Aclco From Italy, joined Jun 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15605 times:
Airbus confirms on Flight global the switch to A380's style nose for A350XWB and other design specs like AlLi nose section, A380 nose landing gear bay, six windows cockpit glazing, metallic frame crossbeams and composite main frame.
Aircraft concept will be frozen in October 2008, I think there's a lot of room for other significant changes looking to what happened in the recent past..
6YJJK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15538 times:
"Concept freeze" - I take it that's not the same as "design freeze"?
Without wanting to open up a whole can of of worms, and ignoring all the previous iterations... does it usually take over a year to nail down the basic concept? Not trying to troll here - just looking for a general indication of how long it usually takes.
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 15439 times:
Quoting Aclco (Thread starter): Airbus confirms on Flight global the switch to A380's style nose for A350XWB and other design specs like AlLi nose section, A380 nose landing gear bay, six windows cockpit glazing, metallic frame crossbeams and composite main frame.
What a disappointment. I was hoping tha Airbus would have managed to come up with something better.
Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 5): I prefer the original XWB nose but it doesn't look that bad.
That photo actually does not look that bad. Hopefully Airbus will tweak it up a little.
FAEDC3 From Ecuador, joined Jun 2007, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15215 times:
Quoting N328KF (Reply 4): So Airbus has taken A350 XWB's design cues from an aircraft that looks like it has an extra 21st chromosome?
Is this really the most aerodynamic approach for a smaller airframe?
The article says that they dropped the original concept nose for this one as it performs better aerodynamically. I would think that Airbus´ engineers had chosen performance and discarded looks... I don´t love it either, but well, I still have the hope that the final design differs in some way from the Flightglobal´s concept drawing
Jtdieffen From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15194 times:
Does this mean that Boeing supporters get to make jokes at Airbus's expense now regarding the dropping of the sleek look in favor of more traditional shapings, like many A supporters still do regarding the 787s transition from shark to (mostly) regular old jetliner?
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21890 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 14861 times:
Quoting Keesje (Reply 14): this could help speeding up cockpit design, reducing costs..
cockpit commonality could be a XWB selling point for A380 operators..
Or, it might be a selling point for A350 operators to buy that A380 in the future.
The 767 and 777 shared the same nose section to speed up cockpit design and reduce costs. It's been done before.
I'm glad to see Airbus doing what is right for them, rather than just copying the 787 in every way, which it looked like they were doing. Boeing went to 4 windows instead of six, and Airbus copied, but I'm not convinced there is any great reason to only have 4 windows, and always wondered why Airbus just decided "me too" on that one. Not to mention the shape of the nose, which was a stylistic choice by Boeing that they had to "make work" in the wind tunnel. Why copy that?
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
AutoThrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1655 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14845 times:
Daammn! Terrible news. This looks so horrible. What a dissapointment. The other nose was so beatiful.
Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 8): Very relieving to think that this probably ain't the last design iteration of the nose.
I hope you are right.
He adds that strength requirements for birdstrike protection were partly behind the decision to adopt a metallic nose structure. "If we went for a composite structure we'd have to reinforce the area above the cockpit with titanium which is expensive,
So? How did it Boeing ? I'am i right or i'am right, this ugly Al nose will add more maintenance work(corrosion) then a CFRP nose?
Airbus is still not back, they are to conservative to less innovative, then they were 20 years ago.
Glidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 42
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14591 times:
What a shame to see an AC enter service in 2013, which has a nose like AC's had already 50 years ago!
I really hope AIRBUS comes up with a good compromise between something more modern and good aerodynamic figures at the end.