Teej13 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 486 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2948 times:
Hi folks - quick question. Just got back from a trip across the U.S., flying two legs each way on AA - through DFW there and ORD on the way back. Equipment was 738, 752 and MD-80. Of those, the MD-80 felt the most comfortable, followed by the 752 and then the 738 (all things being reasonably equal, like wind conditions, etc). All were cramped, uncomfortable experiences, but par for the course - seat pitch & width in line with most airlines in North America.
Anyways, point being, I can understand why AA isn't in a hurry to replace those workhorse a/c - the Super 80s, and the 752s (w/o winglets, btw). They're smooth-riding and do the job well (of all the planes on the trip, it was the 738 that had a mechanical problem that lead to a delay..). That said, where does AA sit with replacing these in the fleet? Has anything been announced, or are we still in the rumour stage of things?
FlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2898 times:
You found an AA 757 to be nicer to ride in than one of their 737-800s? that's surprising. I think 737-800 has some of the most comfortable seats and one of the nicest cabins of any US domestic aircraft. I wouldn't mind more leg room, but that's always the case. Almost all of their 757-200s I've been on are pretty worn and in sore shape (interior wise). As for the MD-80s, no IFE, but great work horse airplanes. The thing is that 737-800 burns less fuel, flies further, and carries a few more pax to boot.
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Qqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2312 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2729 times:
The only thing we know for sure is AA has moved up orders for nine Boeing 738s to be delivered in early 2009. Those are the only deliveries planned for this moment. AA has a total of 47 738s and seven 772s on order, but those have been deferred until 2013-2014. AA recently moved up nine of those 738s for the 2009 delivery.
AA is currently in the process up upgrading/updating nearly its entire fleet. The 772s are getting new j-class seats and digital IFE, the 763s are nearly done getting they're new j-class seats. The 762s are about to get new interiors including new F and J class seats. The 757s will under-go a complete makeover next year. The MD-80s are getting new aft galleys and four add'l coach seats. The 738s are the only a/c not slated for changes, and they only account for 77 of AA's 662 a/c.
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Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2647 times:
While the 737 and MD-80 don't have the legroom that they did with MRTC, they still have the nicest coach seats in domestic service. The adjustable headrests make those seats very comfortable, particularly for sleeping.
As for replacing airplanes, AA has habit of waiting until its contracts are in order before making big orders. When AA signed its 20-year agreement with Boeing in the late 90s, it was only after substantial negotiations with the pilots. Even then, the deal wasn't finalized until the pilots approved a new contract.
Since APA elected new officers, talks have been suspended until next month. They will probably be contentious, and management isn't about to commit to new airplanes until it has an idea of how much its labor costs will be.
The other issue for AA is the fact that Boeing will at some time announce a replacement for the 737NG series. AA has to replace more than 300 MD-80s, and the oldest 757s are coming up on 20 years of serivce. Why commit to a replacement plane that could replaced with an even better plane in a few years? My guess is that AA will replace some of its oldest MD-80s with 737-800s, but the bulk of the fleet will be replaced with the 737NG successor.
Teej13 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2046 times:
I thought it raised an interesting point, which, as travellers, we may care more about - can an aircraft, such as the MD-80 or 757, with brand new interiors and IFE, be as comfortable, or more, than a brand new 737NG, for instance? The planespotter in me loves nothing more than to see the latest & greatest, but to the average traveller, is there a stronger perception of the quality of the interior of the a/c being representative of the quality of the a/c overall?
We all know the reasons why airlines construct fleets the way they do - fuel efficiency, cost/seat mile, commonality, listening to the A vs. B fights on A.net, etc, but I'd be interested to know what the cost/benefit benchmark is for just overhauling some of these workhorses to be better customer experiences, vs. just selling/scrapping them for something fresh off the line in Everett or Toulouse.