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Embraer Announce X2 New Biz Jets @ Nbaa  
User currently offlineDougbr2006 From Brazil, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2373 times:

Embraer have announced the evaluation for two new Biz Jets between the Phenom 300 and the Legacy 600.

See the article here at FlightGlobal.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...id-size-business-jets-at-nbaa.html

If this goes ahead, it looks like Embraer will become a key player in the Biz Jet market

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User currently offlineRemcor From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

I like how Embraer builds new planes in sets of two: ERJ145+135, E170+E190, Phenom 100+300. (I know there's more derivatives in between)

It takes some gusto, I like their style.


User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2204 times:

This step now announced was what I expected for a while to come and makes complete sense. Embraer will so be able to present the complete range from the Phenom 100 up to the Lineage 1000. No other manufacturer can really do this the way Embraer will be able for:

Dassault only has large airframes
Cessna doens't go larger than the Citation X, a widebody will eventually come, but never as big as the Lineage 1000
Gulfstream serves the upper segement, has no real small one but no "BBJ Style" either
Bombardier is in a similar position as Gulfstream
Raython has a limited choice of jets and some turboprops

Anyone I forgot? I guess Embraer is on a solid track to offer an grogeous range of Business Jets very soon.

Cheers
Legacy135  Wink


User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 952 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

I'm rather partial to EMBRAER myself, I just wish I could afford one. It will be interesting to see how well their Biz Jets do a few years from now. I do hope to see a lot more of them.


EMB145 F/A, F/E, J41 F/A, F/E, because my wife clipped my wings, armchair captain
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8875 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2016 times:






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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2525 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

Quoting Legacy135 (Reply 2):
This step now announced was what I expected for a while to come and makes complete sense. Embraer will so be able to present the complete range from the Phenom 100 up to the Lineage 1000. No other manufacturer can really do this the way Embraer will be able for:

Dassault only has large airframes
Cessna doens't go larger than the Citation X, a widebody will eventually come, but never as big as the Lineage 1000
Gulfstream serves the upper segement, has no real small one but no "BBJ Style" either
Bombardier is in a similar position as Gulfstream
Raython has a limited choice of jets and some turboprops

Anyone I forgot? I guess Embraer is on a solid track to offer an grogeous range of Business Jets very soon.

Dassault - Correct
Cessna/Citation - Correct
Gulfstream - Similar to Dassault, they have a nice niche in the widebody- LR to ULR market
Bombardier - They have quite a diverse line from the CL-605 to the CL-850, as well as the ULR GLEX products, they really only need to small to mid-size
Raytheon - You're dead on...

As for Embraer they are still missing a true wide-body long haul aircraft. The Legacy isn't bad but it needs more range and a better cabin to compete with Gulftreams, Globals, etc. They need to develop a plane from scratch rather than use a derivative of the ERJ line... They'll get there though


User currently offlineMrocktor From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1668 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1948 times:

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 5):
As for Embraer they are still missing a true wide-body long haul aircraft.

Maybe like this?  Big grin


User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2525 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (6 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1918 times:

Quoting Mrocktor (Reply 6):
Maybe like this? Big grin

Well I admit at over 4,000NM it has more range than I thought, but it's stll a good 1500-2000NM sort of a G550  Smile

Quoting Corey07850 (Reply 5):
Bombardier - They have quite a diverse line from the CL-605 to the CL-850, as well as the ULR GLEX products, they really only need to small to mid-size

Somehow I comletely overlooked Learjet... From the Lear 40 to the Global, I'd say Bombardier has a plane to fit most desires.


User currently offlineAeronut From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1836 times:

I think Embraer needs to work on some branding strategy and build a reputation in business jets. Their strategy seems to be "be a player in all business jet markets" in a very short period of time. Thats great, but business jet customers are a little different than airlines and I can not imagine how they will be able to do it in the short-term.

I mean.. Gulfstream, Challenger, Learjet, Falcon... The Names Speaks for themselves..

Legacy, Phenom... No, not yet.

I am sure all the players in the market are real worried though, its only a matter of time.


User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1792 times:
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Quoting Aeronut (Reply 8):
No, not yet.

I see quite a few, matter of fact a whole bunch, come through the Embraer mx hangars here at BNA. I wouldn't say they are a "No, not yet" type of company just yet for biz jets. From all outward apperances, they are on track to make a statement in the biz jet market.

Some of the Legacies I have seen make some of the G550's look like hang gliders. But, of course, that's totally dependant on the client who purchases them. I have also seen the opposite.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineBok269 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 4):

That flight deck looks great. THe yoke looks to be improved as far as the aileron point of rotation goes. Can't wait to see these planes.



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