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Why Airlines Need To Ban Alcohol For Exit-Row Pax  
User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3717 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7453 times:

A while back, my mom took a flight on NW. She sat in the exit row, and the people sitting next to her were intoxicated. Yet the flight attendant kept serving little airline-size bottles of vodka to them. But what if that whole A319 full of passengers had to evacuate? The intoxicated passengers would probably be blocking the way, unable to open the exit row door.

Based on that experience, I think that airlines need to stop serving alcohol to exit-row passengers. But would there be any drawbacks to such a proposal?


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21472 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7436 times:

Quoting FWAERJ (Thread starter):
Based on that experience, I think that airlines need to stop serving alcohol to exit-row passengers. But would there be any drawbacks to such a proposal?

F/As are supposed to stop serving alcohol to people they think are intoxicated no matter what row. That was irresponsible of the F/As if the people were truly and clearly intoxicated.



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User currently offlineGeorgebush From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 679 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7436 times:

I think an emergency evacuation would be a buzz-killing event if you ask me.

I think its an interesting proposal though. Perhaps limit them to one or two drinks? I would def. make the e-exit seats not so highly sought after and more appealing to those who choose not to drink.



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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7427 times:

The trouble is, a drunk is a drunk, even if she's going down.

I think this would be a very interesting FAA regulation.

-A



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User currently offlineGeorgebush From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 679 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 7427 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
F/As are supposed to stop serving alcohol to people they think are intoxicated no matter what row.

Sometimes its harder to do that than you might think. If someone is drunk and asking for more, you have no idea how that person will react if you deny them...

Its sometimes easier to just pour them another one, and let the ground staff deal with it when you land.



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User currently offlineSiege2L From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week ago) and read 7391 times:

I believe it is better to be slightly buzzed after impact. If you are completely sober, your body will feel all the pain associated with that trauma, making it harder for you to quickly expedite the deplaning process. If you are buzzed, you feel little pain, open the exit door, evacuate, and then your body can play victim all it wants AFTER everyone has left the aircraft. I can't tell you how many times I have gone to a bar where someone who has been drinking has fallen on the dance floor or off of a stage and quickly gets up. ( I once fell off a treadmill after only 1 cocktail, but I was in no pain, and I left the gym VERY QUICKLY out of sheer embarrassment. )

But no more than 1 drink per 45mins - hour might suffice, I think.



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User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6202 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week ago) and read 7362 times:

You forget the way the FAA works. Somebody has to die first, and then the safety regulations will follow....  tombstone 


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User currently offlineRushed From Australia, joined May 2000, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week ago) and read 7339 times:

I think that this, based on one experience is a little bit of overkill.. regardless of where someone is sitting, if the plane goes down then it goes down... i'd prefer the drunks to be right near the door as they are probably safer there.. just push em out and go.. if they need to stumble down an isle drunk it might be even more dangerous.. but seriously.. i dont think that a few drunks are going to make the slightest difference in an emergency.. they might even be helpful as Siege2L says,... boozed up people dont feel the pain as much and can do some stuff that, if sober they probably wouldnt be able to do.. so yeah.. keep the booze up.. maybe just put a packed of paracetamol under the seat with the life jacket for the unfortunate hangover you get after drinking at 30,000 feet.


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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week ago) and read 7281 times:

I don't think this would work...

If you're on a flight where you are put in the exit row by default, and want a drink, why should you have to suffer?

There will be the potential that no-one wants to swap with you so you can't drink on your flight.

You only need one counterexample to scupper an idea.

We'd then have aisle, window, middle, and alcohol seats.

Would you want to check in for a flight and be asked:

"What seat would you like Sir"

"I'd like an alcohol seat please"

"I'm afraid there are no alcohol seats left on this service. Only exit's left. Window or aisle, sir?"


User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3632 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7243 times:
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The answer is simple. In an emergency situation, the intoxicated pax will be moved out of those seats and replaced by qualified, able bodied pax. Not only do the F/A's will make sure that exit row pax are qualified and willing to help at the begining of the flight, but will also reconfirm with the pax when an emergency situation occurs. If the pax changes his/her mind or the F/A determins that the pax is unable to help, then they will change the pax in the exit row.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21472 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7220 times:

Studies have shown that when you are very tired, you have reflexes and alertness no better than a drunk.

Studies have also shown that when you first awake, same thing, and it can go on for over an HOUR after waking.

Thus, exit row pax should be both forbidden from sleeping, and be forced to sleep for 8 hours before the flight, then be awake for one full hour, then not have more than one drink, and then swap seats with someone else on a longhaul about halfway through who was forced for the first 1/2, then wake up for an hour.

No, wait, that would be unworkable. Because we live in the real world.

The obvious answer is to eliminate exit row seating, something that seems to be the trend on widebodies. We'll see if the 737RS and A320NG also find a way to eliminate the overwing exit...



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User currently offline86J From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 7171 times:

Well, now that things have gotten to this..... Why not just have a pre-board screening of IQ's? Stupid people need not apply for exit rows. All you have to do to sit in one of these rows is to audibly say "yes" when asked if you understand the situation of sitting there. Even really stupid people can do this. Perhaps when we all get our national ID's and security cards and the government knows completely everything about everyone's personal and professional lives, they will probably have a way to make sure "infidels" don't get to sit in an exit row. Good luck with this one. Meanwhile bonafied terrorists manage to get on commercial aircraft because we are all worried about the guy/lady that has been sitting in an airport bar in La Guardia for five hours waiting for his/her delayed plane because airlines book too many flights at the same time to the same airport in the same 45 to 50 seat jets. (Ok, that rambled a bit, but it is pretty much true!)

Quoting Rushed (Reply 7):
i dont think that a few drunks are going to make the slightest difference in an emergency

Quite right, if you ask me. Not trying to defend anyone here, but, please..... Kind of like surviving a water landing in the middle of the Atlantic. You are facing some pretty incredible odds, whether there is a drunk in the way or not. More than likely they would hold you up by trying to tell you some stupid story about "I used to be," "and I used to be so good at,"...."and when I was there for that time"...."and if things had gone different that one time."......... Don't forget the high school sports parts, either. The only thing worse would be if you were actually sitting next to a high school football coach, or they were the same person-the ultimate worst!

Quoting Rushed (Reply 7):
the unfortunate hangover you get after drinking at 30,000 feet.

Bahhh...!!!!
You must have grown up at sea level! Most jets are pressurized to the point where 30,000 feet feels like about 8,000 feet, if I remember correctly. Growing up at 7,000 feet made that pretty much easy for me to get used to having a beer on a plane-as long as someone else is flying it! And if anyone on a plane can get drunk on one beer in 45 minutes of time, then they shouldn't be drinking in the first place! Or they are a really cheap (and sh*tty) date!


User currently offlineGeorgebush From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 679 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7106 times:

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 8):
"What seat would you like Sir"

"I'd like an alcohol seat please"

"I'm afraid there are no alcohol seats left on this service. Only exit's left. Window or aisle, sir?"

OI Glen, lol, do you in all honesty think that this situation would happen? On any given flight only a few people actually drink. Im sure they could find someone that wouldnt mind the extra legroom. I reckon on a long haul flight it would be a different story, but if your crashed in the middle of the ocean at that point i'd rather be drunk! Cheers!



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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7085 times:

Quoting Georgebush (Reply 12):
OI Glen, lol,

You're going to have to stop that.

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21472 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7085 times:

Quoting 86J (Reply 11):
All you have to do to sit in one of these rows is to audibly say "yes" when asked if you understand the situation of sitting there. Even really stupid people can do this.

Actually, stupid people are more likely to say yes when asked a question they don't understand, lest they come across as stupid. I've known many not so smart people who would routinely say yes or agree to a lot of things when you could tell they had no idea what was being asked of them...  Wink



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20362 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7053 times:

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 8):
If you're on a flight where you are put in the exit row by default, and want a drink, why should you have to suffer?

Wait, not having a drink for a few hours is "suffering" now?



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User currently offlineAamr From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7023 times:

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 8):
If you're on a flight where you are put in the exit row by default, and want a drink, why should you have to suffer?

There will be the potential that no-one wants to swap with you so you can't drink on your flight.

If you alert an agent that you are not comfortable with the exit row responsibilities, you WILL be reseated.


User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7003 times:

Quoting Jhooper (Reply 6):
Somebody has to die first, and then the safety regulations will follow....

Actually, one death usually does not get any significant response from the FAA. Kill a few (10-20) people a couple of times and that usually gets them motivated.



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User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6985 times:

No. But a two-drink minimum should definitely be imposed upon activities considerably more fraught with risk than flying, such as crossing the street, showering, talking on the telephone, etc.

User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6931 times:

Quoting Georgebush (Reply 4):
Its sometimes easier to just pour them another one, and let the ground staff deal with it when you land.

I'm sure it's also easier to just jump out of the plane in an emergency and not help with the evacuation if an emergency arises, but both of the tasks we have mentioned are part of an FA's job.



My view on this point is that while having a drunk person in the exit row may or may not cause safety issues, having (theoretically) sober people in those seats couldn't hurt.


User currently offline86J From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6824 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
Wait, not having a drink for a few hours is "suffering" now?

Depends on who you have to sit next to......there have been many people on different planes that have made me want to drink as much as possible, and then some.

Quoting 707lvr (Reply 18):
No. But a two-drink minimum should definitely be imposed upon activities considerably more fraught with risk than flying, such as crossing the street, showering, talking on the telephone, etc.

You make it sound like some people can handle drinking and some people can't. Oh wait, you are right.
I didn't know this thread related to being 18 years old.

This seems like just another biased idea. Put some thought into it and, well, I can't think of anything to drastic. (unless you have an actual fix, which I doubt) The Southern Baptist Convention and the Mormons called, and they want their dumb ideas back. (anyone a Mile High Mormon, for what it matters?) Sorry, that was a little much, but....


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6761 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
Wait, not having a drink for a few hours is "suffering" now?

Wrong choice of words. My mistake.

Quoting Aamr (Reply 16):
If you alert an agent that you are not comfortable with the exit row responsibilities, you WILL be reseated.

Sure. If you want to change so you can drink though.. same answer? I'm not sure.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6699 times:

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 8):
If you're on a flight where you are put in the exit row by default, and want a drink, why should you have to suffer?

I can't imagine someone with and exit row seat who didn't want it not being able to find someone to switch seats with. In the States, FAs are already required to ask several questions of those sitting in exit rows and must move them if they answer No to any question. Adding "Are you willing to refrain from drinking alcohol during the flight?" would not pose any sort of problem.

I would happily give my business to an airline that didn't serve any alcohol onboard at all. Do I sometimes have a glass of wine onboard with dinner? Yes, but I always wish I hadn't.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7688 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6661 times:
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Quoting Georgebush (Reply 4):

Its sometimes easier to just pour them another one, and let the ground staff deal with it when you land.

Doubtless it is, but then that 'easy option' is highly irresponsible. I'm sick and tired of dealing with people who have clearly been served far too much alcohol on aircraft. If you're not prepared to say 'no more' to someone as part of your job, then you're just not doing your job properly. There are easy and hard parts of every job - you just have to deal with it. The same goes for people who board people who are drunk even before they fly.



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User currently offlineGeorgebush From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 679 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6644 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 23):
Doubtless it is, but then that 'easy option' is highly irresponsible. I'm sick and tired of dealing with people who have clearly been served far too much alcohol on aircraft.

Right, but what if you are the F/A if that person is really intoxicated, how do you know what they will do if you refuse them?? That could possibly be a very dangerous situation if you ask me.



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25 RussianJet : You don't, and it is potentially dangerous, and not a little scary. However, those are the rules, and the consequences of getting them even more drun
26 Zvezda : In life, the easy option and the right option are rarely the same. That passenger was either intoxicated during boarding in which case the FAs should
27 Bennett123 : Perhaps drinks should be reduced before they get drunk. As for exit seats, perhaps realisation of what this entails would induce them to stay sober. D
28 Srbmod : While we're at it, let's just ban alcohol from all of the restaurants and airline clubs in airports as well...... While I can understand what the OP i
29 ConcordeBoy : ...could just leave it there. "suffer"? If you can't make it through a few hours of flight without consuming alcohol, then you've got farrrrr bigger
30 PHKLM : Well you don't have to wait that long, seen the fact the A321 doesn't have over-wing exits. The Boeing 737-900ER does have overwing exits, but Boeing
31 Doug_Or : How does BAC% affect the gag reflex. regds MEL
32 DLPMMM : OOOH, that's just plain funny! I think Mommy should just mind her own business, instead of playing Taliban.
33 86J : Lots and lots of money being lost, that would be the downside. Imagine all of the tax $ lost as well as other revenue lost by people not making this
34 Post contains images Swiftski : READ READ READ I already said 8 replies earleir that "suffer" was the wrong choice of words, and that I'd made a mistake.
35 TwinOtter : Interesting idea. Should operators of trains and buses allow passengers sitting in the "exit window" row to drink? I would think the same considerati
36 N710PS : no, than shes a pleasing drunk.
37 Sparkingwave : Let's look at this issue from a different angle. Just what are the chances of someone sitting in an exit row getting overly intoxicated? And then what
38 IAirAllie : That is the lazy and dangerous attitude. I'm an FA and it is my job. You have excercise good judgement and not wait too long to cut off. And adding m
39 N31029 : Hi Everyone. I agree. Unfortunately, due to the overall impressive safety record of commercial aviation, there is a tendency to ignore the reality of
40 ExFATboy : Yes, it is, and perhaps that tells us something? It isn't like there's only ONE passenger per overwing exit. There's at least two, and usually three.
41 Georgebush : Right, but as a bartender we dealing with drunks is how we make a living. We refuse people all the time who are within an inch of thier life because
42 EWRCabincrew : Thankfully not all of us are 50kg. As for alcohol and exit row seating, if we start there, where do we end. What of passengers that drink that sit ne
43 IAirAllie : There are plenty of ways to handle the situation the most preferable being that you follow the law in the first place and not allow intoxicated perso
44 86J : It seems the voice of reason has spoken, no? I would have to agree with you. This whole thing is kind of a stupid subject and rambles into other thin
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