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Are LY A/c Younger Than They Really Are?  
User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2665 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

Are LY a/c younger than they really are? I mean, if LY works roughly 300 days per year (ie 82% of the year), can we say that their a/c are younger than they really are? Does this mean that a 767 that is 23 years old is in reality only 19 year-old?


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17051 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2112 times:

Quoting LY777 (Thread starter):
if LY works roughly 300 days per year

Why 300days. A year is 365days.

Has it something with the religion to do??



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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

They still can leave TLV, say, on a Friday night, and fly over a Saturday. They won't land or depart TLV on Saturdays though. Again, they may leave JFK on a Saturday night and land Sunday morning. So they can operate 7/week.

User currently offlineLY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 857 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

Aircraft age is aircraft age. It's the number of cycles that count. If LY were to sell its aircraft, the new operator would be interested in how many cycles the aircraft had. Maintenance is usually measured this way also, for the exact reason you ask your question. Different airlines have different route frequencies, so calendar-year age is kept out of maintenance and aircraft life. Of couse, calendar year age does have an affect on potential corrosion, etc. that will happen regardless of the number of cycles. If the airplane sits on the ground, it's more likely to have potential corrosion if it's at an airport such as MIA (high humidity, salty air).


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User currently offlineJasonMiller From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 1):
Has it something with the religion to do??

They don't fly on Saturdays.

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 2):
They still can leave TLV, say, on a Friday night, and fly over a Saturday. They won't land or depart TLV on Saturdays though. Again, they may leave JFK on a Saturday night and land Sunday morning. So they can operate 7/week.

They can, but they don't do it.


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

Quoting JasonMiller (Reply 4):
They can, but they don't do it.

Rarely, you're right. The next I could find is this one.


06OCT 06OCT .....6. 2215 (TLV) 0415 (JFK) LY 033 777 0 EL AL


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7361 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1967 times:
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IF they don't fly Saturdays, how come this is showing in the LHR timetable:

19-Sep 25-Sep 1 2 3 4 - 6 7 1 2230 0420+1 LY0318 EQV Non-Stop 04:35 hrs

Most timetables have 1 = Monday through to 7 = Sunday. You'd be hard pressed to find any Friday services though?!


User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Quoting David_itl (Reply 6):
19-Sep 25-Sep 1 2 3 4 - 6 7 1 2230 0420+1 LY0318 EQV Non-Stop 04:35 hrs

Per my post:

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 2):
Again, they may leave JFK on a Saturday night and land Sunday morning.



Quoting Swiftski (Reply 2):
They won't land or depart TLV on Saturdays though.

By the same token:

Quoting David_itl (Reply 6):
You'd be hard pressed to find any Friday services though?!

... because LHR-TLV for example, on 318 is an overnight, so would land Saturday in TLV ... that's a  no 


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24813 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1853 times:

While LY might only operate 6 days per week, the carrier does manage quite good utilization of its fleet.

For instance, from Boeing utilization statistics, El Al managed the following daily averages (365 day year) thru 2006.

B737 - 9.04
B757 - 9.32
B767 - 10.70
B777 - 12.76
B744 - 11.78



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24803 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days ago) and read 1781 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 8):
While LY might only operate 6 days per week, the carrier does manage quite good utilization of its fleet.

One factor that increases utilization is LY's inability to overfly Arab countries on TLV-Asia routes which means much longer routings. I believe their TLV-BKK flights fly down the Red Sea and then make a left turn over the Indian Ocean, resulting in a flight time of almost 11 hours, 2 hours longer than RJ's AMM-BKK nonstops. TLV and AMM are 59 nm apart.


User currently offlineJasonMiller From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1745 times:

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 5):
Rarely, you're right. The next I could find is this one.


06OCT 06OCT .....6. 2215 (TLV) 0415 (JFK) LY 033 777 0 EL AL



Quoting David_itl (Reply 6):
IF they don't fly Saturdays, how come this is showing in the LHR timetable:

19-Sep 25-Sep 1 2 3 4 - 6 7 1 2230 0420+1 LY0318 EQV Non-Stop 04:35 hrs

Shabbat (The Jewish Saturday) is observed from sundown on Friday until the appearance of three stars in the sky on Saturday night.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbat


User currently offlineTodaReisinger From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 2804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1707 times:

....in any case, El Al's planes look rather "older than they really are"......

For instance, I was always impressed by the 2 737s El Al was operating, I flew on both of them numerous times between GVA and TLV; they looked very old already in the late 1980s, when they were not even 10 years old....

Maybe the management is calculating the age of its fleet in some kabbalistic way and comes to the conclusion that its antiquated 742s and outdated 767s are still the very best option available in the 21st century....and thus the "imminent fleet renewal plan" that never comes.....



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

The 762s have been worked to death, flying quite long routes and for many many years.

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