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PIA To Reduce New York Frequency  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

PIA will downgrade Pakistan-JFK to twice weekly from current three starting with winter schedule from 28 October.

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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4755 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3805 times:

yeah its true...flights are on Saturday and Sunday only...both flights will be flown using a B 773ER.

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17052 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

Think this is only for the winter timetable. Think they will have 3 weekly in the summers at least.


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User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3753 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 2):
Think this is only for the winter timetable. Think they will have 3 weekly in the summers at least.

Given the sizable number of Pakistanis within a tri-state area, why is PIA only offering 3x weekly to JFK? It should be easily daily, I think. It would behoove them to start service to EWR as well.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17052 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3747 times:

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 3):
Given the sizable number of Pakistanis within a tri-state area, why is PIA only offering 3x weekly to JFK? It should be easily daily, I think. It would behoove them to start service to EWR as well.

So you mean that PIA should serve both EWR and JFK??? Dont think that is good for PIA, first they should expand the frequency to JFK.



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User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 4):
So you mean that PIA should serve both EWR and JFK??? Dont think that is good for PIA, first they should expand the frequency to JFK.

Yes, the goal is to eventually serve both EWR and JFK. And why not? Air India does it. Jet Airways do it. And while your at it, why not go after some of the Indian market as well since PIA serves both DEL and BOM too.



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User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3599 times:

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 3):
Given the sizable number of Pakistanis within a tri-state area, why is PIA only offering 3x weekly to JFK? It should be easily daily, I think. It would behoove them to start service to EWR as well.

Some of their older aircraft have been banned from operating in the EU, and don't have the legs for PK-USA nonstop.

Also, with EK and QR stepping up service, and US carriers embracing ULH from USA to the middle east, the competitive landscape is changing, to PK's detriment.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 5):
Yes, the goal is to eventually serve both EWR and JFK. And why not? Air India does it. Jet Airways do it. And while your at it, why not go after some of the Indian market as well since PIA serves both DEL and BOM too.

I would imagine eventually is the word. I would have thought PIA would need to up a daily frequency to JFK before considering EWR. It tends to the be the airlines with multiple daily flights that serve both JFK and EWR for obvious reasons. Probably LOT is the smallest airline with a split operation



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24912 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Quoting N77014 (Reply 6):
Some of their older aircraft have been banned from operating in the EU, and don't have the legs for PK-USA nonstop.

Also, the US govt won't allow PIA to fly nonstop using their 772LRs anyway, due to some security reasons?
Canadians allow them to do nonstop though...



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4755 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

It is a well known fact that PIA has been losing money on its JFK route for many years now and the situation is bound to get even worse with the expansion of EK, EY and QR on the U.S. East Coast. The U.S. East Coast-PAK market is much bigger than the YYZ-PAK market and yet the latter has more weekly flights than the former!

Even if PIA needs to reduce JFK to twice a week services, it is unheard of to fly a route twice a week one day after another in the way PIA is doing at JFK from Oct i.e. SAT & SUN.

In order to control the financial bloodshed that its suffering, it might be wise for PIA to completely withdraw from USA altogether rather than continue to bleed $$$ flying this route for prestige purposes.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2778 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 9):
it might be wise for PIA to completely withdraw from USA altogether rather than continue to bleed $$$ flying this route for prestige purposes.

Looks like thats where they are heading as had been rumored a while back.

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 3):
Given the sizable number of Pakistanis within a tri-state area, why is PIA only offering 3x weekly to JFK? It should be easily daily,

Once upon a time PK operated atleast eight times weekly to JFK all 747.


User currently offlineBigTom From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2006, 597 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2765 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 10):

Once upon a time PK operated atleast eight times weekly to JFK all 747.

Yeah, sad that things have panned out the way they have now, there is a huge market out there, but increasingly being gobbled up by the ME carriers.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2736 times:

KHI-DXB also down to once a day from thrice daily.

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4755 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2715 times:

It would be more lucurative for PIA to get a good trans-atlantic SPA deal with AA, UA, VS, DL & CO out of LHR, MAN & BHX respectively for their North American passengers by flying them from PAK to UK and then feed them to these carriers via the UK to USA.

In this manner, they will be offering a convenient ONE STOP product from all major USA cities via UK to all 3 major Pakistani cities on a DAILY BASIS which is much better than flying twice a week KHI-LHE/ISB-MAN-JFK on Sat & Sun !!!

[Edited 2007-09-26 19:05:48]

User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2681 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 13):
It would be more lucurative for PIA to get a good trans-atlantic SPA deal with AA, UA, VS, DL & CO out of LHR

Did so with VS in 1999 till 2001 ended due to Sep 11 drama.


User currently offlineBigTom From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2006, 597 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 2678 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 12):
KHI-DXB also down to once a day from thrice daily.

EK seems to have taken over as the de facto flag carrier.


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

whats happeing with those 77L?
Are they being put into good use?

looks like PIA should sell them (to DL or CO) and get 772er or more 773er instead.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

77L are only being used to Toronto, previously they also operated to JFK via MAN.

User currently offlineEYFlyer88 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2504 times:

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 5):
And while your at it, why not go after some of the Indian market as well since PIA serves both DEL and BOM too.

Who would fly PK from JFK to anywhere in India when they have the European carriers, Gulf Carriers and Direct Carriers. Plus the layover time in KHI would be long for sure. PK is mainly O&D traffic, not connecting traffic.



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