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US Airways Unveils New 767 Envoy Seats  
User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14360 times:

They look pretty cool. Certainly an improvement over what we have now!

http://www.usairways.com/envoy

Anyone know if they changed out the interiors of the ETOPS 757's from ATA? Wondering what the Envoy seats on those are like.

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User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14347 times:

Three different seats on three different fleets.

Sounds like a winner to me.


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14304 times:

Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 1):
Three different seats on three different fleets.

Sounds like a winner to me.

Be positive dude. They are getting the 767s up to speed. Isn't that what everybody wanted? So what's the problem now? I am sure sooner or later their transatlantic 757s will get updated.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14235 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 2):
They are getting the 767s up to speed.

LOL, not compared to their competition.



User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14174 times:

Quoting Flyboyaz (Thread starter):
Anyone know if they changed out the interiors of the ETOPS 757's from ATA? Wondering what the Envoy seats on those are like.

They took out rows 6 and 7 of Envoy on the A330's and put those seats in the transatlantic 757's...3 rows of Envoy in the 757's...



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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14174 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 3):
LOL, not compared to their competition.



Quoting Flyboyaz (Thread starter):
Certainly an improvement over what we have now!


User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14148 times:

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 4):
They took out rows 6 and 7 of Envoy on the A330's and put those seats in the transatlantic 757's...3 rows of Envoy in the 757's...

Oh ok....didn't know that....and the coach seats look like the new 767 seats. Cool....

Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 1):
Three different seats on three different fleets.

Sounds like a winner to me.

Looks like 2 different seats in 3 fleet types!


User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2442 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14135 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 2):
Be positive dude

That's a concept foreign to most people on here. Gotta be negative about each and every thing...

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 3):
LOL, not compared to their competition.

And who's seats are those ?



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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 14063 times:

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 7):

And who's seats are those ?

Looks like United's new biz seats...

http://www.suitedreams.united.com/



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13994 times:

This seat is good, looks simpler and a true LCC idea. US wants to pack as much as they can in the plane rather than all these new flashy seats that other airlines offer.


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User currently offlineFlyMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13962 times:

I guess it is an improvement, but overall, that is a pretty pathetic "new" premium class seat. I hope their bz. class flights are cheaper.


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User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13852 times:

Another joke from the sandcastle... when will they learn!


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User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13810 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 2):

Be positive dude. They are getting the 767s up to speed. Isn't that what everybody wanted? So what's the problem now? I am sure sooner or later their transatlantic 757s will get updated.

LMAO. Have you ever flown US out of PHL?


User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13791 times:

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 11):
Another joke from the sandcastle... when will they learn

Please enlighten us Mr. armchair CEO exactly how you can fix the J class to be to your liking while not pissing off your US East pilots trying to come to an agreement on a contract, as welll as paying for all the new A320s, 321s and 330/350's on order.


User currently offlineUnitedFirst From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 478 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13728 times:

Are those IFE devices removable? They don't look like they're built into the seat.

Smart idea (armrest IFE holder) – but poor design (ugly).


User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13696 times:

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 13):

Please enlighten us Mr. armchair CEO exactly how you can fix the J class to be to your liking while not pissing off your US East pilots trying to come to an agreement on a contract, as welll as paying for all the new A320s, 321s and 330/350's on order.

My liking? Shouldn't you be worrying about the elite pax who are supposed to pay for this joke of a "product?" Oh wait, they've already left en masse for CO/DL/AA. How is this new "product" competitive? Do you really think it's good enough for someone to say to themselves "yes, I'd love to fly US and transit through PHL on my way to Europe." I'd wager most people would rather fly TATL in economy on a major INTL airline than with US (J or Y) any day.



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4746 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13680 times:

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 13):
Please enlighten us Mr. armchair CEO exactly how you can fix the J class to be to your liking while not pissing off your US East pilots trying to come to an agreement on a contract, as welll as paying for all the new A320s, 321s and 330/350's on order.

Too little too late. A good number of US's elites have already status matched to AA, DL and CO.

Yet the sandcastle continues to play....wasn't there a work-stop of some sort today?



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User currently offlineG4resagent From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13659 times:

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 15):
Oh wait, they've already left en masse for CO/DL/AA

And fly DL and connect through ATL? I don't think so...


User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13626 times:

Quoting G4resagent (Reply 17):
Oh wait, they've already left en masse for CO/DL/AA

And fly DL and connect through ATL? I don't think so...

I gotta say, I'd take ATL over PHL any day of the year.

Anyway, considering I've always found US's envoy prices cheaper than other premium products for transatlantic travel, this new seat is pretty darn good for the money.



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User currently offlineJlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13615 times:
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The new Envoy seats seem adequate. Remember that this is a L.C.C. Product, and with that in mind, they are OK. For me its all about the price. How dose it compare to the non-L.C.C. carrier. If it is significantly cheaper they may have a hit on their hands. If the prices are comparable. Then BANG THEIR DEAD!


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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4746 posts, RR: 45
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13615 times:

Quoting G4resagent (Reply 17):
And fly DL and connect through ATL? I don't think so...

Hate to tell you, but there is a decent portion that have moved from US to DL.

In fact, most airlines have picked up elite members recently as a result of a mass exodus from US.

Hard to admit it isn't it...



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User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13571 times:

Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 19):
The new Envoy seats seem adequate. Remember that this is a L.C.C. Product, and with that in mind, they are OK. For me its all about the price. How dose it compare to the non-L.C.C. carrier. If it is significantly cheaper they may have a hit on their hands. If the prices are comparable. Then BANG THEIR DEAD!

US is far from an LCC. True, its their ticker symbol and they have bare bones inflight service, but their pricing structure and business model are far from being competitive with other LCCs.


User currently offlineFlyMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 13487 times:

Quoting Sxf24 (Reply 21):
US is far from an LCC. True, its their ticker symbol and they have bare bones inflight service, but their pricing structure and business model are far from being competitive with other LCCs.

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Agreed. Everytime I check US flights they are no cheaper (and more often more expensive) than the other "legacy" carriers.



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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13470 times:

Quoting FlyMD (Reply 22):
Agreed. Everytime I check US flights they are no cheaper (and more often more expensive) than the other "legacy" carriers.

It's not always about price....WN charges the same as other legacy carriers too...low cost carrier refers to the cost of running the airline.


User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 13460 times:

Quoting Flyboyaz (Reply 23):
It's not always about price....WN charges the same as other legacy carriers too...low cost carrier refers to the cost of running the airline.

Oh, you mean not being more efficient but simply paying employees less?


25 Whappeh : Seats look so-so. To be honest, I'm sort of underwhelmed, and this is coming from someone who usually thinks US Airways can do no wrong. I'll have to
26 Post contains images Sean-SAN- : Anyone hear the rumor that they're getting these seats second hand from CX as they remodel their international fleet? Just kidding... Welcome US Airwa
27 HB88 : They're similar but look quite a bit smaller than Oasis (Hong Kong LCC) business class seats. In any case, from the rest-of-the-world point of view,
28 Aloha73G : To me they look almost exactly like the new AA seats.....which we all know did not seem to go over well. Its still lacking compared to CO, UA and DL.
29 Post contains images Reggaebird : Regardless of the fact that USAirways is, in theory, a low cost carrier, their product still needs to be competitive with their peers in markets that
30 OA260 : Seats look nice but the PTV looks quite small compared to other carriers. Big improvement on the current dirty old Envoy seats though.
31 Asuflyer05 : Looks similar to the NW World Business class seat. It just has slightly less recline, though it has about 4 degrees more than the CO BusinessFirst sea
32 Mark8762 : As far as I know, just another rumor that had no merit. Everything at LAS ran smooth, until the rain and lightening moved in in the evening.
33 Kiwiandrew : at least they are honest enough to call them "near lie-flat" unlike many other airlines with sloping beds
34 Coal : I was going to say it looks like crap, but then I saw they become flat beds (albeit not 180 degrees, but quite a la SQ's Spacebeds) and they also have
35 Halls120 : Agree 100%. PHL is the one airport I avoid at all costs. While the new seats might be a improvement over the current offering, they don't come close
36 JGPH1A : Will these be 5 or 6 abreast in the 767 ? If it's 6 then I'll give it a miss, thanks. Altogether a step forward, but they're still two jumps behind ev
37 Stitch : It's an improvement, but with UA and DL both going to true lie-flat and not the "angled-flat" that CO, NW, and AA have, US is putting themselves in th
38 NEMA : And they look it too, especially when you compare alongside your posted pics.
39 Flyboyaz : WN has their own set of problems now, because they are the highest paying airline in the country. Not so efficient anymore or they wouldn't be offeri
40 JGPH1A : Is it the airline's intent to be worse ? If every other carrier is improving their onboard product to compete with international carriers, shouldn't
41 Adam T. : Oh wow, when and on what aircraft will DL be unveiling these seats? T
42 Captaink : I used to work for US, few years ago. What do you think. [checkmark} Do you know how LCCs work? the emphasis is more on the cheaper walk up fares. If
43 WesternA318 : But there are still quite a number left...As much as i love flying on CO, I wont hesitate to use US either....
44 Spoke2Spoke : Are you sure this is a fact? I've heard that though this summer was a challenging one operationally, bookings remain strong, especially among US freq
45 Post contains links FlyMD : Not exactly. Legacies charge the same as WN, a bit of a difference. This is why fares generally come down when WN enters a market. Question right bac
46 Captaink : I never said that. I said emphasis is put on that. I should have added especially in markets with competition. Come on don't put words in my mouth. D
47 PHXmd80 : There was going to be. Pilots were going to call in sick, but Upper management in Tempe said they had to have doctors notes. Nothing really happened
48 Molykote : Clearly this doesn't appear to be a product on par with the top tier of business class options. However, this product does appear to be "adequate" for
49 Sxf24 : CO offers the same seat, with the same features in slightly different widths and reclines. US offers 3 completely different seats that could be from
50 Asuflyer05 : The US bashing on here is getting old. The criticism is not constructive or accurate. You guys need to stop hanging out on USaviation. CO has had grea
51 Pfletch1228 : Well "unveiling" would imply that this is a whole new seat and concept being unveiled to the public for the very first time. NOT SO. This is exactly
52 Post contains images Captaink : Come on, you can't seriously tell me that LCC don't promote the fact they offer low fares. Ok lets change the name, US wants to become a Low Fare Air
53 OA260 : There is alot of US bashing on here but to be honest the product that they offer on Transatlantic that I personally experienced PHL-LGW was terrible.
54 Post contains links Vega : This is an INTERIM 2-3 year solution. The NEW 332s start arriving in 2009 and will replace the 767s on a phased basis. Why should US spend top $ for s
55 N710PS : I think that there are too many people on this site with too much time on your hands. Let the prorfessionals in aviation be the professionals in aviat
56 Flybynight : Huh? So if the competition has better seats, they are "flashy". Interesting philosophy you have.
57 Post contains links and images Amirs : Those seats are probaly made by Secma .... they look like the new seats LY has in Business class (though LY goes to 170 degress) its also the same sea
58 Post contains links and images Reggaebird : You are absolutely right Pfletch1228. The Delta seat is the same as the Air Canada seat, which is, in turn, an update of the Virgin Atlantic "Upper C
59 Pizzaandplanes : Still not in line with the competition. Someone please wake them up.
60 Post contains links 787KQ : Delta's press releases are very ambiguous about whether there will be TRUE lie-flat seats on the longhaul fleet. "Delta also has plans to introduce F
61 Reggaebird : I don't see what's ambiguous about their statement about 2008 and onward: Delta to introduce fully-horizontal personal sleeper suite in early 2008, g
62 TUNisia : How about the fact that the new 767 configs go from 24 seats up front down to 18 (25% drop). No elite / high roller in their right mind would pay for
63 OB1504 : Additionally, the additional weight of business class seats that nearly every other airline is introducing right now may further diminish that limite
64 N77014 : While I agree that aspects of CO's BusinessFirst product are getting stale, the entire aspect of service certainly warranted the accolades earned...i
65 AznCSA4QF744ER : First? I think not! UA Biz is rolling out on 29th Oct starting with UA 952.
66 Asuflyer05 : Why would elites care how many seats are in the F cabin? US doesn't upgrade elites on TATL flights. The only way I see it being an issue is if Envoy
67 Halls120 : The OP said DL as the first to "announce" lie-flat seats, not the first to deploy them.
68 N77014 : Less available seats in J means another opportunity for a competitor to take the business. Because with Open Skies looming, there WILL be competition
69 Captaink : But isn't US trying to differenciate itself from carriers such as BA, AA etc? Isn't US trying to convert itself into a Low Fare/Full Service airline.
70 Asuflyer05 : Or generating a profit. I agree they've turned away some Elite flyers, but I think they are beginning to make new ones.
71 N77014 : Differentiate in the sense that they offer something special/distinct from what the other carriers are offering? If so, you only need to peruse flyer
72 Alitalia744 : Vega - if you can't take heat, don't sit next to the fire. People should be able to blindly criticize US Airways just as you did with certain airline
73 Itsnotfinals : The Tempe group had nothing to do with runnig US into the ground. Gangwal and Wolf did, and to suggest that US was a great airline prior to the merge
74 Captaink : When was that? How was US a better airline before? Are forgetting the financial problems? US was in as bad a shape as airlines could get. I work for
75 Flighty : You blame is _entirely_ misplaced. Any real US fan should be delighted that Tempe took up the mantle of US Airways and made it survive. And survive i
76 Reggaebird : They said first to "announce" not "deploy".
77 Post contains images Captaink : Well said mate, welcome to my Respected List.
78 Pellegrine : So this product will bring the US 767s biz class on par with the A330s. US doesn't really compete with anyone on product or service, they compete on p
79 Whappeh : The 757 already has an upgraded Envoy style seat.
80 PSA727 : For those that think that US is trying to compete with BA or LH, they're not. The first class domestic cabins on US have more room than a BA or LH int
81 Pellegrine : My mistake, I only fly US domestic!
82 Whappeh : Its fine, as I don't think anyone's seen what they look like. I've yet to see a photo or be on one of the ETOPS 757s since the installation of the ne
83 Alitalia744 : Let's be realistic. Very true. Res Migration has been/still is a nightmare - not to mention their workforce. I wish you guys the best.
84 Halls120 : well, if they are trying to compete with CO, DL, and UA, they are failing at that level. Just who ARE they competing with?
85 Itsnotfinals : US J class on the A333 is pretty much in line with CO, DL , AA, UA and NW. The 762 upgrades will just allow for consistency. None of the US airlines'
86 Halls120 : You must have some pretty thick rose colored glasses on if you think the new US envoy seats are anything close to the new product that UA and DL are
87 Post contains images Itsnotfinals : you are welcome to your opinion, I have flown J internationally on AA CO DL and US there is very little difference when compared to LH and SQ and BA
88 Captaink : For now noone. They are trying to get their foot firmly planted on the ground. Maybe they are trying to capture a niche market. It is not as if their
89 787KQ : it is clear that the 777 Long range product is fully horizontal. There will be a lie flat option on the 767. Lie flats include both fully flats and s
90 Daron4000 : Unfortunately, for those who can actually afford to pay premium fares, they do choose based on service and quality and that is why BA and VS are so s
91 N710PS : And just where do you get this from? I find the US east mainline people to be some of the finest in the business unless you are dealing with Express
92 787KQ : Correct Daron. Of course everyone does. They just keep it simple and fly BA or the other market leaders. This is exactly why I believe UA is doing th
93 Itsnotfinals : Many lay flat sleeper seats I have experienced are very uncomfortable, it's nice you're a consultant but that doesn't mean you can know every travell
94 Jcavinato : You bet on the exiting the market. I was Chairman's Preferred for all the years that had it up until 2003. I got miffed at some service things that I
95 FlyTUITravel : He said Delta were there first to announce they would introduce lie-flat seats in J, not they would introduce them first - that of course will be Uni
96 Jcavinato : You bet on the exiting the market. I was Chairman's Preferred for all the years that had it up until 2003. I got mad at some service things so I wrote
97 Itsnotfinals : it's very cyclical. That US management team was the reason US went into BK among other things. I was Chairman's preferred on US and they went way dow
98 Sydscott : Not really. I flew on the Emirates A340-500 Dubai - Sydney in Business a couple of months ago. I can say for both my friend who was travelling with m
99 Itsnotfinals : My point was that the J seats on US carriers are all so similar there is very little difference. F is a different story but only UA First and AA flags
100 Post contains links and images 787KQ : I don't need to know every indiviual's preference, just the majority's. As a seat consultant, I suggest a fully-flat seat for you, which surveys show
101 Itsnotfinals : CO "flat seat" was VERY uncomfortable, I will take DL or AA's old J seat over CO's flat seat any day. Even LH's flat seat is very difficult to get com
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