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Swiss Aviation Thread 13 - Good Luck  
User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Posted (7 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 23139 times:

As the the previous thread Swiss Aviation Thread 12 - Follow-up! reached over 200 posts I decided to start a new one.

As everybody knows ZRH will soon have slot problems. There is a wide discussion about the runway system. Unfortunately there are several groups which want to prohibit any change of the runway system or even want to worsen it. There is also this most stupid German direction regarding landings from the north. Till now the Zurich Canton Government always said that therefore is no chance for a parallel runway. According to the NZZ (Sept 24) the BAZL (Federal Civil Aviation Authority) is at least ready to check the options for a new runway. Although I think it won't happen in the next 10 years it is still good signal.
Here is the article (in German): http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/zueric...zuerich_doch_pruefen_1.560038.html

[Edited 2007-09-24 13:59:06]

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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3257 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 23092 times:

Quoting ChrisZRH from previous thread:
Also two Novair A330s are getting ready for their new operator Air India, configurated in ZRH. Hope we're going to get some nice shots...

Does anyone know if the interiors are being changed, or are they still in the cramped charter layout?



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User currently offlineAntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 22925 times:

Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Thread starter):
As everybody knows ZRH will soon have slot problems. There is a wide discussion about the runway system. Unfortunately there are several groups which want to prohibit any change of the runway system or even want to worsen it. There is also this most stupid German direction regarding landings from the north. Till now the Zurich Canton Government always said that therefore is no chance for a parallel runway. According to the NZZ (Sept 24) the BAZL (Federal Civil Aviation Authority) is at least ready to check the options for a new runway. Although I think it won't happen in the next 10 years it is still good signal.
Here is the article (in German): http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/zueric....html

Thanks for coming up with such a interesting topic. I didn't know that they'll have a look on the runway issue. The major problem in my opinion is Switzerland being so small with geographical obstructions and its "all-over spread" population. There would have been simply no room -also politically- for a major construction work = building a new, parallel runway. Are there any intentions to lenghten RWY 10-28?



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User currently onlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 22911 times:

Quoting AntonovA330 (Reply 2):
There would have been simply no room -also politically- for a major construction work = building a new, parallel runway. Are there any intentions to lenghten RWY 10-28?

Regarding this runway, how come there are no landings taking place on 10? Zurich really has too many restrictions already with it's landing and departure slots I really hope the situation will get better and not worse. The parallel runway would be great and probably the only solution to have multi runways in use etc. So 16L and R and 34L and R. I really hope that the upcomming elections that involve on puting further restrictions to ZRH airport with longer night hours etc will make the people vote against it.


User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 22934 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 3):
The parallel runway would be great and probably the only solution to have multi runways in use etc. So 16L and R and 34L and R

Okay, but where do you build it with Oberglatt and Rümlang on one side ? Do you think to something like AMS and it's latest runway ?


User currently onlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 22871 times:

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 4):
Okay, but where do you build it with Oberglatt and R�mlang on one side ? Do you think to something like AMS and it's latest runway ?

Wasn't there ones an idea to relace the additional 16 -34 runway with the current 14 - 32 runway and move the highway or by tunneling it or move it further ou?. If space between the runways would still be too close maybe if there is free space you could move the current 16 - 34 runway further out direction ruemlang by 100 meters or so? I gues this is the only feasable so far there is the space but soon housing areas could be construct and so on, so the parallel runway system will not be possible. So let's hope people will get their common sense together and will give Swiss Aviation a chance by not blocking it through limiting construction and aircraft movements for the future. Many jobs depend on ZRH airport as well!!!


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 22825 times:

Quoting AntonovA330 (Reply 2):
Are there any intentions to lenghten RWY 10-28?

Actually when and if any runway improvement could happen this would be first. There are serious plans and possibilities to lengthen 10/28 on both sides by totally about 500 m to 3000 m. But??... I hope so.

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 4):
Okay, but where do you build it with Oberglatt and Rümlang on one side ? Do you think to something like AMS and it's latest runway ?

There are plans to build a new 16L/34R instead of 14/32. It would be technically possible. This is the so called plan "Green" of about 19 evaluated alternatives.


User currently offlineSandroZRH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 22813 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 6):

Actually when and if any runway improvement could happen this would be first. There are serious plans and possibilities to lengthen 10/28 on both sides by totally about 500 m to 3000 m. But??... I hope so.

And how is that supposed to happen? I can see a small margin towards Rümlang, which, however, would make the runway end extremely close to the town, god forbid a plane overruns that runway. And on Kloten's side? There hardly is any space, unless you wanna scrap the new highway and the houses below the glideslope, incl the BP gas station.


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 22808 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 7):
And how is that supposed to happen? I can see a small margin towards Rümlang, which, however, would make the runway end extremely close to the town, god forbid a plane overruns that runway. And on Kloten's side? There hardly is any space, unless you wanna scrap the new highway and the houses below the glideslope, incl the BP gas station

I don't know. But I saw drawings where they can lengthen towards Kloten by about 100 m (ends before the highway), and towards Rümlang over the river Glatt with a bridge.


User currently offlineSandroZRH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 22797 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 8):
But I saw drawings where they can lengthen towards Kloten by about 100 m (ends before the highway),

So that's the end of the cool parking lot just off the end of 28, meh  Angry


User currently offlineKnightsofmalta From Malta, joined Nov 2005, 1836 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 22756 times:

There was a report recently, I think it might even have been in Travel Inside, that the construction of new quick turn-off taxiways for runways 34 and 28 had been granted which would allow a better flow of traffic on these runways which would then allow the airport to increase the number of movements per hour. Don't know when exactly construction is supposed to begin though.

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 22676 times:

Quoting Knightsofmalta (Reply 10):
There was a report recently, I think it might even have been in Travel Inside, that the construction of new quick turn-off taxiways for runways 34 and 28 had been granted which would allow a better flow of traffic on these runways which would then allow the airport to increase the number of movements per hour. Don't know when exactly construction is supposed to begin though.

This is correct. I also read it in the daily newspapers Neue Zürcher Zeitung und Tagesanzeiger.
NZZ Sept 20th 2007, page 55, in German:

Quote:
Zusätzliche Rollwege am Flughafen Zürich
Keine Erhöhung der Gesamtkapazität
(ap) Der Bund hat der Flughafen Zürich AG die Plangenehmigung für Ergänzungen der Infrastruktur erteilt. Damit kann die Flughafengesellschaft Unique sogenannte Schnellabrollwege für die Pisten 28 und 34 sowie zusätzliche Einfahrten auf die Pisten 16, 28 und 32 bauen. So soll es zu weniger Verspätungen kommen, wie es in einer Mitteilung des Eidgenössischen Departements für Umwelt, Verkehr, Energie und Kommunikation (Uvek) heisst. Der Flughafen hatte gemeinsam mit dem vorläufigen Betriebsreglement ein Gesuch für neue Schnellabrollwege und zusätzliche Einfahrten eingereicht. Die je zwei Schnellabrollwege ab den Pisten 28 und 34 sollen die Kapazität für Anflüge aus Osten und Süden erhöhen. Das war nötig geworden, weil die Kapazität wegen der Einschränkungen im süddeutschen Luftraum zurückgegangen war. Mit den neuen Rollwegen könne der Flughafen einen Teil der eingebüssten Kapazität zurückerlangen, schreibt das Uvek.

Das Bundesamt für Zivilluftfahrt hatte das Gesuch zusammen mit dem vorläufigen Betriebsreglement im Frühling 2004 öffentlich aufgelegt. Zahlreiche Einsprecher äusserten daraufhin die Befürchtung, durch die Ergänzungen der Infrastruktur könne der Flughafen seine Kapazität massiv erhöhen. Das Uvek ist nun zum Schluss gelangt, dass die Gesamtkapazität des Flughafens nicht erhöht wird. Die neuen Infrastrukturen stellten zudem kein Präjudiz für die Wahl der künftigen Betriebsform dar, die im Rahmen des laufenden SIL-Prozesses getroffen wird. Der Entscheid des Uvek kann innert 30 Tagen ans Bundesverwaltungsgericht weitergezogen werden.

In einer Medienmitteilung bezeichnete der Bürgerprotest Fluglärm Ost den Rückgewinn der Kapazitätseinbusse aufgrund der deutschen Verordnung als einziges Ziel der Schnellabrollwege. Auf der Verliererseite seien einmal mehr die berechtigten Anliegen der betroffenen Bevölkerung.


User currently offlineHelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 22661 times:

Just out of interest what would the effect be of this Plafonierungs initiative passing? How much will it reduce the number of flights by?

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 22643 times:

Quoting Helvknight (Reply 12):
Just out of interest what would the effect be of this Plafonierungs initiative passing? How much will it reduce the number of flights by?

First of all I hope it won't be accepted. But this is an interesting question. The "Plafonierungsinitiative" is a vote in the Canton of Zurich. But as the federal authorities have the competencies to define the procedures at ZRH they are actually legally not bound to the vote. But it is of course the question what they would do after a possible positive vote.

[Edited 2007-09-25 14:34:37]

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 22627 times:

Quoting Helvknight (Reply 12):
Just out of interest what would the effect be of this Plafonierungs initiative passing? How much will it reduce the number of flights by

To answer your question better. At the moment nothing. ZRH had in 2006 237,144 movements. The "Plafonierungsinitiative" wants to limit the movements to 250,000 per year. But already this or next year ZRH could come near these numbers.


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 22613 times:

Quoting Helvknight (Reply 12):
Just out of interest what would the effect be of this Plafonierungs initiative passing? How much will it reduce the number of flights by?

And something else: the vote will be at November 25th 2007. I really asked all Swiss members over 18, living in the Canton of Zurich to vote even if you usually not vote. Vote "no" twice (also to the Gegenvorschlag). Here you can see the text if you are interested:
http://www.amtsblatt.zh.ch/root/t100.cfm?IREC=5620
As you can see the worst is not even the 250,000 movements but curfew of nine (9!!) hours.


User currently offlineAviationmaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2481 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 22553 times:

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 5):
Many jobs depend on ZRH airport as well!!!

Very true, but many people in the region care more about getting their 9 hours of sleep than the possibility of jobs being at risk. If this whole Plafonierungsinitiative goes through and the worst case scenario happens, you will see a huge bunch of those people who were in favour of the Initiative whining. I am pissed off at the narrowmindedness of a too large part of the population (one of the reasons as to why I am writing my Maturarbeit about "Fluglärm around Zurich" Big grin ).


User currently offlineHBChris From Switzerland, joined Jun 2007, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 22506 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 15):
I really asked all Swiss members over 18, living in the Canton of Zurich to vote even if you usually not vote. Vote "no" twice (also to the Gegenvorschlag).

I sure will, even though I'm normally to lazy to go vote  Smile

I'm confident that the "Plafonierungsinitiative" will not pass, but I'm not so sure about the "Gegenvorschlag" BTW, what is the recommendation of the government/canton? Do they recommend the "Gegenvorschlag" or do they recommend 2x no?


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 22496 times:

Quoting HBChris (Reply 17):
BTW, what is the recommendation of the government/canton? Do they recommend the "Gegenvorschlag" or do they recommend 2x no?

The Gegenvorschlag is from the Government (Regierungsrat). But I am against everything which could interfere the airport in anyway. Therefore it is twice "no". There is also an "if" question: if both would be accepted by the voters, which one would you like to become effective. In this case the answer is of course "Gegenvorschlag".


User currently offlineIcna05e From France, joined Feb 2006, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 22473 times:

Apparently BSL on the other hand prepared the ground for a parallel RWY, not that there would be any use for it in the foreseeable future and probably never will. As can be seen on the Noise Exposure Plan which is a document designed to control urbanisation around French airports (you probably have the same in your hilly country but I am not competent for it):

http://www.acnusa.fr/images/images-r...peb_lden_bas_def/peb_bale_lden.jpg

The curves pretty much delimit an area where aicraft departing from/landing on a Western runway would make too much noise for someone to build a house or whatever. The 16R threshold would be offset to the North of the current 16, making for an interesting taxi time for take-off. I guess a/c would overfly Bâle a little higher but I bet people from Hesingue, Blotzheim, and especially Bartenheim would looooove it.

On a side note does anyone knows if the ILS on RWY 34 is up and running yet?

Alexis


User currently offlineSandroZRH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 22464 times:

What pisses me off is that these assholes who are behind that whole bullshit still use ZRH when goping on holidays. They should be listed and access to ZRH should be revoked aswell as to all other swiss international airports. Let's see them drive to MUC or MXP for travel.

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 22445 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 7):
And how is that supposed to happen? I can see a small margin towards Rümlang, which, however, would make the runway end extremely close to the town, god forbid a plane overruns that runway. And on Kloten's side? There hardly is any space, unless you wanna scrap the new highway and the houses below the glideslope, incl the BP gas station.

Here you find every answer about any possibility of runway system at ZRH (large PDF file 18.5 MB, long download depending on your connection).
http://www.bazl.admin.ch/sil/00830/0...7P1oah162apo3X1cjYh2+hoJVn6w==.pdf

And here is the page of the BAZL where you can find everything:
http://www.bazl.admin.ch/sil/00830/01038/01044/index.html?lang=de


User currently offlineAntonovA330 From Switzerland, joined Jul 2007, 349 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 22442 times:

Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 6):
Actually when and if any runway improvement could happen this would be first. There are serious plans and possibilities to lengthen 10/28 on both sides by totally about 500 m to 3000 m. But??... I hope so.

Yes, ZRH, the new Kai Tak, where you can have a look in peoples living room Big grin

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 20):
What pisses me off is that these assholes who are behind that whole bullshit still use ZRH when goping on holidays. They should be listed and access to ZRH should be revoked aswell as to all other swiss international airports. Let's see them drive to MUC or MXP for travel.

I tell you what pisses me off (or at least makes me perplex): This whole construction work around the airport. With the new Glatttalbahn, which IMO is a waste of money par excellence, there will be houses etc. built, which should attract the region. For industrial affairs - fine. But, just as an example, look at Glattpark: The RWY34 APP leads more or less straight over their (tired) heads. I'm curious when they will start grumbling about that terrible noise, which wasn't listed on their appartment listings...



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User currently offlineSandroZRH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 22442 times:

Quoting ZRH (Reply 21):
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thanks  bigthumbsup 

I imagine that if a parallel runway will be built, runway28 will be nothing else than an alternate runway for windy days, and hardly ever used.


User currently onlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2127 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 22440 times:

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 20):
What pisses me off is that these assholes who are behind that whole bullshit still use ZRH when goping on holidays.

That's so true. In almost no other country you would have a scenario where the population could decide to reduce airport movments and harm your countrie's economic growth just because some idiots rather want to sleep at night. My god all those people living in the South including Mr. Morf (President of the VFSN = Verband Flugschneisse Sued NEIN) , or anybody else living in the airport vacinity affected by noise of arriving and departing traffic in germany, north and east of airport etc in most areas it's not that bad and come on it's cool to watch those planes Big grin Zurich needs this airport and we need to be able to grow in future that's not too hard to understand. On a side note it's already embaracing enough that Zurich didn't receive a "real" soccer stadium for the Euro 08 as the population voted against it now please please let's hope that the population will not also ruin the future of ZRH airport.


25 ZRH : To be correct, the people voted PRO stadium with a large majority but like at the airport stupid neighbors are going to court (at the moment Federal
26 Post contains images LXA340 : This is so rediciulous that things are being decided by such a little part of the population, but that's our country. Most likely it will come, still
27 Post contains images SandroZRH : The Euro wa sthe hwole purpose to build a new stadium. The ywon't eve rbe able to fill a 45000+ stadium with super league games, they can't even fill
28 Post contains images ZRH : According to plans (5-Eck) it will be a 30000+, this is ok. But lets go back to aviation and leave this (off) topic
29 Post contains images Hbjza : I couldn't have said it any better. And I'm sure that for more than 80 % of those people, when they decided to build, buy or rent a house/flat in the
30 AGRflyer : and Nothing else to add. I completely agree to both of you
31 Post contains links and images Lionel : Its not really within the topic (although more than the stadium-discussion) but I just wanted to mention that I passed my PPL skill test two days ago.
32 Post contains images SandroZRH : Congratulations
33 Knightsofmalta : Congratulations Lionel and many happy landings!
34 ANITIX87 : Don't they already use multiple runways? Every time I was at ZRH (four times) they were taking off on 16 and landing on 14. Is this not the most comm
35 LXA340 : I am not quite sure if they do work completely independant from each other then if a plane needs to abort take off I don't know if planes could get t
36 Lionel : I don't see a problem with aborting the takeoff when using runway 14 for landing and 16 for departure. BTW, is the sidestep procedure from rw 14 to 1
37 Post contains images LXA340 : sorry my mistake, I meant if a plane aboarts landing on 14, there are no take off's from 14 anyhow. So yeah, exactly what you said then, that's what
38 Post contains images SandroZRH : Because the Goldküste Snobs want to do their Siesta
39 Lionel : The Goldkueste is in the south of the airport and has nothing to do with this discussion. And by the way, I don't want to see a A340 "climbing" over
40 Post contains images LXA340 : As departures don't happen simultnaiously I doubt it. With a sharp right turn you get pretty easily into the same departure path as from departure fr
41 SandroZRH : Ah I missed the right turn part there. If they'd go straight, they'd cross over the Goldküste. Anyway, if they do a right turn, they'd cross over Oe
42 Post contains links and images FelixZRH : I don't see here a problem. More of a problem would be the Sunrise-Tower http://map.search.ch/zuerich/andreasstr.65 which is higher and closer to the
43 Post contains images SandroZRH : Or they can just slalom around the sunrise tower and the swissotel on departure. btw, you live very close to a friend of mine!
44 LXA340 : We just need to get a new parallel runway to 16 - 34 and operate 24/7 with no restrictions of right, left and straight direction and ignore what the
45 LXA340 : JNB flight was cancelled last night and postponed to this noon. Also LX014 to JFK (HB/IQH) was delayed from 13:00 to 20:00 did the plane go tech yeste
46 Knightsofmalta : JMI had a fuel leakage at ZRH last night.
47 Post contains images LXA340 : Oh, so that's why the flight was cancelled. JMI is still in ZRH then I gues? It's scheduled to go to TLV and GRU / SCL tomorow. Hope there are no com
48 Knightsofmalta : Hi LX340 Fortunately I managed to retrieve the e-mail from my deleted items! The flight left today at UTC 10h30 as LX7288/7289 and is expected back to
49 LXA340 : Thanks for the info Knightsofmalta. True JNB is very helpfull to bring schedule back on track. Let's hope no other plane goes tech in the meanwhile.
50 Saab2000 : Hey Lionel! I have flown that airplane!! It is in my logbook. About 3 logbooks ago..... LXA340, did you get my e-mail? I sent you one as an answer to
51 Post contains images Knightsofmalta : Ehm...there seems to be some issue with IQH and the availability of spare parts actually. I dunno, maybe Sandro might know more. In any case, as a re
52 Post contains images LXA340 : Hi, yeah I did, thanks a lot. All is good, how about you captain Currently in TLV will be back tomorow evening in ZRH, reply and attach a couple of p
53 David_itl : I notice that MAN-BSL is listed in Amadeus as being 5 weekly from February. I hope that they maintain this frequency throughout next summer!
54 Knightsofmalta : Hi David Chances are they will. The increase was only possible by reducing the frequency to NCE from BSL which has been the worst performer among the
55 Post contains images SandroZRH : What on earth are you doing in TLV? That'd be about last on my list of places i'd visit No surprise here. Not for now, i'll try to find out more. Hav
56 Post contains images LXA340 : soaking up the last rays of summer sun It's also the last on the list of most LX (or form other airlines) F/As which is understanable, especially sin
57 Post contains images SandroZRH : In fact it is Swissport, but they have a dedicated Easyjet team and that's what i applied to. I especially applied to Easyjet because the working hou
58 Post contains images LXA340 : JMI still isn't fixed, just made the equipment change to A320
59 MAH4546 : Finally, a date for when Miami-Zürich service on Swiss switches to a daily A340-300: 11 July 2008.
60 LXA340 : Shouldn't all 6 additional A340's be delivered till may 08? BTW Sandro, the issue with JMI seems to be more serious I gues, since thursday evening it
61 Post contains links ZRH : In the "Tages Anzeiger" of Saturday Sept 29th, page 18 I found a most interesting short note (not online): "Flieger online verfolgen" (Follow the flig
62 AntonovA330 : Probably more a polls and prefs related question, but I'm sure you guys can help me out. What would be the cheapest booking option flying SHA-ZRH (so
63 717fan : If the rumor on flightforum.ch is true, ZRH will soon have another link to Brazil with a 1x weekly flight with BRA to Recife.... I believe when I see
64 Post contains links ZRH : This would be great. But who is BRA? The airlinecodes website says Braathens (ICAO code)? Or is it a name of an airline? Never heard about it. http:/
65 Post contains links ZRH : Ok I found a page of this airline: http://www.voebra.com.br/ They seem not to have an English page. This is strange for airline business. As don't un
66 SandroZRH : I don't think they're noew. They fly a fleet of 737s within Brasil and a few 767 on interconti routes. I saw one of them in MAD the other week.-
67 LX64A332 : Are there any regulations regarding the times of the Suedanfluege? I live part time in Egg/ZH and when I get up at 5:45 to get to work, I sit on my te
68 ZRH : No 0600 is not exactly when they are allowed to start the "Südanflüge". This is the time when the first landings in the morning at ZRH are allowed
69 LXA340 : Tonights Swiss flight to HKG got cancelled as the A340 HB-JMI that went tech thursday evening still isn't fixed. Strange that JNB didn't get cancelled
70 Ka : Not quite: First touchdown in the morning on RWY34 (Suedanflug) is allowed at 06:04 local time (if an earlier touchdown occurs the involved air traff
71 Ka : JNB couldn´t be cancelled that easily tonight, as the flight continues exceptionally from JNB further to CPT and turns around there. So there is no
72 LXA340 : How come the flight contines to CPT today?
73 Post contains images SandroZRH : Hey im just trying out that flight tracker and it does work indeed. Takes quite some time to load, but onc eloaded its pretty neat
74 Post contains images SandroZRH : Btw, i just saw JMD blasting ove rmy house on the way to HKG as LX 7138. Seems like there'll be two HKG flights today
75 ZRH : Thanks for the specification. But you can say that basically the curfew ends at 0600?
76 ZRH : It is interesting. But you only get a so called Flug-ID and the flight level of each flight. No airline or aircraft type. Do you know if one could id
77 Ka : That is basically correct. Departures would be allowed by that time, as would be arrivals with the exception of RWY34 (on which has to be landed unle
78 LXA340 : Today it officially shows that tonight's JNB flight continues to Capetown how come? Is LX planing to extend it's JNB flight to Capetown?
79 SandroZRH : That wouldn't make sense, firstly, they are codesharing on SA metal on that route, and secondly, there can't be enough traffic between ZRH and CPT th
80 LXA340 : Or somebody on board of the Swiss government who goes on a official visit to Captetown? Tonights flight shows again normal that it just flies to JNB
81 Post contains links FelixZRH : There must be just some important people traveling to CPT. Here is the explanation in German (not from me): http://www.flightforum.ch/forum/showpost.
82 ZRH : They say that the whole business class is booked to Cape Town by a group of "important people". "Normal people" also could book Cape Town but not bus
83 LXA340 : Thanks for the info. Is there any news about the Airbus A340 HB-JMI that is out of service since last thursday? Doesn't this have negative influence
84 SandroZRH : Interesting. COuld be a FIFA delegation traveling to CPT because of the 2010 world cup, as we all know that FIFA's HQ is in Zürich. I wonder wether
85 LXA340 : That's true, they probably flew a crew down to JNB the day before. They then operated JNB-CPT-JNB and if they were unlucky they were sent home the sa
86 SandroZRH : The aircraft had an RTO and a few tires blew while it was taxiing back to stand due to overheated breaks. The tires needed ot be changed and the gear
87 Post contains images LXA340 : thanks sandro
88 Post contains images ZRH : Thanks Sandro. But could you explain to a ignorant like me what a RTO is? BTW hopp FCZ!!!
89 Post contains images LXA340 : and FCB of course
90 Post contains images SandroZRH : As far as i know, it's an aborted takeoff. Agreed
91 Knightsofmalta : Doesn't RTO stand for Rejected Take Off?
92 Post contains links RJ100 : If someone is interested in my trip report about yesterday's BSL to ZRH A-340 flight, please visit here: BSL To ZRH Short Hop On Swiss A-340 (by RJ100
93 Knightsofmalta : It really was a nice flight, pitty about the low visibility though. When the pilot announced that you could see Pilatus I thought "what on earth is he
94 SandroZRH : Well yes, but i thought calling it an aborted takeoff spreads less confusion, in the end, there isn't a lot of difference between the two.
95 LXA340 : tickets were only given away for LX employees and special guests from BSL or was theer another way to get tickets as well, invitations for Status mem
96 Post contains links ZRH : Quite a funny article in The "Tages Anzeiger" about leisure passengers having problems at the airport (in German). For example, a passenger is complai
97 Post contains images SandroZRH : HAHAHA Some people never cease to amaze me, then again, it is hard to imagine how it is for people who don't have ssuch a fundamental knowledge about
98 Knightsofmalta : Well from what I understand, the main focus was on the press, the politicians and travel agents from the trirhena area. Then there were some seats wh
99 Post contains links Viasa : Swiss will have soon an A320 in special "hopp Schwiiz" livery. Here is the story (only in german): http://www.blick.ch/fanflieger/so-ko...auf-den-hopp
100 Post contains images SandroZRH : wow, thats way cool, i was waiting for a swiss special livery jet larger than an avro, very nice
101 Post contains images Infodesk : Thanks for posting the link ZRH, good article. So true. I often wonder how they manage once they get to their holiday destination, if they have such
102 Post contains images SandroZRH : haha thanks I'm starting to doubt wether it's still worth it though. I have now passed two of four rounds of LX's pilot screening process. Now if, bi
103 Helvknight : That would be great, all the best, amigo. Do you get a choice of Avro or Bus?
104 Post contains images SandroZRH : Thank you When you apply, you can apply to Swiss international if you have the Matura or if you were accepte din a University, if you don't, you can
105 Post contains images LXA340 : So far so good, good luck for the other 2 tests and hopefully you'll be flying me on a LX flight in a few years Cool idea with that logo jet for the
106 Post contains images SandroZRH : Thanks, let's hope so indeed! Actually, it'll only be one more test (albeit two days), and then the interview. The next test, called PIT (Pilot Instr
107 Post contains images SandroZRH : double post A.net is on a run lately![Edited 2007-10-09 15:18:18]
108 LHBSL : Hi Sandro, perhaps i missed it but did you yet get your results from Hamburg? would be nice to see you once in FRA... Regards Chris
109 Post contains images ZRH : Today I past by train at the airport, when I decided to get of and look around a bit. Although I didn't expect to see much interesting at this time of
110 Post contains images SandroZRH : Sounds good! Why didnt you give me a call? I would have come along I heard today that SRTechnics is getting ready for the 787. My dad has been appoin
111 Post contains images ZRH : Hey this would be great. We could see a lot of these birds. They should get ready for the 380 . Sorry that I didn't call but it was really very spont
112 Helvknight : I saw a *A livery Avro parked up at ZRH last night as I taxied past on the way to FCO. Was that the one or do LX have any others in *A livery. I know
113 ZRH : As I know, LX does have two AVROs in *A livery.
114 LXA340 : True, IYU and V I think are the regs
115 Post contains links and images RJ100 : For the first time since many years Basel will receive a full charter flight with incoming ski tourists. Russian carrier Transaero will operate every
116 Knightsofmalta : Hi RJ100 Just a question. If I remember correctly Iceland Express were going to operate to BSL this summer. Was that just a seasonal route or are ther
117 SQ7345 : MOL was on the inbound leg STO-BSL, stayed for a short while and left on a private plane to ?
118 RJ100 : You are correct it was a seasonal route only from beginning of June to end of August. About the plans of Iceland Express I unfortunately know nothing.
119 Post contains images LXA340 : Swiss has been voted "Best European Airline" the 2nd time in a row after receiving this award already in 2006 by the World Traveler Awards. Way to go
120 HECA : Congrats to LX! Flown with them twice this year and as usual top notch Swiss quality service was offered! LX truly deserves it!
121 Post contains links SandroZRH : Very nice! ZRH has also grabbed the award for Europe's leading airport. Lufthansa was named Europe's leading business class airline. Certainly a stro
122 LXA340 : Have all the RJ85's been retired already from Swiss European? Did LX find any spare RJ100's so far to make up the lost capacity of the 4 RJ85's that w
123 David_itl : Time for the usual LX MAN passenger update! The statisics for September show 14723 passenger to ZRH (up 11% on Sept 2006) which I think equates to 81
124 RJ100 : Transaero this week has also received full traffic rights from the Swiss aviation authority to operate a scheduled route between Moscow DME and Basel.
125 Post contains images SandroZRH : Good news, any ideas about equipment? 767s? Sure would be great to see some more widebodies at BSL. PS: for anyone who cares, I passed stage three of
126 Post contains images RJ100 : It will be a 737 and a 767 during high peak ski season. Chances might be that they use their brandnew Tupolev-214 occasionally. So let's hope their 73
127 ZRH : Hey super. Congrats!
128 Helvknight : Congratulations. Good luck for the interview.
129 HECA : Congratulations and good luck with the interview! When is it due?
130 Post contains images SandroZRH : Thanks all, but not exactly the time to open the champagne bottles just yet, if i pass the interview i might The interview (and the relate dpersonali
131 Post contains images Infodesk : All the best Sandro and I'll be keeping my fingers crossed
132 LXA340 : Good luck with the interview Sandro. What would be next after that, 2 years of flight school and then a spot as F/O on an A32S?
133 Post contains images SandroZRH : Cheers everyone I called them today and got November 19th as the next possible date for the interview. In the meanwhile i'll go through the two medica
134 Post contains images LXA340 : Oh ok, so you would be flying Avro under Swiss International Air Lines Payment or for the time being you would get payment acording to Swiss European
135 Post contains images SandroZRH : Hm I don't know about the payment, but frankly, when aged 23, any European Pilot salary is good. Actually it might be an advantage to fly the avro fo
136 Post contains images SandroZRH : Guys, I just read in the September issue of Aero International that CA is planning to launch a PEK-ZRH service in 2009. Now Aero International has not
137 Post contains images RJ100 : Thanks Sandro, looks like an interesting issue. And of course good luck from my side too for your training.
138 Post contains links LIPZ : Does someone know if LX is thinking of starting Basel-Venice route sometimes in the upcoming months? On Venice airport website, into timetable section
139 RJ100 : I wouldn't be surprised to see it as Swiss mentioned that they intend to base an additional AR1 in BSL next year. Swiss needs to do something in the i
140 Post contains images LXA340 : True if you'll be capable to land and take off with an Avro at LCY. The same procedure with an A32S at LHR will be the easiest thing Is LX going to h
141 Ka : LX announced in the press release about changes to the coming tmetable that the planned introduction of ZRH-PVG with begin of the summer schedule 08 h
142 LXA340 : Swiss is going to delay the introduction of the ZRH - PVG flights from the end of March 2008 to May 9th 2008. The official reason is a delay of the de
143 Infodesk : I really hope so. I'm boycotting the ZRH-MAN route until they start using their own metal again.
144 Post contains images HECA : I'm certainly gonna remember this promise Keep us posted on your progress. Sounds logical but perhaps LX hasn't decided yet on the new long haul prod
145 LXA340 : THis might have to do with that or more likely the availability of it, I heared already a few times that there are quite long waitinglists for aircra
146 ZRH : I also prefer when LX flies with their own metall. The Spanair MD 82 are really bad and cramped. But on the MAN route they use, as I know, the Helvet
147 Post contains images Infodesk : Ok, they're not that bad... They just look and feel old. Give me the Avro any day
148 Post contains links and images SandroZRH : Hey guys. Anyone who read the Tages Anzeiger (and possibly other newspapers aswell) will already know, but for those who don't: Coop is selling LX fli
149 Post contains images RJ100 : Why paying 149 CHF if you can get the Avro for 89 CHF? BTW, today easyJet will become a travel agent, offering flight/hotel deals bookable through th
150 Post contains images SandroZRH : Do you know what a return train ticket to Basel costs? CHF60. 89 + 60 = ? Exactly, 149
151 David_itl : So if you'd go on the service, it'd be 82 passengers per service. Surely the time is now approaching when LX need to look at this service and decide
152 Post contains images Infodesk : You got me there! I just can't say no for 149chf, so bought one voucher for ZRH ...... and one for BSL
153 RJ100 : Nice stuff, I wish you a lot of fun with the flights! Today AMAC Aerospace has received a 35-year concession from BSL airport to build hangars in the
154 LXA340 : Anybody have any info on LX016 to JFK, flight was scheduled for 9:50 this morning. Plane (HB-IQK) an A330 is sitting at the gate at ZRH and status of
155 Post contains links ZRH : NZZ (Neue Zürcher Zeitung): Swiss verhilft Lufthansa zu einem Rekordgewinn. Swiss helps LH to reach a record profit. In German: http://www.nzz.ch/nac
156 Post contains links ZRH : Here is also an article in English about the LH/LX profits: http://www.reuters.com/article/tnBas...ndustries-SP/idUSL2437816020071024
157 Post contains images SandroZRH : Very nice! Did you consider starting a thread about it? I think this would warrant its own thread! By the way, sometimes I hate my aviation-passion H
158 Infodesk : LXA340 - I don't know what the exact technical fault was. The flight was delayed from 0950 til 1130, the passengers boarded and the plane pushed back.
159 LIPZ : Swiss announced today that an additional A-319 is to be based at Cointrin Airport in order to start new Geneva-Rome (1 daily), increase Geneva-Moscow
160 Post contains images LXA340 : Nice to see LX expand also in Geneva. I just have a feeling if LX will base another aircraft in GVA it doesn't look like those wetleases on some flig
161 Knightsofmalta : The Spanair wet-lease will be terminated and replaced with one additional Helvetic F. 100 and an aircraft from Contact air which will fly to PRG and
162 ZRH : This is really good news. I have flown both, the Spanair MD 82 and the Helvetic F 100. There is a big difference. Spanair is cramped and Helvetic com
163 Knightsofmalta : Well, those MD-80s may be a bit long in the tooth. But that noise...
164 Post contains images AntonovA330 : As much as I love the maddog, thank god its over... Don't you mean Cirrus Air?
165 Knightsofmalta : No definitely Contact Air. In addition to the flights operated by Cirrus Air and Helvetic.
166 ZRH : I don't know Contact Air at all. What kind of aircraft do they fly?
167 LXA340 : Think they are a subsidary of LH and part of Lufthansa Regional" and they got Dash aircraft if I am not wrong?
168 LXA340 : Think they are a subsidary of LH and part of "Lufthansa Regional" and they got Dash aircraft if I am not wrong?
169 Knightsofmalta : They also have ATR-72s but I don't know which type will be flying for LX yet.
170 717fan : At least a new freighter service to ZRH is perhaps coming: Turkish is planning a 1x weekly (Tuesday) A310F service to IST
171 Post contains images FlySwiss : TK freighter is confirmed Below the details. Turkish Airlines Cargo inaugural freighter flight ex Zurich / ZRH to Istanbul / IST TK 6382 weekly on Day
172 717fan : SQ is adding at a minimum 3 more weekly flights to ZRH with 773 from the summer timetable 08 on. They are reserving the slots now, and perhaps they wi
173 SandroZRH : Good news, thanks for that. I got my voting-documents for the Plafonierungs bullshit today, and i take it that most if not all of you did aswell. I h
174 Post contains images AviationMaster : I haven't received those yet, but my mailbox got flooeded with crap propaganda from IG-Nord (at least they want 2x Nein), Komitee Lebendiges Zürich
175 ZRH : NEIN NEIN NEIN! I am of course against any limitations for ZRH. I ask all airnetters who live in the Canton of Zurich to go and vote "Nein" even when
176 Post contains images AntonovA330 : Nice! I want some, too! I've read in an flyer ("Komitee lebendiges Zürich") that ZRH has one of the toughest air traffic regulations. What other air
177 Post contains images AviationMaster : You can have mine! In the letter they sent me it says: "Als Bewohner der Zone mit der akustischen Belastung B und C, steht Ihnen der kostenlose und m
178 Post contains images LXA340 : Anything mentioned on the flight schedules? I would assume this would be a day flight out of SIN getting here in the evening and returning to SIN as
179 ZRH : That is what I always say. Most people don't hear flight noise. They only "see" it. When they see an aircraft from fare they whine: "Oh, we do have s
180 Infodesk : There seem to be a lot of letters in the papers in the moment from people all in favour of the Plafonierungsinitative. It's quite worrying. I just hop
181 Swissgabe : Already done. Have sent in a double NEIN (with the option for the Gegenvorschlag, which would still better than the Initiative).
182 LXA340 : Switzerland really needs to be ashamed if this Plafonierungsinitiative should get through. Why would people be against ecomonic growth of their count
183 Post contains images Swissy : Sali zaeme, Back from hiding........... (endless work) Agree, the $$$$ generated by the airport is huge for the towns/canton/Switzerland no need the c
184 FlySwiss : 2x Nein what else otherwise I do not see a bright future for the far east routes -> airport zurich -> economic in Switzerland -> my job @swissgabe, yo
185 Swiss-airplane : yes, 2 mal Nein for sure I saw in Kloten a advertisement for Platfonierungsinitiative Ja which i found very strange as Kloten would be nowhere without
186 Post contains images SwissA330 : We should make a 'Mehr Fluglärm Initiative' Funilly enough, for those of you who know studiVZ (the german version of Facebook) there is a group calle
187 RJ100 : I heard a rumour that easyJet might be interested in a third base in Switzerland, basing up to 5 aircraft there. This would mean a major attack on the
188 SwissA330 : It was also mentioned in Yesterdays 20 Minuten (or was it Cash Daily?) Apparently they want to gain market share in ZRH as well, after being number 1
189 RJ100 : Iceland Express has now released the schedules and opened sales. Basel will see a second weekly flight throughout summer, now operating Wednesday and
190 Infodesk : Yep I also saw it in cash daily. Will be most interesting to see if there's any thruth in it. Certainly the loads on the the ZRH-LTN route are high.
191 SandroZRH : Me too. Quite amusing seeing how they said ZRH was too expensive and to be neglected when they left last time. And besides, I really don't understand
192 Post contains links and images RJ100 : Transaero's scheduled flights are now confirmed and available on their website: DME-BSL UN 365 09:45 11:25 03:40 Boeing 737-500 BSL-DME UN 366 12:25 1
193 SandroZRH : LX has one major advantage over U2 when it comes to ZRH: They have a massive feed, lots of connecting traffic, while U2 doesn't. That means, U2 will h
194 Glidepath73 : Sorry guys to ask, but when will the "Plafonierungsinitiative" take place? Let's all hope the swiss public will do the right decision! After all the g
195 Post contains links FelixZRH : November 25th. See: http://www.wahlen.zh.ch/abstimmungen/2007_11_25/index.php (in German) Let's see what happens Felix
196 ZRH : I really hope for a NO. But there is something funny about this intiative which nobody mentioned yet. Actually we (in the Canton of Zurich) are votin
197 FelixZRH : Good you mention that. When I was looking for the link for Patrick (see post #195) I first was surfing the swiss governmental pages (http://www.admin
198 Post contains links and images RJ100 : Air Berlin increases BSL-PMI from 3/7 to 6/7 with summer schedule (more news to come). View Large View MediumPhoto © Snorre - VAP Lufthansa adds
199 Post contains images SandroZRH : Wow that's a neat combination of props. If i were you I'd hop on one of those flights just to get the Dash8-Q400 and the ATR on the same trip. The -Q
200 Post contains images RJ100 : Even better that some flights are operated by Air Dolomiti, there's nothing better than to skip a few glasses of Italian red wine during a short prop
201 Glidepath73 : Thanks Guys for the information an the link regarding the voting. Depending on the voting result, we might get a "hot" winter here in ZRH and Switzerl
202 Post contains links and images Helvknight : Just saw this, I'm surprised there's nothing here about it. A light aircraft came down in the Genfersee today, unfortunately both occupants died. RIP
203 ZRH : Why? I don't want to be cynical. Of course it is very sad for the victims and their families but not every small accident is worth to be mentioned. D
204 Post contains links ZRH : I found this link to an article in another thread ( Kingfisher's Mega Plans ). http://www.livemint.com/2007/11/0223...ingfisher-readies-mega-overse.ht
205 Sr176 : Soon means not before 2009 in this case. Definitely we will see an Indian carrier sooner or later in ZRH.
206 LXA340 : I think over the next 2 years Swiss should use the opportunity and open up 1-2 additional routes to India besides Delhi, eg Calcatta, Madras or Bangl
207 Post contains images ZRH : ...you of course mean besides Delhi and Bombay (or you only mentioned DEL because it is new)?
208 Post contains links ZRH : I apologize. This accident is, regarding aviation, nevertheless interesting. According to an article in the free newspaper "20minuten" it was already
209 LXA340 : yeah exactly, which brings us to 2 indian destinaions in the LX network. However I really think as the market is booking another 1-2 destinations sho
210 Helvknight : I would agree but they will have problems getting the metal unless they decide to upgrade and keep some of the newer 332s when the 333s start coming
211 LXA340 : They could keep 3-4 A332's for instance and refurbish them and keep them in a 2 class config so there will be still good capacity although the amount
212 SandroZRH : ding dong - common missassumption there. As a matter of fact, Africa is very strong on the premium traffic side and LX's Africa flights go out packed
213 HBDAN : Dear all, From Wikipedia under "Airliner" "Other aircraft in this category [commuter aircraft] are the Fairchild Metro, Jetstream 31/41, IPTN CN-235,
214 LXA340 : JNB, and CAI if you want to count it as a long haul destination. Strange why those Malabo, douala etc destinations don't go daily as it's true loads
215 Sr176 : It seems there is a lot of reasons to keep some A332. - increase presence in Westafrica - open another Indian destination - open another US Eastcoast
216 Sr176 : Any news from the once discussed flights out of ZRH to - Timisoara by Carpatair - Maribor by Adria - Talinn by Estonian ?
217 SandroZRH : That one's a mystery. The route was even announced on their website, but nothing has happened ever since.
218 RJ100 : Air Berlin is officially basing a second aircraft in BSL for the summer period (now 1 A-320 and 1 737-800), destinations will be Palma (6x weekly), Dj
219 HECA : F class on the A340 flights to CAI can be packed! F class on LX is very popular, as it is the only morning/early afternoon flight from Europe offerin
220 Infodesk : I'm afraid I've already deleted the e-mail, but this morning I read an interview with one of easyJet Switzerland's bosses, saying they wanted to see
221 RJ100 : Thank you Infodesk. Im sure they are serious about it. For example they reduce fleet size in Dortmund from 4 to 3 because of the night curfew and beca
222 LXA340 : Is Emirates still using their A345's on a regular basis to ZRH or have they downgraded capacity on their 2 daily flights by mainly using A332s?
223 SandroZRH : Still A345s for the afternoon flight, I see them fly over on a daily basis. Don't know about the evening flight.
224 717fan : They also use the A345 on some days for the midday flight. Don't know on which days. I read somewhere that they are planning to use the 345 on all fl
225 LXA340 : EK really doesn't seem to make use of their A345's on their ultra long hauls. Wouldn't it me moe economically efficient to use A343's than A345's on
226 SandroZRH : I was talking about the midday flight, that one has been an A345 for ages now. I think you are talking about the evenign flight, and indeed they have
227 Infodesk : Maybe of interest to you spotters - yesterday's Belair flight to Punta Cana was eventually cancelled for technical reasons. It will be departing today
228 Post contains images SandroZRH : hah, I just caught it on approach by coincidence. It's LTU's A332 in their new livery, arrived from MUC. Looks quite neat in person! Looks like the A
229 Helvknight : Yes I saw it as well (I'm airside waiting for the LH FRA flight) and it looks very nice indeed.
230 Sr176 : Back to the EK flights, recently it happend quite often that they showed up twice a day with A332. Would love to see a 777.
231 SandroZRH : And indeed that'll also happen today.
232 Post contains links OA260 : For all you LX fans and mileage runners check out the link below ::::: Special J class fares from Dublin http://booking.swiss.com/web/bba.htm?Market=I
233 Post contains images SandroZRH : Very nice indeed, I spent the better part of an hour checking for fares + flights, and I'm tempted to go for it. The best thing is that there's a lot
234 OA260 : No probs . Its a great offer by my favourite airline. I love the SKG flights because you get 6 hours transit time and enough to go into Zurich for 3
235 Post contains links Aviationmaster : http://www.christkindlimarkt.ch/ It's from the 23rd of November till the 24th of December.
236 Post contains images SandroZRH : what dates are you flying to ATH and SKG? I might seriously consider doing one of th etwo aswell, and if i can't persuade my friend to come with me,
237 Post contains images ZRH : The Christmas market at Zurich HB (not HBF ) opens at November 23 and lasts till December 24. Monday to Friday from 11:00 - 21:00, Saturday, Sunday 1
238 OA260 : Thats brilliant, cant wait to see it . Loved it last year.
239 Post contains images OA260 : Ive got a few planned. PM me for dates.
240 Post contains images RJ100 : KLM will give its comeback to Basel in next summer timetable. The airline has a long tradition in Basel. It was the first foreign airline that readded
241 Post contains images SwissA330 : Too bad I already planned my mileage runs And my weekends for that matter.. Would have loved to go along too... Going to Paris twice and Toronto, no
242 Viasa : The former Turkish Airlines / Aer Lingus / Swissair A320-214 (msn 553 and 559) are now in ZRH. Registrations would be HB-IJD and HB-IJE.
243 LXA340 : One of them will get a special livery aimed for the Swiss National Soccer team for the Euro 08. When will the planes be put ino service, december no?
244 Post contains images SandroZRH : I know the details but am not allowed to tell Shame! But oh well, another time eh?
245 Post contains images Raptor72 : Was on EK085 DXB-ZRH last thursday. It was scheduled to be A345 upon booking, but was downgraded to A332 those birds are lookin' really used now and
246 Post contains images LXA340 : haha.... Suprise Suprise for the rest of us Will both planes receive the recaro seating and C or D check before entering into service?
247 Post contains images SandroZRH : I'd think so. Will try to find out! Just a little update here. I just had my medical class 1 check, and I must say it was rather ehm.. "interesting"
248 Post contains images LXA340 : Good to hear, so congrats as you almost made it into the training phase no? As long as we see them in the hangar which will be good business for SRT
249 Post contains images SandroZRH : Well yeah, one last step remains and that's the interview in a week. BTW: Does anyone know which A340 operated LX41 from LAX yesterday? A fellow a.ne
250 LXA340 : good luck for the interview next week!
251 Post contains images Infodesk : Can't find anything out I'm afraid, no trace of the flight any more in the system. Lx041 that landed on Tuesday was JML, but I'm correct in thinking
252 LXA340 : I had a company vist at GVA today with my Uni, AIG (Aeroport International de Gèneve) today and we got a presentation on the entire strucure of the
253 Knightsofmalta : I think I must have missed something here. Last week I noticed twice that CO was operating its flights to ZRH with the B. 767-400. Is this since the c
254 RJ100 : Is it true that Tunis Air and Karthago Airlines are operating charter flights into Berne in next summer? Is it possible to land a fully loaded 737 or
255 717fan : Any news about the planned 3 or 4 more SQ 773 flights to ZRH from next summer on? Are they now confirmed? Any more news for Zurich for the next summer
256 SwissA330 : I thought we have to wait for the Election results for these announcements? BR, Pat
257 Post contains links ZRH : Nice figures for ZRH in October 2007. Passengers growth 8.6 % versus October 2006, movements 5.2 %: http://www.zurich-airport.com/news
258 AntonovA330 : " target=_blank>http://www.zurich-airport.com/news Sweet figures indeed. Looks like ZRH is approaching the 21million mark this year.. Really?? If so,
259 OA260 : Great to see. I will be helping to increase those figures in January and February I will be transiting in ZRH 8 times !!! Cant wait to see ZRH again
260 Post contains images LXA340 : Thanks for supporting our Hub . Let's hope ZRH will remain a hub and the zurich population will not destory it next sunday at the elections. No we ha
261 ZRH : A bit but it doesn't stay. Usually we don't have much snow in Zurich.
262 OA260 : Your welcome. Its always a pleasure to transit in ZRH and also if I have at least 4 hours I go into your lovely city. Dont make ZRH any bigger otherw
263 ZRH : Yes, but even in "normal" years we have much less snow than in NYC or Chicago for example.
264 LXA340 : The experience will even get better next year when LX will extend it's total lounge space an feature a First, Senator /Star Gold and Business Class /
265 Post contains links ZRH : The labor union of the former Crossair pilots "Swiss Pilots" is not anymore. They decided to liquidate the union. http://www.20min.ch/news/schweiz/sto
266 OA260 : That will be really nice to get into the LX Gold one. Cant wait to see it. Any photos of the new GVA lounge???
267 Post contains images AntonovA330 : I agree. I hate to see them build new 120m tall "skyscrapers". BTW, if you do visit Zurich, be advised that there is/will be quite a large constructi
268 ZRH : No worries. They only build them in former industry parts of the city where there were very ugly factories. They won't harm the city at all. The old
269 OA260 : Oh really ??? Whats happening there??? I read the Christmas Market will still be at the HB.
270 ZRH : The construction site is not in the big hall where the Christmas Market takes place. They build more underground platforms (besides 1, 2 and 21-24) a
271 SandroZRH : Excellent. One step closer to a single pilot korps for the whole fleet? Certainly would be a great step forward.
272 SwissA330 : Let's hope so... I don't think that the Swiss European Pilots will join Aeropers, or will they?? So what are they gonna do??
273 ZRH : In the "Neue Zürcher Zeitung" (NZZ) there was today (November 20th 2007, page B3) a short note that the new First Class Lounge in ZRH will open in
274 LXA340 : Ok thanks for the info. Hope really the Senator Lougne will offer a nice food selection and that the Business Lounge will keep at least the gipfeli a
275 Post contains links LXA340 : http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_sw...ss_releases/Pages/pr_20071119.aspx As of December 20th LX will move back to T4 at New York's JFK airport. Hmmm.
276 Post contains links ZRH : There is a thread about this: Swiss To Return To Terminal 4 In NY
277 Post contains links ZRH : Quoting LXA340 (Reply 275): Does anybody know if LX will get a new lounge or move back to it's old one it used to have there and offer again prpoer fo
278 LXA340 : hmmm I couldn't imagine where they would build that lounge. I gues they are refering to the normal security lines. At Terminal 4 there are seperate l
279 HBDAN : Hey! I'll be on CO ZRH-EWR in a couple of weeks, take off at 10:20am. As I will be going by train to ZRH from Lugano, wanted to ask at what time do th
280 LXA340 : I have no clue however I would recomend as a maximum maximum 60 mins prior do departure. In case no one else knows here give the CO Town or airport o
281 Sr176 : Isn't a longer checkin time required for flights to the US ?
282 SandroZRH : That's right. I would be there no later than 90mins prior to departure time. Better safe than sorry.
283 HBDAN : Thanks to everybody! Gave them a call today, they said that ideally I should be there 2.5 to 3 hours before departure. Check-in would close one hour b
284 SandroZRH : Ugh! So you won't make it even with the first train in the morning? WIll you travel up here a day prior and spend a night in a hotel?
285 Post contains links FelixZRH : Unique, which runs ZRH airport, has a new CEO. NZZ: http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/wirtsc..._zurich_airport_kern_1.588636.html (in German) Thomas Kern
286 RJ100 : According to some press conferences this week easyJet is not interested in basing aircraft in ZRH at this time. They however observe the market- and e
287 FelixZRH : Interesting news, as the also the rest of your post about U2. But how can the government of Basel lift the night ban? Isn't BSL/MLH located in France
288 RJ100 : I'm not 100% sure but I think the French don't know a night ban anyway by law (maybe im wrong but I always thought that the night ban in BSL is only f
289 Post contains images SandroZRH : Good news
290 Post contains images LXA340 : We are going to see enogh Easy Jet Planes once the maintanace contract with SRT will commence.... We don't need to exagerate there Orange is a very b
291 Post contains images RJ100 : Clickair seems to have quite a bad performance in Switzerland. Not long time ago they announced daily services to Zurich and Basel and a double daily
292 SandroZRH : Doesn't surprise me. The flight is badly timed, getting into and out of ZRH around 4pm, and a once daily flight is just totally inconvenient for such
293 Post contains images SandroZRH : Hey guys, got the result from my interview. I quote: The two remaining "Auflagen" are a second medical check, because i had a slightly too high "Leber
294 HECA : Congratulations Sandro!
295 Post contains images OA260 : Well done / Congratulations Its great news
296 Post contains images LXA340 : Congratulations
297 Post contains images Amigocharlie : Congratulations! I've been following your posts regarding the tests. I'm happy you made it! One thing about your "Leberwerte"... i know we all love be
298 Post contains images ZRH : Hey Sandro Das freut mich wirklich! Congrats. I am looking forward to flying with you .
299 YVR1968 : Anybody know what the plan is for Belair (now part of the Air Berlin group) out of ZRH next summer. In the past few years Belair flew to YVR once a we
300 Helvknight : Excellent news, Sandro. Congratulations.
301 Post contains links Helvknight : By the way for the non German speakers on a.net that stray into here here's a good explanation of the Plafonierungs initiativ to limit ZRH's growth th
302 Post contains images Infodesk : Many, many congratulations Sandro! Will you soon be flying me to MAN when they get rid of the Helvetics???? Greetings Infodesk
303 Post contains links and images HBChris : Here are the current results for the voting in the canton of Zurich (includes the results of 14% of all people allowed to vote): http://www.wahlen.zh.
304 Post contains images SandroZRH : Thanks everyone Beer? What's that? Hope so
305 Post contains images AviationMaster : Sadly, I'm not surprised to see this result. Many people like to associate Americans with stupidity, but in cases like the Plafonierungsinitiative, s
306 Post contains links Amigocharlie : According to "BLICK", the "Hopp - Schwiiz - Flieger" will be presented next Saturday in ZRH! http://www.blick.ch/fanflieger/die-erste-euro-fussballpar
307 Post contains images Helvknight : Well with 60% of the vote in it is: Plafonierunsinitiativ 36.42% Gegenvorschlag 60.95%
308 Post contains images LXA340 : That't true, so I gues we will need to live with the gegenvorschlag. Why would people harm their own economy this is really a good point you made the
309 ZRH : This is actually very good news about the Plafonierungsinitiative. 62.2 % no. Though I don't like the Gegenvorschlag either it is not too bad. Unique
310 LXLucien : Phu! I'm happy with the result, sure, could be better but as long as there are only 36% who voted against ZRH (I guess mostly the Pfannenstil and the
311 AviationMaster : I guess when it comes to today's vote, I have to admit, it could have been worse. Since I am writing my Maturarbeit about the Fluglärm problem
312 ZRH : I absolutely agree with you. I made exactly the same experiences with many people. They don't know anything how the public transportation (!) air-tra
313 Post contains links ZRH : As I said Swiss is not too unhappy with this vote: http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/dyn/news/zuerich/817030.html (in German) In my opinion most important i
314 SandroZRH : They're doing so as we speak. Mr. Mayrhuber recently sai din an interview with SF1 that LH will no longer accept LX being discriminate dby a handful
315 Post contains images LXLucien : Hi AvMaster Yeah but until now I didn't managed to find somebody more capable person in the Bundesrat, Miss Rey would be the same as Leuenberger, Mer
316 Post contains images ZRH : You mean Mrs Calmy-Rey (she is BTW a grand-mother) Of course Leuenberger is the worst. He is very "left" and always against air-traffic, motorways et
317 Post contains images LXLucien : Yeah I mean of course her, but I didn't want to write her full name, because it would have been completely wrong The best man for Berlin would be Chri
318 ZRH : I absolutely agree with you. They should have somebody in the BAZL (Bundesamt für Zivilluftfahrt) who is really capable in aviation and diplom
319 RJ100 : I seriously doubt that people like Franz, Mayrhuber etc. would do something good for our country. They might run a company but have nothing to do in p
320 B747forever : Why dont you guys start a new thread??? You have reached to 320posts. Think that it is time for the 14th dose of Swiss Aviation.
321 SandroZRH : He wouldn't do it for our country, he would do it for LX, which is part of his company. Christoph Franz has publicly stated that the restrictions hav
322 RJ100 : No doubt, but he would also be the first who would try to stop competing airlines if possible. Just look at Emirates and the current problems in Germa
323 RJ100 : One should also note that not one Bundesrat is responsibe for his actions, its always all 7 Bundesräte together who are responsible. At least that's
324 Post contains images AntonovA330 : Wasn't yesterday LX146' inaugural? Has anybody some infos about the load? BTW, I find it quite odd to call that a "Initiative für eine realistische
325 AntonovA330 : I just had a quick look at swiss.com and found the answer: "Heute um 12:36 ist der SWISS Airbus A330 „HB-IQK“ als erster SWISS Flug LX 146
326 SandroZRH : Possibly 211 paying pax, plus 16 officials and promo guests/press plus Franz?
327 AntonovA330 : Plus 2 no-shows...
328 Post contains images SandroZRH : Did i screw up my calculations?
329 ZRH : Nothing is unfair against Leuenberger. He has a total mess in the whole department which consists air-traffic, land-traffic, electronic medias (TV et
330 RJ100 : I politically do not agree with Leuenberger's views very often, but to blame him only for having another opinion IS unfair. He is one of 7 Bundesräte
331 Knightsofmalta : . No offence, Switzerland prides itself with its direct democracy. Well that's what you get. What did you expect? Seems rather like Switzerland is try
332 ZRH : I don't blame him to have an other opinion I only blame him to have a total mess in his whole department. He rather would have become a priest, a poe
333 AntonovA330 : Not really, but, as stated before, QKs capacity is 230 PAX...
334 Post contains links ZRH : For all aviation enthusiasts near Zurich: a group of people (mainly former Swissair pilots and mechanics) built a private B 737 simulator to be used b
335 ZRH : Addendum to my previous post: the simulator is located at Duebendorf Airport.
336 Post contains images SandroZRH : Very cool! The price seems reasonable aswell. MIght try that! Then again, why try it when i'll be able to do it for free in the not too distant futur
337 Helvknight : Yes i would certainly go for that, especially if they are talking about Kaitak (not on the standard pricelist) that was an awesome approach. (a frien
338 Post contains images ZRH : I think you will soon fly an A 32x simulator and the real bird.
339 ZRH : For all those who can watch Tele Zueri: in the Zueri Info today (Nov 28, always about 25 min after the hour) there is a report about the LX inaugural
340 Post contains images Infodesk : Mentioned in yesterday's Handelszeitung: Swiss has already extended the Helvetic wetlease of 3 aircraft to cover the summer 2008 timetable. Helvetic a
341 Sr176 : Does anybody know if there are still a couple of Avros on the ground only due to pilot shortage?
342 ZRH : Though I don't like the wet leases the Helvetic solution is rather good. Their F 100 are quite comfortable and the crew is friendly (I guess the serv
343 ZRH : No I don't think so. All 20 (or 19, where is the damaged from LCY?) are flying (or are even still some RJ 85 left?).
344 Post contains links ZRH : This thread has now 344 posts, that is enough. I started a new one: Swiss Aviation Thread 14 I'll ask a moderator to close this one.
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