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User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1003 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7015 times:

It goes without saying that the bulk of intercontinental flights are going to be to airports in major cities like JFK, EWR, ORD, and LAX, but I'm curious how many smaller cities have maybe one or two such flights. I specifically said intercontinental rather than international because I wanted to exclude US airports whose only international service is to Mexico or Canada. I'm thinking of things like RDU and it's one daily London flight. I remember my first time flying out of RDU, and seeing that 777 parked at the gate completely dwarfing all the MD-80s and RJs parked at Terminal C.

[Edited 2007-09-24 23:00:29]

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User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2259 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7002 times:

NCL to DXB is a small regional airport with its first scheduled intercontinental route.

User currently offlineAfitch7881 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6979 times:

Hartford BDL-


DL- LAX
US- PHX
F9- DEN
WN- LAS
NW- AMS


In recent years-

AA- LAX
UA- SFO, DEN
HP- LAS
DL- LAS, SLC


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8537 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6980 times:
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CHC in New Zealand is a city of between 300 000 to 400 000 people ( depending on which source and definition you take ) and it has daily direct nonstop flights to SIN ( 4536 nm according to Great Circle Mapper ) and a daily onestop CHC-SYD-DXB ( total 7650 nm according to the same source )


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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4941 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6950 times:

Quoting Afitch7881 (Reply 2):
Hartford BDL-


DL- LAX
US- PHX
F9- DEN
WN- LAS
NW- AMS


In recent years-

AA- LAX
UA- SFO, DEN
HP- LAS
DL- LAS, SLC

Those are transcons, not intercontinental flights.   Note that BDL does have an AMS flight on NW, so it still qualifies in this list.

[Edited 2007-09-24 23:01:31]


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User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6939 times:

I think there was a ORF-FRA/FRF rounting at one point in time and I think Delta did it. When I was in Germany, a buddy of mine was talking about flying commercial straight from FRA into ORF. If it was just a MAC flight or chartered, never mind, it doesn't count.


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User currently offlineAfitch7881 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 815 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

Duh, I knew that, I am an idiot!

User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4941 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

Quoting Xtoler (Reply 5):
I think there was a ORF-FRA/FRF rounting at one point in time and I think Delta did it. When I was in Germany, a buddy of mine was talking about flying commercial straight from FRA into ORF. If it was just a MAC flight or chartered, never mind, it doesn't count.

ORF had/has a flight to England this year. It was for the 400th celebration of the founding of Jamestown.



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User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1003 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6923 times:

Quoting Afitch7881 (Reply 2):
Hartford BDL-


DL- LAX
US- PHX
F9- DEN
WN- LAS
NW- AMS

BDL-AMS is a good example, but the rest of those are transcontentintal, not intercontental. What I'm looking for are flights from one continent to another continent.


User currently offlineBSBIsland From Brazil, joined Jul 2005, 376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6857 times:

I would say Natal in Brazil. There are several cities in Brazil with much more air traffic and doesnt get intercontinental service. TAP flies LIS-NAT 4 or 5 weekly with A310.

User currently offlineVatveng From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 950 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6823 times:

Quoting San747 (Reply 7):
ORF had/has a flight to England this year. It was for the 400th celebration of the founding of Jamestown.

That never actually happened. It was canceled before it started (due to lack of sales) and the few tickets that were sold were refunded.



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User currently offlineShuggie From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6812 times:

EDI has twice daily to EWR (CO) and once daily to ATL (DL), the ATL service finishes shortly and a JFK route replaces it in the spring. There are no other flights beyond mainland Europe (there may be a couple of charter flights to northern Africa but nothing major).

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6772 times:

  • SLC will soon have CDG.
  • CLE has LGW and soon CDG.
  • TPA isn't exactly a small market, but they have LGW.
  • FLL isn't small either, though they're unique in that none of their many intercons are longhauls.

  • User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
    Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6750 times:

    Quoting Shuggie (Reply 11):
    EDI has twice daily to EWR (CO) and once daily to ATL (DL), the ATL service finishes shortly and a JFK route replaces it in the spring. There are no other flights beyond mainland Europe (there may be a couple of charter flights to northern Africa but nothing major).

    Don't forget seasonal flights to YHM and YYZ on GSM and TS respectively, plus GSM to SSH. Being the busiest airport in Scotland I wouldn't call EDI and particularly small market. With reference to Scotland, ABZ with it's single flight to IAH starting next year would be a more appropriate example.


    User currently offlineMCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 539 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6715 times:

    CO operates EWR-BRS-EWR on a B752, the only true, scheduled intercontinental service IMO out of BRS.

    User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1185 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6711 times:

    CVG is another smaller market with intercontinental flights, although it is Delta's #2 hub (mostly an RJ hub). Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky Intl. Airport has 5 transatlantic flights: 1X daily 763 to LGW, CDG, FRA and AMS (operated on a seasonal basis, during the summer) in addition to a daily 764 to FCO. They used to have even more TATL service: a 743 to BRU, AF A343 to CDG, and DL to ZRH (codeshared w/ LX). And I may have forgotten a few. Pretty darn good for a city of about 350,000 people and about 2 million in the metro area.
    SLC: (about 180,000 in city, 1.3 million in metro) ,another DL hub, will soon have service to CDG .
    CLT: (about 600,000 in city, 1.5 million in metro) has service on US A330's to LGW and FRA, and service on a LH A330 to MUC.
    MEM: (about 600,000 in city, around 1.3 million in metro) has daily service on NW to AMS, in addition to cargo service on FX MD-11's to STN, FRA, CDG, and many 1-stops via ANC to Asia (NRT, HKG, ICN, etc.) and 1-stop via HNL to SYD.
    SDF: (similar in size to MEM, maybe a little smaller) also has intercontinental cargo service on UPS: MD-11 nonstop to CGN and 763 nonstop to STN. Also, SDF has quite a few 1-stoppers: SDF-PHL-CGN, CDG, EMA on 763's (both 763 and MD-11 to CGN via PHL), 1-stop to SYD via HNL on MD-11, and quite a few SDF-ANC-Asia (NRT, HKG, ICN, etc.) on MD-11's and 747's. In terms of commercial service, SDF is mostly RJ's except for DL MD80's/738's, AA MD80's, NW DC-9's and WN 737's.
    You never excluded cargo service, so I though I might add that too. Sorry if you only meant pax service.


    User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6669 times:

    Quoting 747fan (Reply 15):
    and DL to ZRH (codeshared w/ LX).

    Pretty sure DL codeshared with SR only, not LX, on that one.


    User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
    Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6650 times:

    At this time, HAM has:

    - DXB-HAM-JFK on EK
    - EWR-HAM on CO
    - YYZ-HAM on TS (which is summer only service and will restart next year in the summer)
    - DXB-HAM on EK Cargo


    User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32596 posts, RR: 72
    Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6618 times:

    Using the definition of "smaller" as less than around ~1.5M residents, and also including secondary airports:

    Barcelona (Venezuela) has flights to Miami.

    Barranquilla (Colombia) has flights to Miami and New York City-JFK.

    Bonaire has flights to Amsterdam.

    Cayenne has flights to Paris.

    Edmonton has flights to London Heathrow.

    Fairbanks has seasonal flights to Frankfurt.

    Fort Lauderdale has flights to Bogotá, Georgetown, Chiclayo (starting early next year), and Lima.

    Fort Myers has flights to Düsseldorf and Munich.

    Funchal, Portugal has flights to Caracas.

    Halifax has flights to London Heathrow.

    Manaus has flights to Miami and Panama City.

    Montevideo has flights to Madrid and Miami.

    Oakland has flights to Terceira, Azores.

    Ottawa has flights to London Heathrow.

    Paramaibo has flights to Amsterdam.

    Porto, Portugal has flights to Caracas, Newark, Rio de Janeiro, and São Paulo.

    Providence has flights to Ponta Delgada, Azores.

    Raleigh has flights to London Gatwick (soon to be London Heathrow).

    Riga, Latvia has flights to New York City-JFK.

    Tijuana has flights to Tokyo.

    Valencia (Venezuela) has flights to Miami.

    Venice has flights to Atlanta, New York City-JFK, and Philadelphia.

    And, in addition, a lot of African cities would fit this list.



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    User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24786 posts, RR: 22
    Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6610 times:

    YYT (population approx. 180,000) was almost certainly the smallest city in North America with scheduled service to Europe (AC's A319 to LHR) until that service ended earlier this month. YHZ isn't very big either (metro area 375,000) and it has daily AC service to LHR, and seasonal Icelandair service to KEF a few times a week.

    In the USA, I am guessing that STL and SAN are probably the largest metro areas (both around 3 million) with no scheduled intercontinental flights,and PHX is probably the largest (metro area over 4 million) with only one intercontinental service (BA to LHR).


    User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6590 times:

    Surprised Calgary hasn't been mentioned as well....

    User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1003 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6590 times:

    Quoting LTU932 (Reply 17):
    At this time, HAM has:

    Is HAM really that small of a market? It's the second largest city in Germany, with a population of over 1.7 million.


    User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1185 posts, RR: 1
    Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6573 times:

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 16):
    Pretty sure DL codeshared with SR only, not LX, on that one.

    My bad, you're right - that was back during the days of Swissair rather than Swiss Int'l. In terms of my aforemention CVG Euro routes, I forgot the former CVG-BRU on a DL 763


    User currently offlineEmptyarm From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 169 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6562 times:

    What about AGP (Málaga,Spain)-TNG (Tangiers, Morocco)?

    Ok, it's only 103 miles but it's 2 small airports in different continents...BTW served by Regional Airlines


    User currently offlineSkyjet06 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 55 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6518 times:

    I'm surprised nobody has mentioned PDX, with flights to FRA and NRT.

    25 Viscount724 : I didn't consider YYC as meeting the conditions of the original posting, i.e. a smaller city (YYC is close to 1.1 million) wth only one or two interc
    26 Tornado82 : Good guesses. SAN, STL, and PIT, in that order are the largest metro areas in the US without intercontinentals... ...Depending how you break it down.
    27 MCOflyer : MCO with FRA, DUB, and REK via SFB. Hunter
    28 LTU932 : It's small in terms of intercontinental flights. We don't get as generous amounts of intercontinental flights as other smaller markets like, e.g. DUS
    29 Yflyer : I was thinking about PDX with I started this thread, but I didn't mention it because I wasn't sure just how small the metro area was. Having just loo
    30 StarGoldLHR : I saw today on Manchester airports website a Salvador (Brazil) - Manchester route...this is a bit obscure. LOT''s Rzeszow to JFK has to be another.
    31 Adam T. : Does Air New Zealand still operate the seasonal flight between CHC and LAX?
    32 Andaman : In coming winter there will be charters also from smaller Finnish airports to Phuket (HKT) in Thailand, just counted eight airports outside the main h
    33 Airdolomiti : Correct, plus Dubai (year-round daily EK flight). With the winter timetable, VCE-JFK goes 5x/week, while PHL and (as of this year) ATL are seasonal s
    34 LTU932 : Don't you mean ANC? ANC has seasonal service by DE with a stop in Canada. FAI is I believe no longer served from FRA ever since LH Cargo stopped doin
    35 Airbazar : What exactly is a small market? I see a lot of cities listed here that have a greater population than Qatar and Abu Dhabi, or even Dubai or Singapore.
    36 Jetdeltamsy : I know that some people choose a connecting flight so that they can run out to smoke before heading across the North Atlantic or the Pacific. People
    37 Post contains images Viscount724 : Yes I forgot about the seasonal DE service FRA-YXY (Whitehorse, Yukon) which continues to ANC, and then returns nonstop ANC-FRA. Some of those flight
    38 JM017 : Actually lots of Caribbean cities with services to Europe are smaller than this: St. John's (Antigua), Bridgetown (Barbados), Fort de France (Martini
    39 Kiwiandrew : not for the moment - I would not expect to see it back before the 787-9s start arriving around 2011 ( and even then I am not sure if it will come bac
    40 Dstc47 : Knock, in Ireland has transatlantic service to the USA from OCK by FlyGlobespan but it is a village and a relatively small village at that. Shannon To
    41 UPPERDECKFAN : S3 flies TFN-CCS and UX does SCQ-CCS
    42 SANFan : Unless I somehow missed it on someone's post, LAS should qualify... unless maybe they have too many intercontinental cx (with probably VS and KE at th
    43 TransIsland : As far as small airports go (even if not all those markets are small)... TXL - DL to JFK, CO to EWR NAS - BA to LHR, First Choice to MAN KEF - Thanks
    44 NG1Fan : What about Cairns, Australia? Polulation 130,000. Flights to: -CX to HKG -JQ to KIX -JQ to Nagoya -QF to Narita -QF to SIN (via DRW) Does New Guinea c
    45 Konrad : Already mentioned here: RZE, a provincial city in Poland, population of 160.000, has scheduled seasonal (summer) service to JFK and EWR on LO/763. The
    46 Post contains links and images DavidkunzVIE : You could include all the holiday flights from Europe to northern Africa. SSH or HRG don't really have large home markets. See my TR here: VIE-FRA-YXY
    47 Adam T. : Also the CO flight to Guam. Oh okay....when did NZ stop operating the route? I seem to remember they still did it when I was in New Zealand two years
    48 Tsnamm : and CO to GUM too!
    49 StationManager : a few in Spain: ALC-BOG by AV AGP-YUL by TS TFN-CCS by S3
    50 SLCUT2777 : And keep in mind that PIT would do virtually anything to get back onto this list. Keep in mind that the Wasatch Front has only 1 major airport offeri
    51 EXTspotter : Exeter - Toronto (2 weekly) 1x weekly EXT - YYZ on Air Transat 1x weekly EXT - YHM on FlyGlobespan
    52 EXTspotter : Exeter - Toronto (2 weekly) 1x weekly EXT - YYZ on Air Transat 1x weekly EXT - YHM on FlyGlobespan Exeter is a city of only 60,000 people 100,000 live
    53 Chase : LIR has 30,000 people, and service to LON. It also has service to YYZ, LAX, IAH, DFW, MIA, ORD, CLT, ATL, EWR, MSP, but not sure if you consider Centr
    54 Albird87 : Yep We Carib Islands have the heavies coming in from Europe. Here in GCM a pop of 50,000 and we get BA from LHR (via NAS) on a 767. the 767 Dwarfs ev
    55 Post contains images PiedmontINT : This is the one of the easiest ways to tell if someone is an out-of-towner! NO ONE in NC calls the combined metroplex "Raleigh-Durham." Only weatherm
    56 Humberside : DSA-YHM on GSM (theres also long haul charters from DSA but these end at the end of the summer and arent expected to return next year)
    57 Rampart : US Census calls them "Combined Statistical Areas", so while you can break them into smaller Metropolitan Area populations, the most accurate definiti
    58 LXA340 : Stuttgart - JFK used to see flights with DL, don't know if this still is the case. Or LH flights from DUS to EWR and ORD and soon YYZ.
    59 LTU932 : I believe DL is still operating into STR, but as ATL-STR, not JFK.
    60 Viscount724 : YYC and YEG have had transatlantic service since the 1950s when the population of each was around 200,000, although in those days they were intermedi
    61 Thestooges : The seasonal DE (Condor) service from Frankfurt to Fairbanks, with a stop in Whitehorse, Yukon on the way there, is definitely a unique one. (Not sure
    62 Post contains links and images SLCUT2777 : Part of this is the British Empire heritage of Canada. What amazes some people is that YVR has MUCH more service than SEA. Something we discussed rec
    63 Viscount724 : Except, ironically, the first direct scheduled service from YVR/YEG to Europe was Canadian Pacific to AMS in 1955 (YYC was added as a stop a little l
    64 Afitch7881 : Hartford/Springfield/New Haven is larger than Raleigh/Cary/Durham. The US doesn't categorize Hartford/Springfield/New Haven as one metro but it should
    65 Falstaff : It wasn't that long ago that STL had intercontinentals. Of course that was back in the TWA days. When was the last time, if ever, for PIT and SAN?
    66 COEI2007 : Shannon town has a population of just over 10,000. Up until Open Skies, SNN had -2 daily CO flight to EWR -Daily ATL and JFK with DL -Daily PHL with U
    67 StarGoldLHR : I'm not sure which school you went to but most geographers would define the america's as North America: Canada, US, Mexico, Belize, Guatemala and oth
    68 Falstaff : When I was in school (Cherry Creek School District in suburban Denver) we learned that North America is USA, Canada, & Mexico. That was Central Ameri
    69 AirGabon : Bangui (Central African Republic) to Paris CDG, AF A332 once a week Djibouti to Paris CDG, AF 343 once a week Osaka to Noumea (New Caledonia), Air Cal
    70 ModernArt : You are off base in your assertion. Keep this region in mind in the future (its has pretty much grown together as one already (2006 estimates): 29 Sa
    71 Iaddca : Nielsen does when measuring TV markets. Comes out at around 1 million TV households, around the same as Charlotte.
    72 MAH4546 : Thanks to Open Skies, American Airlines ends service tomorrow, Air Canada is gone, and Delta's Atlanta flight is dead, too.
    73 EXAAUADL : Canada has lots: White Horse to Germany on LTU or Condor Halifax to LHR plus TS flights to number of cities YQB to CDG on TS Back in the Wardair days,
    74 COEI2007 : Plus the second daily EWR service with CO is gone already. It was operating EWR-DUB-SNN-EWR, but now goes direct to/from DUB. We will see if US comes
    75 Tornado82 : As it should be. The service only existed as a handout thanks to that goofy restrictive law. If it can't maintain itself, it shouldn't exist.
    76 Steeler83 : Before December 2004 with US. US announced that after December of 2004, the hub would be officially closed, and that meant that FRA service ceased. F
    77 SANFan : British Airways nonstop SAN-LHR ended on 10-26-03 (the n/s having started on 3-25-01.) Currently Lindbergh Field has no intercontinental service (but
    78 Post contains images Steeler83 : Lol! I would not consider myself to be the expert here... I only remember the years when such service existed; not necessarily the dates. BA launched
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