build a special hangar? Pretty expensive I would have thought.


User currently offlineBBJII From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8462 times:

The aircraft has been towed on it's barge to the North Side of the Dock.

Looks like they may tow it onto terra firma of the dock itself.



Remember: The Bird Hit You, You Didn't Hit The Bird.....
User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8409 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 9):
The article linked in the original post says:
"The [Swiss International Air Lines] spokesman says it will be towed onto a marine pontoon and floated a short distance along the river to the north Royal Dock area.

So i guessed right Big grin

Quoting VV701 (Reply 9):
Build a special hangar? Pretty expensive I would have thought.

The Swiss way of solving problems: Spend as much money as possible  Wink


User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8197 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 11):
The Swiss way of solving problems: Spend as much money as possible Wink

lol... so true


User currently offlineSeansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6921 times:

My pictures have now been uploaded and can be seen via Flight Global :

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...oating-pontoon-at-london-city.html

[Edited 2007-09-24 18:28:38]

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6826 times:

Thanks. Cool photos. I would like to ride on a AVRO RJ 100 boat. Big grin

User currently offlineIcna05e From France, joined Feb 2006, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6666 times:

Just out of curiosity... where was this a/c stored for all this time? I thought LCY was a pretty tight airport with very little if no place to spare. I looked the thread about the accident but couldn't find any info about this.

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12352 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6656 times:

Would be cool to have an aerial shot of her in her new location...


Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlineSeansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6620 times:

The aircraft has been parked at the end of the runway near the Jetcentre and the large green fire-fighting plane but this space is too small to carry out any work.

User currently offlineIcna05e From France, joined Feb 2006, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6377 times:

Ah thanks Seansas for that precision... that would be just right of the yellow trucks on the Google Earth images right?

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24891 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6333 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 14):
Thanks. Cool photos. I would like to ride on a AVRO RJ 100 boat.

Not quite as big as KL's 747-206SUD "boat", when it was shipped by barge (minus wings/tail) through the canals of AMS in 2004 to reach it's new home at the Aviodrome Museum at Lelystad near AMS.


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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6311 times:

Quoting Icna05e (Reply 15):
I looked the thread about the accident but couldn't find any info about this.

It wasn't a real accident. They had a hard landing because of heavy winds, which damaged the aircraft. I think the passengers didn't even notice that the plane was damaged. So there was no thread about it.


User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6239 times:

I flew in from ZRH on a BAE146 on Sunday...

Boy they land these things hard, we bounced twice on landing which produced such a noise it vibrated through my bones !

I looked for the damaged Bae146 but I guessed theyve already removed it as it wasnt there... certainly wasnt at any of the gates or down by the firestation and private parking ramp.

Spent 4 cool hours on the roof off ZRH airport following my GRU connecting flight.. a very cool place to watch the noon-1pm long haul take offs !



So far in 2008 45 flights and Gold already. JFK, IAD, LGA, SIN, HKG, NRT, AKL, PPT, LAX still to book ! Home Airport LCY
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6217 times:

Quoting Bells (Thread starter):

Do you think the aircraft can really be worth such a complicated repair job?

If only to operate into LCY and other high yield/short runway airports, yes.



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User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6177 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
If only to operate into LCY and other high yield/short runway airports, yes.

Maybe the work isnt that expensive, given the UK is the home of the 146, getting spares and engineers is probably a lot cheaper than say to do this in another country..

If this had been an F50.. it'd probably have been game over.. the cost of expenses / personnel and parts delivery from Holland would have seen it off. I reckon it was probably a close call though.

The revenue generated on the LCY-ZRH route is probably higher than the LHR-ZRH route ..I know ive had a few good air fares on this route and many people around me think nothing of a 2-3 x weekly commute at £400 return.



So far in 2008 45 flights and Gold already. JFK, IAD, LGA, SIN, HKG, NRT, AKL, PPT, LAX still to book ! Home Airport LCY
User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6167 times:

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 23):

Another key cause in favor of the repair was LX's aircraft shortage. They have to wetlease a lot of equipment to keep shorthaul operations running an dthey cant afford losing another aircraft.


25 ZRH : To be correct and a little bit picky LX does not fly Bae 146 but newer AVRO RJ 100. As I know you can compare the difference like between a B 737 cla
26 Gkirk : I was gonna say, what other a/c, other than this Avro and a BA Concorde have been transported by barge?
27 Revelation : The Spruce Goose, when it moved from Long Beach to Oregon...
28 Post contains images AntonovA330 : Most probably because of the runway lenght. There's not enough room for flaring as long as hell Having also flown AVROs several times, I've experienc
29 Breiz : Many years ago (maybe 15?), an SAS DC-9 had a hard landing in Northern Norway, cracking the fuselage if I remember well. This DC-9 was transported ba
30 Post contains links Bennett123 : Breiz http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19870223-0 I think that this is the one. Strictly speaking this is off topic. David
31 Post contains links Viscount724 : There's also a photo somewhere of a JAL DC-8-62 on a barge at SFO in 1968 after it was recovered from San Francisco Bay. It landed about 2 miles shor
32 Ryanair : How truely bizare. Certainly a site I would have liked to have seen. Is it just me or do Swiss seem to have quite a few operational incidents? That is
33 SandroZRH : They had a few unlucky weeks with their longhaul fleet. Two aircraft were damaged on the ground by jetways and they had a few problems with the A332
34 LXA340 : Let's just hope planes don't go tech once the spare plane is used to fly for planes which are getting maintananced. Isn't the majority of the A332's
35 Viscount724 : The LX website fleet list shows 10 A340-300s as of July 2007. Are they really adding aother 5 between now and next year? I knew they had acquired a f
36 HT : G-FLTC is flying FOR LX, but not in LX-colors - and that one is a BAe 146-300. Aircraft and/or crew shortage at LX - the same reason why F100's HB-JV
37 SandroZRH : Yes they are indeed, apart from the two ex-OS birds, all will be ex-AC.
38 HT : " target=_blank>http://aviation-safety.net/database/...122-0 The Tu-144 on display at Auto- und Technikmuseum Sinsheim was also transported by barge a
39 Post contains links and images DEVILFISH : Swiss RJ @ LCY (by IcLCY Aug 30 2007 in Civil Aviation) The Concorde was fond of "sailing" indeed..... View Large View MediumPhoto © Michael F.
40 LXA340 : Since last friday the 11th A340 has joined LX's fleet. The remaining 4 will join the fleet between Feb - May 08
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