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AF: How Many 744 PAX Left?  
User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7490 times:

I would like to know how many 744 PAX AF still has in their fleet?
How many have PTVs?


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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7450 times:

I think they have 16, incl the 1 leased from KLM

F-GISA and F-GISB were converted from pax to F.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7442 times:

I may fly to MIA in November, which reg does AF use to send?


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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7442 times:

What routes are the 744 deployed on mostly? I dont think their African destinations get the 744, unfortunatley. How about Cayenne, does that get a 744??

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7420 times:

They send the 744 to ATL, MIA, YUL, Punta Cana, Havana, LAX, PPT and others IIRC. But the 744 is no longer the flagship of the airline (it is the 777)


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User currently offlineSwiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7395 times:

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 1):
I think they have 16, incl the 1 leased from KLM

Their website lists 14, so I am wrong by either 1 or 2, depending on whether they include the KLM bird.

Airbus A330-200 16

Airbus A340-300 19

Boeing 747-400 14

Boeing 777-200ER/-300ER 47


User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1855 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7367 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
I may fly to MIA in November, which reg does AF use to send?

Both times I've flown MIA-CDG, they only had PTVs upstairs.

Don't have the regs.


User currently offlineEIDAA From Ireland, joined Oct 2006, 830 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7316 times:
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Quoting LY777 (Thread starter):
How many have PTVs?

I think only three of the aircraft (not sure which) have PTVs throughout Economy. However, if you can get a seat in the upper deck, apparently all of the 744 fleet have PTVs up there in the 3-3 Economy configuration.

I flew with AF over and back to BOS on 744s in June ( F-GISC / F-GITA ) and was lucky enough to get the upper deck on the way back.

Anyone know when the jumbo will leave the pax fleet completely?

Thanks



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7223 times:

IIRC, they will leave the fleet In 3 years


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User currently offlineLongHaul67 From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7165 times:

F-GITI, F-GITJ, F-GITH are the only ones with PTV in all seats on both decks.

As far as I know they are often deployed on AF's longest routes, like GIG, MEX, LAX, SFO

AF are gradually converting their oldest 744's from pax to cargo. The 744 is being replaced by 773.

I have not seen any info posted so far as to whether they plan to keep some of their pax 744's alongside the 773 for any length of time.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7119 times:

which a/c have Y seats with PTVs on the upper deck?


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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 4513 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7083 times:

I don't think the 747-400 has been used for the LAX route since they assigned the A340 to the Papeete extension last year or perhaps it was even the year before.

IIRC the LAX flights now are exclusively 772/77W except for the couple of times per week that the A340-300 operates AF074 (and continues to Papeete).

Somebody please correct me if I am mistaken.



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User currently offlineMk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7056 times:

DEL in the winter sees a B744, In january, we flew CDG-DEL-CDG on the F-GISA which has now been converted to a freighter, i wonder what reg will DEL see this winter!!!!??!!!


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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7051 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 11):
I don't think the 747-400 has been used for the LAX route since they assigned the A340 to the Papeete extension last year or perhaps it was even the year before.

IIRC the LAX flights now are exclusively 772/77W except for the couple of times per week that the A340-300 operates AF074 (and continues to Papeete).

Somebody please correct me if I am mistaken.

You are right. But they don't fly to Papeete with their own metals IIRC (it is a Tahiti Nui a/c IIRC)



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User currently offlineTYCOON From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6861 times:

AF flies to Papeete with their own metal (Airbus A340s) and no longer code-share with Air Tahiti Nui on any of the LAX-PPT flights.
The late afternoon CDG-LAX flights (usually on a B77W except once a week on a A340) connect with an AF A340 at LAX for the continuation onto PPT. AF used to fly the B744 CDG-LAX-PPT without change of plane.
The other daily flights CDG-LAX are with B777s. The B744 no longer flies this route since this is an AF first class route and the B744 no longer have first class.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6833 times:

A shame there is no first class on their 744. What I don't understand is that on AF website, I tried for fun to book a First class seat on CDG-MIA-CDG (operated by a 744), and it was possible, they showed the fares for the route!


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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 4513 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6785 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 13):
But they don't fly to Papeete with their own metals IIRC (it is a Tahiti Nui a/c IIRC)

They do use their own aircraft and they recently switched it to the A340 from the 744, which is why we don't see the jumbo at LAX anymore.



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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10751 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6707 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 8):
IIRC, they will leave the fleet In 3 years

The 2003-built G-GITH, I, J are leased aircraft from ILFC, and as much as I know the contract is for 10 or 12 years.

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 1):
F-GISA and F-GISB were converted from pax to F.

Add F-GISF to it, which was delivered last week. How many 744s will be converted, all the Combis?


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6695 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 4):
LAX, PPT

LAX-PPT-LAX is operated by an A343, while CDG-LAX-CDG is mostly operated by B772ER/B773ER and 1 x Week with an A343

Quoting LY777 (Reply 10):
which a/c have Y seats with PTVs on the upper deck?

ALL the B744are configured with an Y class at the upper deck (60 seats) . All of them with PTV.
PTVs in the Y cabin on the main deck of F-GITHI/TI/TJ.

Quoting Swiftski (Reply 1):
F-GISA and F-GISB were converted from pax to F.

F-GISA & F-GISB are indeed converted into full Freighters. F-GISE will be the third aircraft to be also converted into a freighter. The conversion should start next November 2007.

After F-GISE will be retired from PAX services, 13 B744 will remain in PAX services with AF. They are :

F-GITA/TB/TC/TD/TE/TF/TH/TI/TJ.
F-GEXA/XB (ex-UTA aircraft. F-GEXB is an ex-Combi)
F-GISC/SD (ex -Combi).

During the summer schedule, AF B744 are flying to :

JFK, BOS, YUL, YYZ, ATL, MIA, SFO, CCS, GIG, PUJ, SDQ, HAV, MEX, MRU


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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6662 times:

Thanks for all these infos!
Are Y seats on the upper deck more expansive than Y seats in the lower deck?

[Edited 2007-09-24 16:43:12]


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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6604 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 19):
Are Y seats on the upper deck more expansive than Y seats in the lower deck?

No. But usually, Full Y fare/Highest Y Fare PAX and Frequent flyers (F.B Gold /Platinum traveling in Y) are seated in priority at the U/D by the ground staff.


User currently offlineDazbo5 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6516 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 19):
Are Y seats on the upper deck more expansive than Y seats in the lower deck?

I've just flown back from Mauritius to CDG and as a flying blue member, got seated in the upper deck. Seat pitch is greater in the upper deck, approx. 34" compared to 31" on the lower deck so much more comfortable. PTV's are throughout the upper deck and standard ceiling mounted screens in the lower deack (which is quite a poor system given this is a national airline). I would have hated being stuck in the lower deck for the 11 hours, the upper deck is far better. Don't get me started on the cabin crew though, or should I say lack or cabin crew. This was my first time with AF, 3 flights with them over 2 weeks and there connections from MAN to CDG were excellent. I wish I could say the same for the long haul, poor in my opinion.

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User currently offlineB752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6492 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 4):
They send the 744 to ATL, MIA, YUL, Punta Cana, Havana, LAX, PPT and others IIRC. But the 744 is no longer the flagship of the airline (it is the 777)

AF sends the 744 to BOS during the Fall and Winter months. I believe ATL is downgraded to a 343 during the Winter and Spring.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 18):
During the summer schedule, AF B744 are flying to :

JFK, BOS, YUL, YYZ, ATL, MIA, SFO, CCS, GIG, PUJ, SDQ, HAV, MEX, MRU

BOS does not see the 744 during the Spring and Summer. AF adds a second frequency and both flights are operated by the 343, they have 14 x weekly frequencies to BOS.


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6396 times:

Hi!

Quoting LY777 (Reply 4):
But the 744 is no longer the flagship of the airline (it is the 777)

Excelent and bright quote this one!!! Yes, I agree with LY777, I was last June in CDG on transit to and from FIH to LIS and I don't recall seeing many 744's...I indeed saw many 777's and also A332/343's there! I guess with the arrival of the A380 the 744's will go??? That will end a great relation of 38 years..another chapter on AF! By the way I loved AF service, great meals, great crew...I was very impressed to see the way AF was dealing the passengers on our flights to FIH! When I was taxiing to park at FIH one of the crew told me about beeing carefull to take pictures in RDCongo...she gave me lot's of great clues and when I was leaving the plane I had the chance to thank the pilot, Captain Couchelle ( I don't know if it spell like that...) and he thanked me with a nice smile! Anyway AF is great and I'm sure you'll love it....they even serve champagne on board!!!
Regards


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6351 times:

Ewcuse me, where is FIH?

Yes, AF is great indeed. I try to take AF anywhere I fly (except to Israel, I prefer flying LY)



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25 Swiftski : Kinshasa, Congo
26 NA : Is AF officially calling the 773ER its flagship (certainly not the 772)? Unless it is so, I quite disagree. The 744 is the biggest airliner in AFs fl
27 EddieDude : I thought MEX was not getting any more AF 744s. If I am not mistaken, AF is using only 772ERs to MEX (twice daily), although perhaps the A343s get to
28 MAH4546 : I believe there is still a small number of 744s configured with F (F13/C58/Y322). Not sure, though. F is bookable on MIA-CDG flights, however, for wh
29 UPPERDECKFAN : Is there any chance for the B748 to be in AF colors in the future?
30 Post contains images FlyTUITravel : Couldn't the leases be easily transferred to another airline, or the planes sub-leased to another airline? Maybe they will convert them to freighters
31 LY777 : this is as likely as Southwest buying A340s weren't they built in 2000?
32 UPPERDECKFAN : Why so slim? if LH bought both 748 and 380 why not AF? At this moment it doesn't seem likely but things could change in the future........ A bit off
33 FlySSC : Yes it does. AF322/AF321 is operated by a B744. No. The last 2 B744 is this ilds configuration were F-GISA / F-GISB. They were not reconfigured into
34 LY777 : I can't see AF ordering the 748 unfortunately for the time being. Maybe later...
35 PHKLM : Not really. KLM only has 5 full-pax 744's, this is too small to justify the 748. The rest of the KLM 747 fleet consists of combi's, they are ideal fo
36 MAH4546 : I'm curious then why you can book First Class on Air France's website for Miami-Paris. This is a pretty serious error. On Amadeus, though, it is list
37 GeorgeJetson : I may fly from MIA to CDG on AF in February 2008 to see Sylvie Vartan in concert in Paris. Last year, I was going to fly on AF but I ended up going M
38 Max Q : Even when the 744 is gone it will still be the flagship of the airline. No twin jet will ever come close..
39 YULWinterSkies : For the billionth time, AF is NOT a national airline. And these 10 744s are the only few longhaul a/c left with no PTV, and perhaps it is good to rem
40 LY777 : Let me tell you why the 744 is no longer the flagship of AF: 1- AF doesn't send anymore the 744 to premium destinations 2- AF is downgrading its 744
41 Mk777 : Isn't DEL one of AF's premium destination? Why does the B744 fly there during the winter months??? Is it due to increased load in the winter time and
42 LH423 : For the first time this Summer AF upgraded the BOS route to a 343 and 744. They also moved the second flight back to a 23:15 departure with a 21:00 (
43 Olli : Until August and part of September, they were flying 2 dailies. 1 Daily 777 1 Daily (5xW 744 and 2xW 343) The current schedule is: 13 weekly flights
44 Max Q : As I said, it is still the flagship of any airline that has or is operating it. Nothing else comes close.
45 SNBru : During winter months, Bangkok is served by 744 instead of the A340 during summer. I am flying the AF B744 in a couple of weeks from SGN. Any chance of
46 SB : Ummmm yes they do, since years actually. S.
47 PHKLM : I'd say your changes are pretty slim, but you could ask for it in a politely manner.
48 Post contains links and images Dazbo5 : I got a seat in the upper deck coming back from MRU to CDG last saturday, my FB membership was certainly a factor in getting a seat upstairs. I'm gla
49 Jamincan : Well that is certainly a persuasive argument. Regardless, when the A380 comes into the fleet, I imagine it will readily take on the 'flagship' route.
50 LH423 : I trust you're not insinuating that BA do not have PTVs on their long haul fleet. Because I think you'll find that there have been PTVs on the 747 an
51 Post contains images OHLHD : And sometimes staff. AF 744 GIG - CDG April 05´
52 FlySSC : Right. Non Rev. PAX are usually seated at the upper deck whenever it's possible !
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