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767-400, How Many Built?  
User currently onlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2900 posts, RR: 9
Posted (7 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7197 times:
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how many 767-400's were built.

was on CO today on one to GIG and its such a beauty. why have airlines lost intrest in this model?


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7173 times:

38 ordered, 37 delivered. And one has been ordered by the US government, but not built...

CO has 16. DL has 21.

I love the plane personally. Too bad it didn't perform well enough for other carriers to buy it...



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7170 times:

38 in total.

See this thread the last reply.  Smile

RE: Who Has The Most 767s? (by OHLHD Jan 20 2007 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7127 times:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 2):
38 in total.

37 in total BUILT...



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7110 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
37 in total BUILT...

http://www.airfleets.net/listing/b767-16.htm

http://www.airfleets.net/listing/b767-17.htm

I just counted them together and I see 22 listed as active with DL. Is this site not accurate?


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7110 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
37 in total BUILT...

Calm down, his reply was only 45ish seconds after yours. You were typing at the same time.


User currently offlineJlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7089 times:

Hypothetically, I know that the 767 line is still "open", but are all models available to be built if ordered, or are there only some models available?


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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3082 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 days ago) and read 7062 times:

CH shows 21 at DL, N825MH through N845MH


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User currently offlineRwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2353 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 days ago) and read 7017 times:
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Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 6):
Hypothetically, I know that the 767 line is still "open", but are all models available to be built if ordered, or are there only some models available?

The 767-200ER, -300ER, 300F and 400ER are listed as available. The -200 and -300 are not.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25372 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 days ago) and read 6996 times:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 4):
I just counted them together and I see 22 listed as active with DL. Is this site not accurate?

I've often found that sites like AirFleets are out of date or incomplete. Why not go straight to the source? Boeing's orders/deliveries data on their website confirms 37 767-400ERs delivered, 21 for DL and 16 for CO. The most recent delivery was May 31, 2002 to CO.

Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 6):
Hypothetically, I know that the 767 line is still "open", but are all models available to be built if ordered, or are there only some models available?

According to Boeing, the -200ER, -300ER, -400ER and Freighter (based on the -300ER) are all still available.


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 days ago) and read 6965 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
I've often found that sites like AirFleets are out of date or incomplete. Why not go straight to the source? Boeing's orders/deliveries data on their website confirms 37 767-400ERs delivered, 21 for DL and 16 for CO. The most recent delivery was May 31, 2002 to CO.

Thanks.  Smile

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
37 in total BUILT...

Chill. Big grin

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 5):
Calm down, his reply was only 45ish seconds after yours. You were typing at the same time.

 highfive 


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 days ago) and read 6941 times:

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 5):
Calm down, his reply was only 45ish seconds after yours. You were typing at the same time.

But it was wrong. Unless he knows more than Boeing...  Wink



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 days ago) and read 6938 times:

The Boeing 767-400ER is my favorite current generation jetliner and its a shame it did not catch on, I miss flying the beauty with DL.


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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 days ago) and read 6923 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 11):
But it was wrong. Unless he knows more than Boeing...

Don´t worry I don't.  Smile I must accept my faith. Big grin

I did not read it as an offense.


User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2015 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6853 times:

Quoting VC10er (Thread starter):
how many 767-400's were built.

was on CO today on one to GIG and its such a beauty. why have airlines lost intrest in this model?

I love the 764, too. My favorite airplane of all time, along with the DHC-8-Q400. Fortunately, I've flown on the 764 many many times.



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User currently onlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2900 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6843 times:
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what is the reason for airlines with large fleets of 767 not ordering them? are they not fuel friendly? how do they compare with a a330's?


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6756 times:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 14):
I did not read it as an offense.

I didn't think you did, as I did not mean it as such. I was only clarifying that there were 38 ordered, but only 37 delivered, with the 1 undelivered airliner a "UFO" which has always been rumored to be some sort of US military order...

Quoting VC10er (Reply 16):
what is the reason for airlines with large fleets of 767 not ordering them? are they not fuel friendly? how do they compare with a a330's?

They are actually very fuel friendly. But they are range limited for their size. Originally, Boeing had tried to sell it with longer range but Boeing failed to deliver that design later in the offering period. To a certain degree, you might blame DL who wanted the 764 as a domestic bird, and didn't want to carry around the extra weight or wingspan of a longer range model. And now they are using them internationally and would probably like them to have better range! Be careful what you ask for...

The 772A, with a similar capacity (about 15% larger) and similar range, also didn't sell particularly well. Airlines generally wanted a more capable plane like the 772ER or the A332, both with longer ranges and LD3 ability. Further, Boeing spent a lot of time selling 777s to 767 customers, so to then turn around and say "hey, take the 764 as well, sure it doesn't quite make sense with your large fleets of 772s and 763s, but..." Doesn't make a lot of sense, right?

DL didn't have a fleet of 777s, and CO didn't have a fleet of 763s, but both had L1011/DC10s to replace, so for these two carriers, the plane made sense. DL for domestic use, and CO for Pacific use (at first).

But for BA, AA, JL, NH, etc., it was just a model wedged between the 763ER and 772A/ER, and less capable than both of them!



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2930 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6720 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
I didn't think you did, as I did not mean it as such. I was only clarifying that there were 38 ordered, but only 37 delivered, with the 1 undelivered airliner a "UFO" which has always been rumored to be some sort of US military order...

It was intended to be the E-10A testbed/prototype, kinda like a E-3/E-8 hybrid. I thought that construction had started on it, as the funding had passed for the airframe, though not the project itself.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25372 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6699 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
They are actually very fuel friendly. But they are range limited for their size. Originally, Boeing had tried to sell it with longer range but Boeing failed to deliver that design later in the offering period.

If memory correct, Kenya Airways had ordered a few 764s (not sure if it was officially considered an order or perhaps only a letter of intent etc.) but had 2nd thoughts and switched to the 777-200ER. They now operate 4 of those.


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6635 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 17):
I didn't think you did,

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User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6597 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 18):

It was intended to be the E-10A testbed/prototype, kinda like a E-3/E-8 hybrid. I thought that construction had started on it, as the funding had passed for the airframe, though not the project itself.

Is that the one that has been sitting on the Boeing Flight Line for a while?



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User currently offlineDa man From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6592 times:

Quoting Bok269 (Reply 21):
Is that the one that has been sitting on the Boeing Flight Line for a while?

No, that one was for the abortive tanker leasing program. I have no idea what will happen to it?



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User currently offlineScorpy From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6549 times:

Quoting Rwessel (Reply 8):
. The -200 and -300 are not.

But if somebody really really wanted one.. since the 767 line is open.. would they build it?


User currently offlineRwessel From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2353 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6520 times:
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Quoting Scorpy (Reply 23):
But if somebody really really wanted one.. since the 767 line is open.. would they build it?

If you offered them enough money, sure. But that amount of money would probably buy you a whole fleet of ERs. Now if you wanted a hundred, I'd say probably, but what would be the justification? There is going to be a very small range of missions that a 200/300 can fly more efficiently than a 200ER/300ER.


User currently offlineTropicBird From United States of America, joined May 2005, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6162 times:

Can anyone confirm if the USAF will take delivery of the 767-400 they ordered for the canceled E-10A program? That aircraft was scheduled for delivery late this year.

25 Spacepope : I've heard that it is slated for scrapping.
26 OB1504 : The 764 was essentially "custom-made" for CO and DL, designed to replace DC-10s and L-1011s on high-density domestic routes. She performs great at he
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