EMA747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 882 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13209 times:
Here we go again with the Q400 problems. After the SAS incidents this has to be too many already without another one. Bombardier needs to sort this right now. It would be an absolute outrage if there is a dash 8 accident with fatalities after what has happened already.
It could be something unconnected with the recent incidents but I somehow doubt it.
Failing doesn’t make you a failure. Giving up and refusing to try again does!
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 7976 posts, RR: 66 Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13167 times:
With nose-gear failure I can't imagine there being any injuries, the nose isn't that far off the ground and hopefully it would have come to a stop quickly.
OHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3878 posts, RR: 30 Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12831 times:
More news I just received from a friend:
The A/C was on the way to FLR when the Captain discovered that there was a Nose gear failure and since he could not land at FLR he decided to return to MUC instead. He made a safe landing at MUC. No serious injuries.
Sandager From Denmark, joined May 2007, 66 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12705 times:
Quoting Threepoint (Reply 6): They are. It's not like they're sitting idle after the three maingear mishaps (incl the Japan one). Come on now.
Well according to the Danish medias and SAS too, I believe, there certainly hasn't been much support from Bombardier. More the opposite. Certainly Bombardier has been critisized a lot in the Danish press lately for they attitude in these incidents
Can258 From Turkey, joined Sep 2007, 51 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12545 times:
OMG !!!!!!!!!! My dad was in that flight he just called me from Munich . I couldn't believe what I heard . Thanks god everyone is OK . He told me that they were approaching Florence and then the pilot told them that the runway is not long enough to stop therefore they returned to Munich and landed on 08R . The nose is broken and he took photos . I will send more details as soon as possible and also i will post the photos . OMG Thats bad very bad . Whats going on with these Dash 8's ???
TuRbUleNc3 From United Kingdom (England), joined May 2006, 511 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12506 times:
Quoting Can258 (Reply 13): He told me that they were approaching Malpensa
I thought someone said the flight was going to FLR ..Florence?
Xtoler From United States, joined Sep 2007, 890 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12496 times:
Quoting Sandager (Reply 12): Well according to the Danish medias
Well, you know how the media is anywhere in the world. Then again I wouldn't doubt the between the media and manufacturer would say two different things. I wouldn't put it past Bombardier to place blame on the airlines' (yes plural).
That's a pretty piss poor business attitude if they aren't doing anything to fix this problem.
I'd take my business elsewhere. I really am an airline CEO, even though I live in a small flat and drive an 8 year old Ford Taurus and actually work nights as a computer operator for a distribution center in Denver (it's my side job).
Just kidding, had to lighten the mood.
EMB145 F/A, F/E, J41 F/A, F/E, because my wife clipped my wings, armchair captain
Can258 From Turkey, joined Sep 2007, 51 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12458 times:
I'm sorry guys I wrote Malpensa . Its Florence I was in shock !!. Thanks God nothing happened. My dad also told me that they took video while landing and after landing . I will send the photos and videos as soon as he sends them to me .
Xtoler From United States, joined Sep 2007, 890 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12320 times:
I'm checking for any fatalities regarding gear collapse. I haven't found anything yet, but I did find an interesting site, with interesting incidents.
aviation-safety.net/news/news.php
Slightly off topic, but anyone operate or fly BAe 4100 (J41) Jetstreams and have any problems with the nose gear slipping off the pinion (I think that's it) either taxiing or landing? Just wondering. When I flew there were at least two I know of we had problems with. And another one we did have a nose wheel collapse.
EMB145 F/A, F/E, J41 F/A, F/E, because my wife clipped my wings, armchair captain
CPHGuard From Denmark, joined Jun 2006, 254 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11693 times:
Quoting Xtoler (Reply 15): Well, you know how the media is anywhere in the world
As I have written several times in this forum, it's not a mediahype.
According to the report released by the Swedish investigation board a couple of weeks ago, the relationship between SAS and Bombardier has been close to the freezing point.
RIXrat From United States, joined Nov 2005, 619 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11454 times:
Quoting MerlinIIIB (Reply 17): Has there been ANY fatalities in landing gear related incidents worldwide the last 10 years?
Does there have to be fatalities in order to get the plane fixed right? So far Bombardier has been very lucky that there have been no fatalities, but there have been slight injuries on the 400 crashes. This plane has to be watched very closely.
OHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3878 posts, RR: 30 Reply 25, posted (2 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11196 times:
Quoting Sukhoi (Reply 24): You are joking right! Fly KF instead hopefully they don´t do crashlandings!
I know but I am at VIE right now. If I was able to I choose the exotic way.
26 TuRbUleNc3: I didnt doubt you, i guessed that may be the cause. Pics/videos are welcome i would sure like to see them.
27 Xtoler: If you were in America we call that the Liberal Left Wing, Anti-Republican, Anti-Bush... blah, blah, blah. Who can you trust as far as the media is c
28 Alessandro: Xtoler, tack is the word. I nicked the link from my now defunct double thread...
29 Scrumpy492003: A report in a Canadian newspaper (Globe and Mail)- business section last weekend from Bombardier, (only read it yesterday) said that the main gear fai
30 YVRLTN: Do LH & SK share the same mx or do they both look after their own mx?? A possible common link, bearing in mind Bombardier (not me...) are blaming SK
31 OHLHD: I do not believe that they share the mx. See this thread answer number 7 by CPHGuard. Scandinavian DHC-8-400Q: When Back In Service? (by Airevents Se
32 Rivet42: I wouldn't call this an 'accident', as the pilot did whatever he did with full intent & control; neither would I call it a 'crash', as it was a contro
33 Aleksandar: At first, I thought it was, but this is too much. In fact, it is very bad for everyone, except ATR, I guess.
34 CPHGuard: I'm pretty sure there is a definition of when you can call it a crash or incident. In my world, an accident is when an aircraft comes to a standstill
35 Aleksandar: I simplified that a bit: incident = no fatalities accident= with fatalities
36 CPHGuard: Here it comes. The definition out of NTSB: All investigations in the online aviation accident database are defined as either "Incident" and "Accident
37 AsstChiefMark: An accident means no one was at fault. Do we know that some maintenance guy didn't screw something up the last time the nose gear was worked on? Do we
38 CPHGuard: Don't agree with you on that. 99.9% of all airplane accidents, someone is at fault. It could be mechanics, pilots, manufacturer, ATC, etc. Maybe in s
39 Aleksandar: Thanks, but this is something I've read in FI ages ago (more than a decade) and old dog can't learn new tricks that fast Anyway, I'll try to adapt my
40 AsstChiefMark: That's an oxymoron. Here's a good explanation of accident vs. incident: Don't Use the 'A' Word In discussing prevention, it is important to clarify t
42 KBFIspotter: I will certianly believe that... We have waited days in the past to hear back from Bombardier on issues with the Q400 and the Dash 8-200. Their custo
43 Xtoler: Accident = Sh!t happens Incident = Cain't say fer sher what happend'
44 Rivet42: (my emphasis, for clarity) Fair enough, but I wasn't aware that there were any serious injuries, and looking at the photo i'd be very reluctant to de
45 Alias1024: We are discussing aviation. "Accident" has a specific aviation related definition, completely independent of what Webster decides to publish. Whether
46 AsstChiefMark: Interesting. I recall receiving a memo from the US DOT stating that vehicle crashes will no longer be referred to "accidents." They also recommended t
47 LTU330: Right. What do you want ? 'Crash' or 'Incident'. Personally it does not bother me. Maybe I should have either not bothered reporting it, or maybe I s
48 Flybynight: Seems like Horizon Air is getting their fleet up and running again pretty quickly, but I guess that is because the number of cycles aren't that great.
49 AsstChiefMark: Switch around "incident" and "crash" and you've got it right. Although saying he crashed into a set of steps would be OK.
50 Can258: What's the reason do you think for this one? Can it be corrosion which happened to SAS Dash 8's??? By the way my dad is on the way from MUC to ADB. Wh
51 Curmudgeon: In my part of the world (ie aviation) there are incidents, and there are accidents. Incidents are events which could have become accidents but for cor
52 Flyboy97502: Considering that on the 11th. 19 out of 33 were grounded in anticipation of inspection. but for QX, as of the 21aug, they are at 95% fleet status(Q40
53 MerlinIIIB: No, I just wonder why people are afraid of flying the Q400 due to gear failures. Personally, I am more concerned driving to the airport than for expe
54 Scooter01: I thought this thread was about the Q-400, not grammar. Here's a story about an accident that led to an incident: Some years ago, in the late 80's, my
55 KBFIspotter: All 33 of the Q400s are back in normal service, with a couple out of service for other mx issues. By Monday the QX schedule she be back at full stren
56 TuRbUleNc3: Is this new nosegear failure having any effect once more on the Q400's? I.e grounding again?
57 KBFIspotter: All of us at the QX SEA maintenace station have our fingers crossed about that. I was the first to bring it up to my coworkers last night. No one the
58 A342: What about a runway incursion where nobody performed "corrective action", but everybody escaped by pure luck? Is that NOT an incident? Maybe I'm just
59 TuRbUleNc3: It would cause further disruption to airlines globally. I hope they dont reground again either. Especially so soon after the last incident.
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