Wolflair From Mexico, joined Sep 2007, 106 posts, RR: 0 Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 27831 times:
According to several mexican newspapers, G-II reg. N987SA went down this morning in Yucatan, Mexico, about 20 nm from MID.
It has been reported the plane was carrying 3.2 tons of cocaine. Mexican Air Force EMB-145MP detected the G-II coming from the south (reportedly from Colombia).
Khobar From United States, joined Mar 2006, 2193 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 27630 times:
Quoting Xtoler (Reply 5): With the right amount of cold hard cash money, you can pretty much accomplish anything. Now getting away with it is another story.
I often wonder why these people don't take the first $200 million and just retire, like everyone else.
Normal, rational people would do that, but it's all about the greed. Plus, I'm thinking it's hard to get out of that business, unless you went into hiding somewhere in the south Pacific. Do you remember that big American drug smuggler back in the late '70s, early '80s? His last name was Jung. He tried to get out too, but wound up doing it again anyway, and if he's not dead yet, I'm pretty sure he's still in jail.
I think I'll keep on earning my living the old fashioned way and keep on with my job and hope to score big on the Powerball.
EMB145 F/A, F/E, J41 F/A, F/E, because my wife clipped my wings, armchair captain
Wolflair From Mexico, joined Sep 2007, 106 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 27405 times:
Quoting RicciPettit (Reply 3): How on Earth did customs/airport officials not notice anything!? Either that or some kind of blind eye was turned.
Many drug transporting planes leave from clandestine runways in the jungle (mostly in guerrilla controlled areas). No need for customs. All drugdealers need is information on when and where will air patrol a/c will be (either near Colombia or Mexico).
A few weeks ago, a BAC-1-11 landed in CUN due to an "emergency" (flightplan was from somewhere in Venezuela to MID). At the far end of the rwy, the airplane shut down their lights, opened the door and dumped some cargo. Somebody noticed it and the police went to the end of the rwy. At the time, some pick up trucks had already left the airport's perimeter with the cargo. Pilots were arrested and the a/c secured. Traces of drugs were found on board.
Quoting 777STL (Reply 1): Was it shot down or did it go down on its own?
No information on that. Authorities are quite tight lipped at the moment (according to the news). Some people heard in their scanners in MID something about the incident (http://www.fsmex.com/foros/viewtopic.php?t=21274&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 in spanish only!)
In summary, an EMB145MP returned to MID. The ATC requested information and pilot in the EMB said:
- The G-II was coming from Colombia to Cancun.
- It was intercepted by the Mexican Air Force near Cancun (no information reg. the intercepting aircraft, probably a PC-7)
- The plane tried to land in the jungle (possible a clandestine runway) but had to make a go around.
- On a second attempt the plane went down. Possibly it ran out of fuel because there was no fire (pictures confirm this).
- At the time of this communication the Mexican Army and Air Force had not found the crash site.
D328 From United States, joined Jul 2007, 276 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 27235 times:
Quoting Xtoler (Reply 7): Do you remember that big American drug smuggler back in the late '70s, early '80s? His last name was Jung. He tried to get out too, but wound up doing it again anyway, and if he's not dead yet, I'm pretty sure he's still in jail.
There is a movie called Blow that is about him, he's played by Johnny Depp and Penelope Cruz is in it also. Good movie. They stole a Cessna in the movie, landing was great, as in bouncing....He is in jail till 2014 I believe.
LASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2067 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 27121 times:
Quoting D328 (Reply 9):
There is a movie called Blow that is about him, he's played by Johnny Depp and Penelope Cruz is in it also. Good movie. They stole a Cessna in the movie, landing was great, as in bouncing....He is in jail till 2014 I believe.
i thought he died in jail? or was it that his daughter never came to visit him..?
Bennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 4452 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 27052 times:
Juventus From United States, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 26766 times:
I'm glad the Mexican Air Force finally has the technology to detect this. They need a few more of those Embraer-recon airplanes to cover the whole area.
LASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2067 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 26215 times:
Quoting Juventus (Reply 15): I'm glad the Mexican Air Force finally has the technology to detect this. They need a few more of those Embraer-recon airplanes to cover the whole area.
which brings another question to my mind, how do they detect something like this where they know they have drugs on the plane?
YVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 783 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 26045 times:
Quoting Wolflair (Reply 8): Pilots were arrested and the a/c secured
Hope that doesnt mean the end of the aircraft - airworthy 111's are a rarity now and I know a lot of these aircraft just get broken up, I remember that happened to at least 2 Caravelle's when there were only about 10 or less still flying.
Quoting Wolflair (Reply 8): The plane tried to land in the jungle (possible a clandestine runway)
I cant imagine the GII or 111 being ideal aircraft for such operations - in this case getting into the airstrip was obviously hard (he didnt make it) but id imagine getting out would be even harder, certainly when they are overloaded like this GII was.
BlueSkys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 25751 times:
Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 16): which brings another question to my mind, how do they detect something like this where they know they have drugs on the plane?
Good Question! What if it is a regular flight that was forced down?
BTW.... 200 million dollars (probably street value though) with one flight, I wonder what the pilots are getting paid.
ScrubbsYWG From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 1196 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 25470 times:
Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 18): BTW.... 200 million dollars (probably street value though) with one flight, I wonder what the pilots are getting paid.
i used to work with a guy that got busted for trying to smuggle drugs out of ecuador in a briefcase. Not a pilot, but i dont think he would do it, or anything like it, again for any amount of money. The stuff he went through in the prison down there in ecuador is some crazy stuff.
HangarRat From United States, joined Jul 2005, 573 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 24109 times:
Quoting Juventus (Reply 15): I'm glad the Mexican Air Force finally has the technology to detect this. They need a few more of those Embraer-recon airplanes to cover the whole area.
You'd think maybe the US of A could throw a few bucks that way instead of paying for drones to seek out a shadowy villian of 9/11 or a 12-foot fence along the border. If we worked with Mexico the same way we'd worked with Canada on the DEW line, we might have managed to keep the drug trade at a minimum in the 1980s.
I think it's a twin Cessna or something over Columbia and he's running for the border. He only has a few miles to go but he gets lit up by a Tucano. Chilling stuff.
BP1 From United States, joined Aug 2007, 405 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21408 times:
The aircraft is registered to:
Donna Blue Aircraft Inc.
Coconut Creek, FL
And since 1980 the plane was operated by Owens Illinois then sold to AGI Holiding Corp and then sold to S/A Holdings LLC and finally sold to Donna Blue Aircraft Inc.
BP1
"First To Fly The A-380" / 26 October 2007 SYD-SIN Inaugural
HowSwedeitis From Sweden, joined Jul 2007, 579 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21180 times:
Quoting Khobar (Reply 6): I often wonder why these people don't take the first $200 million and just retire, like everyone else.
There is a GREAT movie called "The Layer Cake." It depicts a high-end London based cocaine dealer who plans on a nice cushy retirement. The "Boss" tells him, "You know why you cant retire? Because you make too much money... for people like me..." I was chilled when I heard that; because it makes such perfect sense.
Quoting Wolflair (Reply 8): It was intercepted by the Mexican Air Force near Cancun (no information reg. the intercepting aircraft, probably a PC-7
I am glad to see the Mexican authorities taking more action against drug runners.
Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 16): which brings another question to my mind, how do they detect something like this where they know they have drugs on the plane?
GOOD intelligence I bet. Man, how scary would that be? A mole in a Colombian cartel... *Shudder.*
Heja Sverige!!
26 Oly720man: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N987SA/history Last (recorded) flight to Cancun on 18th Sept. Odd that in its flight history it's listed as a G2 or
28 RFields5421: Usually these aircraft are flying without transponders, they may be flying at 1,000 ft or lower across the ocean to make them harder to spot on radar
29 JBirdAV8r: Nothing out of the ordinary. It lists whatever aircraft type was punched into the flight plan. Sometimes hapless briefers make mistakes (G2 instead o
30 Warowl40: I didn't think G2's had winglets??? Modification?
31 BMIFlyer: I know the plane crashed, but I have to say "excellent work" to the authorities for this one. More cocaine off the streets Lee
32 FlyHoss: The G II with winglets is probably a G IIB. IIRC, it's an aftermarket mod the came into existence after the G III was put into production. Also, IIRC
33 BlueSkys: How are we allowed to "Shoot to Kill" ??? there is no conviction yet the pilot receives a death sentence? What if he was carrying some refugees, did
34 Citation750x: Hi Guys, according to the photo on the main post, and the N987SA, the colors used match both the crashed plane and the A.net dB picture. I am not sure
35 RobK: Huh? What has XB-KBE got to do with N987SA, the plane that crashed? XB-KBE was brought into the conversation by some random, for no apparent reason o
36 Gatorman96: XB-KCE is a BAC 111. The poster was referring to a different story that had to do with a separate drug bust with the BAC 111
37 Citation750x: You are right, it had nothing to do with the crashed drug run. It is confusing sometimes when people talk about an aircraft that has nothing to do wi
38 DeltaGuy: The designation for the GII is a G1159, so I guess he left one "1" off there. Some came from the factory with wing tip fuel tanks, like an old Lear.
39 Bennett123: Perhaps I have blurred things. The BAC 111 (XB-KCE) is a separate but related issue arising from reply 8. Please can you remove reply 24.
40 RoseFlyer: If you evade a plane that is intercepting you, then you run the risk of getting shot down or forced down. I think it is fair and reasonable. It's not
41 Wolflair: Just making things clear: - This post refers to N987SA crashing near MID as part of a drugs bust. - Reportedly there were 4 souls on board. 2 were arr
42 RFields5421: All the pilot has to do is land the plane as requested. It has happened in the past many times over the US and will happen again in the future. Under
43 AM744: Maybe because the suspect aircraft refuses to ID and there is no flight plan registered.
44 Miamix707: Interestingly something only airplane geeks would notice but during a scene supposedly while in Central America (sometime in the 70s or 80s) there's
46 MIAMIx707: yes that's the BAC, I actually have shots of it lol.. so what?
47 Bennett123: I just got my hand smacked by the moderators for straying off topic.
48 Xtoler: I can only half agree with you on that. I do think the war on drugs is pretty much a waste of time and resources. Unfortunately trying to improve one
49 A340Spotter: Small addition to add regarding N987SA. This had the -SP conversion instead of the -B modification. The main visual difference with the two is that t
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